Muhammad's Sunnah
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Yes I do believe 100% that Allah infomed the prophet with things that are not in the Quran, He clearly told us that in a very general statement that was not specific to the stories of the Ghaib
that may be true, but those informations not in the Quran never got the protection of God, thus those informations are conjecturous, and we all know what God tells us about following conjecture.
peace, ex
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Peace Ahmed
Since the most common/important argument we have for the need of hadeeth is with regard to Quraan not being fully detailed about salat, can you kindly explain which hadeeth do we use to derive at 5 times Salat with 2,4,4,3,4 Rakahs and the 17 ( I am not certain whether this is more or less according to each persons belief) compulsory requirements , postures and recitals.
Also please be good enough to explain which hadeeth can we use to support any requirements not covered within compulsory acts in salat, but you may think important for salat to be accepted.
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Yes I do believe 100% that Allah infomed the prophet with things that are not in the Quran, He clearly told us that in a very general statement that was not specific to the stories of the Ghaib
that may be true, but those informations not in the Quran never got the protection of God, thus those informations are conjecturous, and we all know what God tells us about following conjecture.
peace, ex
Salam
what you are saying that every thing that is not in the Quran or not said by our God is conjecture, i.e. the whole world is fake or at least it is fake unless proven otherwise, this in effect means that I have to deploy my brain (if I have any) to find out if it is conjecture or not, in fact Allah described those who are guided, are those who listen the follow what make sense because the have brains
Those who listen to the word, then follow the best of it; those are they whom Allah has guided, and those it is who are the men of understanding.
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-> See the compelling Quran evidence that those who are guided are ? Those who listen to the word, then follow the best of it?, sure they are guided, ?those are they whom Allah has guided?, and sure those are the ones who have BRAINS ?Ulu Al Al Albab? ? and those it is who are the men of understanding.?
When Allah told us to avoid conjectures, HE NEVER TOLD US TO AVOID ALL THE CONJECTURES, rather MOST OF THE CONJECTURES, I.E, accepting minimum conjectures is allowed by Allah as long as there is a logical and irrefutable reason to consider that conjecture
O you who believe! avoid most of conjectures, for surely suspicion in some cases is a sin, and do not spy nor let some of you backbite others. Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? But you abhor it; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, surely Allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.
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-> See the advice from Allah to the believers ? ?, i.e. ? O you who believe! avoid most of conjectures?, if we should avoid ALL the conjectures then it should be stated like this ? ?, i.e. ? O you who believe! avoid conjectures?
Salam
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Peace Ahmed
Since the most common/important argument we have for the need of hadeeth is with regard to Quraan not being fully detailed about salat, can you kindly explain which hadeeth do we use to derive at 5 times Salat with 2,4,4,3,4 Rakahs and the 17 ( I am not certain whether this is more or less according to each persons belief) compulsory requirements , postures and recitals.
Also please be good enough to explain which hadeeth can we use to support any requirements not covered within compulsory acts in salat, but you may think important for salat to be accepted.
Peace bro
I'm sorry bro I don't provide hadith to teach others the religion, this is up to them on what they want to follow through whatever source of info, I can direct you to some hadith web sites that I use and you can take it from there
this is not about being kind, it is about being logical, I mean you can read the hadith then use your own brain and logic you can filter it and learn from it whatever you see best according to 3918
i only use the Quran to teach others my religion, while I'm a hadith beliver i only believe in very limited number of hadith regarding compulsory practices, other hadiths for me are nothing more than teachings and wisdom from a great man, therefore I'm not that hadith advocate nor that I studied the hadith fully, it was never my concern nor my inetension really, i only take from it what I just need and because it is my need I can't expect that my need is like the others needs, we agree trhough that the Quran is not detailing the Salat so I chose to follow what i knew about the prophet when he performed salat nothing more nothing less, I'm using him as an example to worship Allah and I believe the believers should do the same if they can
Salam
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Yes I do believe 100% that Allah infomed the prophet with things that are not in the Quran, He clearly told us that in a very general statement that was not specific to the stories of the Ghaib
that may be true, but those informations not in the Quran never got the protection of God, thus those informations are conjecturous, and we all know what God tells us about following conjecture.
peace, ex
Salam
what you are saying that every thing that is not in the Quran or not said by our God is conjecture, i.e. the whole world is fake or at least it is fake unless proven otherwise, this in effect means that I have to deploy my brain (if I have any) to find out if it is conjecture or not, in fact Allah described those who are guided, are those who listen the follow what make sense because the have brains
Those who listen to the word, then follow the best of it; those are they whom Allah has guided, and those it is who are the men of understanding.
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-> See the compelling Quran evidence that those who are guided are ? Those who listen to the word, then follow the best of it?, sure they are guided, ?those are they whom Allah has guided?, and sure those are the ones who have BRAINS ?Ulu Al Al Albab? ? and those it is who are the men of understanding.?
When Allah told us to avoid conjectures, HE NEVER TOLD US TO AVOID ALL THE CONJECTURES, rather MOST OF THE CONJECTURES, I.E, accepting minimum conjectures is allowed by Allah as long as there is a logical and irrefutable reason to consider that conjecture
O you who believe! avoid most of conjectures, for surely suspicion in some cases is a sin, and do not spy nor let some of you backbite others. Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? But you abhor it; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, surely Allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.
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-> See the advice from Allah to the believers ? ?, i.e. ? O you who believe! avoid most of conjectures?, if we should avoid ALL the conjectures then it should be stated like this ? ?, i.e. ? O you who believe! avoid conjectures?
Salam
about 4912, wouldn't you say that verse is speaking to the believers for other wordly matters besides faith?
..."avoid most of conjectures"...
conjectures overall? conjecture in faith? or conjectures in everyday life? so lets read on...."suspicion in some cases is a sin"...
so suspicion is and is not allowed it depends on each and every case,...."do not spy nor let some of you backbite others"...
from this you can easily come to the understanding that the conjecture that is being spoken of might lead to "spying" and "backbiting others" in which God tells us not to.
maybe we should just be aware of the conjecture at hand in each case? sometimes suspicion is a sin, but acting offencive becuase of it is really bad, the verse is stating worldly conjecture not conjecture in faith.
but maybe my interpretation of the verse you find conjecturous and thus you should pay no heed. ???also A B earlier on in this thread you were saying that the wisdom(al hikmah) is diferent then the Quran and "He teaches you what you don't know" is all diferent right?
please respond.
peace, ex
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Peace Bros
Even if I am pretty neutral about the Hadith issue, apart from the fact that I believe they should not be used for legislation in Shariaa as in the case of Hudud this is highly dangerous (like rajm, etc)...
There is a Hadith that tells the Prophet saying to his companions that our communities (ie the ones in the far off future after he (pbuh) died) are his brothers because we believed in him without having him present or seen him, and therefore Allah in his appreciation will reward us even if we only practice 10% of the deen that the companions were practicing...On another more personal note, the way I learnt Salat had nothing to do with hadeeth, I was taught Salat by a sunni friend, and for me to feel comfortable about it was to compare the way they are performing it in sunni mosques, and I took it from there really.
I never looked for hadith to perform Salat, however, there are several books that teach how to perform it.
Also the Quran mentions about it and it does not contradict the breakdown of it, ie standing, ruku'u, sujud, etc
Can't we just accept that Salat method is communicated by learning like language? Since it is such a central piece to the believers, I think this makes sense.
As a result, even the Hadith will not bother to communicate it as they do not bother to communicate Arabic vocabulary and Grammar...
Salam
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Peace noble n all,
I never looked for hadith to perform Salat, however, there are several books that teach how to perform it.
You may be surprised to note, not many people have looked for hadith to perform the ritual prayers either. And I'm talking the sunnis. Infact the majority don't read any of the books, at the most recite verses from quran without learning the meanings.Can't we just accept that Salat method is communicated by learning like language?
Personally I cannot accept that method. But it's interesting that you use 'language' as a metaphor in this example. Languages change with time and some languages die completely. Think about it. On a side note, your questions sounds like - can't we all just get along?Check this link out and tell me what you think of it - Chinese Whispers
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Peace Zenje
I am aware of chinese whispers
Chinese whispers only apply to word of mouth, not to physical routines, so my using language as an example was incorrect...What I find very baffling is that Salat being so central to the Faith, why then were not the way to perform it recorded?
Surely if something is so important, it ought to be recorded in minute details...Cool dude, yes we should get along )
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Peace noble.
Chinese whispers only apply to word of mouth, not to physical routines,...
I guess you didn't read the entire thread then.What I find very baffling is that Salat being so central to the Faith, why then were not the way to perform it recorded?
Surely if something is so important, it ought to be recorded in minute details...
Good questions! ) Now keep going in that direction... you may find a surprising solution, inshaAllah. -
O you who believe! avoid most of conjectures, for surely suspicion in some cases is a sin, and do not spy nor let some of you backbite others. Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? But you abhor it; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, surely Allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.
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-> See the advice from Allah to the believers ? ?, i.e. ? O you who believe! avoid most of conjectures?, if we should avoid ALL the conjectures then it should be stated like this ? ?, i.e. ? O you who believe! avoid conjectures?
SalamSalam mate
about 4912, wouldn't you say that verse is speaking to the believers for other wordly matters besides faith?
The verse is talking about conjectures in general, it was never specific to what type of conjectures, I don?t see conjectures to be classifies in groups or something, conjectures mean conjectures nothing more nothing less, any thing that you don?t have a proof for it is conjecture, for example, the Christians are following conjectures by believing that Jesus died on the cross
And their saying Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
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-> See above, a matter that is related to the faith and they are following conjectures.
..."avoid most of conjectures"...
conjectures overall? conjecture in faith? or conjectures in everyday life? so lets read on.Of course any conjecture including the ones related to faith, I showed you an example above, here is another one
Now, surely, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is Allah's; and they do not (really) follow any associates, who call on others besides Allah; they do not follow (anything) but conjectures, and they only lie.
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-> See, those who think that there is another god besides Allah ? and they do not (really) follow any associates, who call on others besides Allah?, are only following conjectures ? they do not follow (anything) but conjectures,?
..."suspicion in some cases is a sin"...
so suspicion is and is not allowed it depends on each and every case,of course some suspicious id allowed, how we can fight crimes then?, in fact what you showed above confirms that some suspicious is allowed because after the verse told us ?TO AVOID MOST CONJECTURES? it told straight after it that ?SOME OF THE CONJECRURES ARE SINS?. you would have expected the verse after saying ?avoid MOST conjectures? to say ?MOST conjectures are sins?, however it said ?SOME CONJECTURES are sins?, i.e. some conjectures are truthful but it is a matter of proving it.
...."do not spy nor let some of you backbite others"...
from this you can easily come to the understanding that the conjecture that is being spoken of might lead to "spying" and "backbiting others" in which God tells us not to.
excuse me bro, don?t interpret it as 1+1 =1 , iy does not add up bro, the verse was clear and is giving us 4 different advices
- avoid conjectures
- don?t spy on each other
- don?t ill talk others in their absence
- be careful of (your duty to) Allah
maybe we should just be aware of the conjecture at hand in each case? sometimes suspicion is a sin, but acting offencive becuase of it is really bad, the verse is stating worldly conjecture not conjecture in faith.
but maybe my interpretation of the verse you find conjecturous and thus you should pay no heed. ???of course I found your understanding conjecturous because I showed a couple of verses related to matters of faith and Allah described the flawed human action as following conjectures and I have more exmples if you wish to see it
Salam
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-> Very clear, Mohammad was given 3 things from Allah
- Al Kitab, (The Quran), ? ?, ?Allah has revealed to you the Book?
- Al Hikmah, (The wisdom), ? ?, ?and the wisdom?
- Other things that Mohammad did not know, ? ?, ?and He has taught you what you did not know?
Now, Mohammad mission was to deliver those 3 things, let?s see how Allah told us about it as well
A similar (favour have ye already received) in that We have sent among you a Messenger of your own, rehearsing to you Our Signs, and sanctifying you, and instructing you in Scripture and Wisdom, and teaches you that which you did not know
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-> Clear as light from 2151, Allah sent His prophet to do the followings
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? ?, ?rehearsing to you Our Signs?
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? ?, ?and sanctifying you?
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? ?, ?and instructing you in Scripture and Wisdom?, obviously we can see that instructing us in the Scripture is something else other than teaching us the wisdom., these are the first two items sent to Mohammad from Allah as we read in 4113
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? ?, ?and teaches you that which you did not know?, and here is the third item given to Mohammad from Allah and consequently he delivered it to us and that thing should cover anything that is not detailed in the Quran or Hikmah like the Salat for example.
Those who conjecture that Mohammad mission was to only deliver the Quran need to respond to the above verses as well the following one
And We have not revealed to you the Book except that you may make clear to them (explain) that about which they differ, and (as) a guidance and a mercy for a people who believe.
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-> Above we read that Allah is telling us, Mohammad had another mission in addition to ?deliver the book?, and it is clearly seen in the Arabic verse ? ?, ie. ?Except to Explain to them?, the Ta in the word ? ?, pronounced as ?Le Tobbain? is referring to the prophet and NOT THE QURAN, if it is referring to the Quran then it must be a Ya like this ?? , pronounced ?Le Yobbain?, an example for the word Yobbain with a Ya is seen in the following verse
Allah desires to explain to you, and to guide you into the ways of those before you, and to turn to you (mercifully), and Allah is Knowing, Wise.?
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-> See the Ya instead of the Ta?, ? ?
From the above no one can deny that Allah said to His prophet that He sent the Quran to him to explain to us what we differ and surely the Quran is one of the things that believers will differ in it, ? ?, therefore and clearly the prophet had another mission in addition to the delivery of the Quran, and because the explanation was ASSOCIATED with the Quran only as seen from 1664, then we can use the Quran to qualify what we know about the hadith with ease. In fact one of the hadith that I read confirms that simple fact, that the Quran qualifies the hadith, this is common sense that the words of the Creator should qualify the words of His creatures. It won?t make any sense if taken the other way around.
Finally I brought verse 426 deliberately to show everyone that those who denies the traditions ?The Sunnah? of the believers before us, are opposing what Allah wants for us, let?s walkthrough 426
-> The verse is telling us that Allah wants 3 things to happen to us by Him- ? ?, ?to explain to you?
- ? ?, ?and to guide you into the ways of those before you?, see, Allah wants to guide us to ?Sunan Al Zina Min Kablikum?, CAN YOU READ THE WORD ?SUNAN??
- ? ?, ?and to turn to you (mercifully)?
No one can refute point 2 above that clearly mentions the word Sunnah in plural form and this is what Allah is guiding us to and specifically the Sunnah of the people before us.
Finally R K in one of his articles wrote
2129,2151, 2231, and 3334, when they talk about the hadiths and sunna of the Prophet Muhammed. They claim the word Al-Hekmah in these verses refer to the Hadiths and Sunna of the prophet Muhammed. That is FALSE.
See how R K got mixed up regarding 2151?, he only refuted the Hikmah as not being the Sunnah of the prophet which I totally agree with him, however HE DODGED THE THIRD ITEM TO BE DELIVERED BY THE PROPHET and was mentioned clearly in 2151 ? ?, i.e. ?and teaches you that which you did not know?, and clearly this is what the prophet was taught himself by Allah according to 4113 ? ? ?, and He has taught you what you did not know?
What I found very ironic was testing a few Islamic sects under 2151 and the result was shocking but this will be another comment when I have time
Salam Public
Peace Ahmed,
you ealier mentioned that;
"obviously we can see that instructing us in the Scripture is something else other than teaching us the wisdom"
let us directly find God "teaching us the wisdom" within the scripture.
017.031
Kill not your children for fear of want We shall provide sustenance for them as well as for you. Verily the killing of them is a great sin.
017.032
Nor come nigh to adultery for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).
017.033
Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive) but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law).
017.034
Come not nigh to the orphan's property except to improve it, until he attains the age of full strength; and fulfil (every) engagement, for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).
017.035
Give full measure when ye measure, and weigh with a balance that is straight that is the most fitting and the most advantageous in the final determination.
017.036
And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).
017.037
Nor walk on the earth with insolence for thou canst not rend the earth asunder, nor reach the mountains in height.017.038
YUSUFALI Of all such things the evil is hateful in the sight of thy Lord.017.039
YUSUFALI These are among the (precepts of) wisdom, which thy Lord has revealed to thee. Take not, with Allah, another object of worship, lest thou shouldst be thrown into Hell, blameworthy and rejected.
PICKTHAL This is (part) of that wisdom wherewith thy Lord hath inspired thee (O Muhammad). And set not up with Allah any other god, lest thou be cast into hell, reproved, abandoned.
SHAKIR This is of what your Lord has revealed to you of wisdom, and do not associate any other god with Allah lest you should be thrown into hell, blamed, cast away.so we now see "al-hikmah" (wisdom) is beautifully given to us within the Quran. of course there is plenty more wisdom within the Quran for us to pay heed. also by reading the Quran we know what we did not know before reading it.
its clear and simple wouldnt you say?
also about conjecture you wrote this
O you who believe! avoid most of conjectures, for surely suspicion in some cases is a sin, and do not spy nor let some of you backbite others. Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? But you abhor it; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, surely Allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.
(12)
-> See the advice from Allah to the believers ? ?, i.e. ? O you who believe! avoid most of conjectures?, if we should avoid ALL the conjectures then it should be stated like this ? ?, i.e. ? O you who believe! avoid conjectures?
Salam
one thing i had missed mentioning in my previous post is that no interpretation i have ran across has the word conjectures in verse 4912
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YUSUFALI O ye who believe! Avoid suspicion as much (as possible) for suspicion in some cases is a sin And spy not on each other behind their backs. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Nay, ye would abhor it...But fear Allah For Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL O ye who believe! Shun much suspicion; for lo! some suspicion is a crime. And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you love to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Ye abhor that (so abhor the other)! And keep your duty (to Allah). Lo! Allah is Relenting, Merciful.
SHAKIR O you who believe! avoid most of suspicion, for surely suspicion in some cases is a sin, and do not spy nor let some of you backbite others. Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? But you abhor it; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, surely Allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.*the Khan and Hilali translation also avoids the word conjecture in verse 4912
but thats besides the point.
you said
When Allah told us to avoid conjectures, HE NEVER TOLD US TO AVOID ALL THE CONJECTURES, rather MOST OF THE CONJECTURES, I.E, accepting minimum conjectures is allowed by Allah as long as there is a logical and irrefutable reason to consider that conjecture
God Almighty uses the best of words
4912
..."avoid most of suspicion"... <----- instruction from God..."suspicion in some cases is a sin"... <----- wisdom from God
..."and do not spy nor let some of you backbite others"... <----- instruction from God
..."Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? But you abhor it; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, surely Allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful. <----- wisdom from God
suspicion in some "cases" not only being a sin it self, may also lead to other sins like "spying" and "backbitting"
suspicion that someone may have broke into your house, or your wife cheating on you, or the big bang theory may be harmless, but where are you understanding that believing in suspicious religous doctrine is ok??? i still don't see that from the verse or any other verse from the Quran.
ill end this by posting 4 verses from chapter 2
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Do you then hope that they would believe in you, and a party from among them indeed used to hear the Word of Allah, then altered it after they had understood it, and they know (this).002.076
And when they meet those who believe they say We believe, and when they are alone one with another they say Do you talk to them of what Allah has disclosed to you that they may contend with you by this before your Lord? Do you not then understand?002.077
Do they not know that Allah knows what they keep secret and what they make known?002.078
And there are among them illiterates who know not the Book but only lies, and they do but conjecture.002.078
Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say This is from Allah, so that they may take for it a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.peace, ex
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Peace Ahmed,
Peace mate
you ealier mentioned that;
"obviously we can see that instructing us in the Scripture is something else other than teaching us the wisdom"
let us directly find God "teaching us the wisdom" within the scripture.
Excuse me bro, the verse I brought in is talking about THE PROPHET TEACHING US the Wisdom not Allah, however I agree that the Quran is full of wisdom, that is part of it being the final message and warning to humanity before the JD, so yes the Quran is full of wisdom that is being taught to us by Allah but again the verse is talking about the prophet teaching us the wisdom not Allah
017.031
Kill not your children for fear of want We shall provide sustenance for them as well as for you. Verily the killing of them is a great sin.
017.032
Nor come nigh to adultery for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).
017.033
Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive) but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law).
017.034
Come not nigh to the orphan's property except to improve it, until he attains the age of full strength; and fulfil (every) engagement, for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).
017.035
Give full measure when ye measure, and weigh with a balance that is straight that is the most fitting and the most advantageous in the final determination.
017.036
And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).
017.037
Nor walk on the earth with insolence for thou canst not rend the earth asunder, nor reach the mountains in height.017.038
YUSUFALI Of all such things the evil is hateful in the sight of thy Lord.017.039
YUSUFALI These are among the (precepts of) wisdom, which thy Lord has revealed to thee. Take not, with Allah, another object of worship, lest thou shouldst be thrown into Hell, blameworthy and rejected.
PICKTHAL This is (part) of that wisdom wherewith thy Lord hath inspired thee (O Muhammad). And set not up with Allah any other god, lest thou be cast into hell, reproved, abandoned.
SHAKIR This is of what your Lord has revealed to you of wisdom, and do not associate any other god with Allah lest you should be thrown into hell, blamed, cast away.so we now see "al-hikmah" (wisdom) is beautifully given to us within the Quran. of course there is plenty more wisdom within the Quran for us to pay heed. also by reading the Quran we know what we did not know before reading it.
its clear and simple wouldnt you say?
Of course it is very simple and sure the above do not need a prophet to explain it to us therefore the wisdom mentioned in the verse I brought in must be other wisdom that is not mentioned in the Quran
also about conjecture you wrote this
O you who believe! avoid most of conjectures, for surely suspicion in some cases is a sin, and do not spy nor let some of you backbite others. Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? But you abhor it; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, surely Allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.
(12)
-> See the advice from Allah to the believers ? ?, i.e. ? O you who believe! avoid most of conjectures?, if we should avoid ALL the conjectures then it should be stated like this ? ?, i.e. ? O you who believe! avoid conjectures?
Salam
one thing i had missed mentioning in my previous post is that no interpretation i have ran across has the word conjectures in verse 4912
fine however, I?m not talking translation in here, I only put it as a guideline, what will stabd is the Arabic word ?Al Zann? which only means conjecture (it can be true or not but that is not the issue) the issue is the same word is used many times and your translators translated it as conjecture so if they became confused and translate the same word differently then that is their problem really, I have no problem at my side because I read the Quran in arabic and the word ?Al Zann? is the same meaning all around the Quran
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YUSUFALI O ye who believe! Avoid suspicion as much (as possible) for suspicion in some cases is a sin And spy not on each other behind their backs. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Nay, ye would abhor it...But fear Allah For Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL O ye who believe! Shun much suspicion; for lo! some suspicion is a crime. And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you love to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Ye abhor that (so abhor the other)! And keep your duty (to Allah). Lo! Allah is Relenting, Merciful.
SHAKIR O you who believe! avoid most of suspicion, for surely suspicion in some cases is a sin, and do not spy nor let some of you backbite others. Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? But you abhor it; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, surely Allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful.*the Khan and Hilali translation also avoids the word conjecture in verse 4912
but thats besides the point.
well look for another instances of the word and I?m sure you will see all of them translating it conjectures, therefore and simply they got confused
you said
When Allah told us to avoid conjectures, HE NEVER TOLD US TO AVOID ALL THE CONJECTURES, rather MOST OF THE CONJECTURES, I.E, accepting minimum conjectures is allowed by Allah as long as there is a logical and irrefutable reason to consider that conjecture
God Almighty uses the best of words
4912
..."avoid most of suspicion"... <----- instruction from God..."suspicion in some cases is a sin"... <----- wisdom from God
..."and do not spy nor let some of you backbite others"... <----- instruction from God
..."Does one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? But you abhor it; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, surely Allah is Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful. <----- wisdom from God
suspicion in some "cases" not only being a sin it self, may also lead to other sins like "spying" and "backbitting"
sorry, why you are linking conjectures to spying and backbiting?
suspicion that someone may have broke into your house, or your wife cheating on you, or the big bang theory may be harmless,
ok
but where are you understanding that believing in suspicious religous doctrine is ok???
did I ever said that or are you asking me a question?, what I said that everything should be looked at using our brains, now as far as the Quran is telling us, it tells us that ten prophet will teach us the following three entities
- The Quran
- The Wisdom (can not be the Quran because the Quran is item #1)
- Things that we don?t know (can not be the Quran because the Quran is item #1)
This is how simple I see it, but if you want to twist it to create a feel good religion for you, be my guest, that is your life
i still don't see that from the verse or any other verse from the Quran.
what exactly that you can?t see?
ill end this by posting 4 verses from chapter 2
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Do you then hope that they would believe in you, and a party from among them indeed used to hear the Word of Allah, then altered it after they had understood it, and they know (this).002.076
And when they meet those who believe they say We believe, and when they are alone one with another they say Do you talk to them of what Allah has disclosed to you that they may contend with you by this before your Lord? Do you not then understand?002.077
Do they not know that Allah knows what they keep secret and what they make known?002.078
And there are among them illiterates who know not the Book but only lies, and they do but conjecture.002.078
Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say This is from Allah, so that they may take for it a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.peace, ex
The point above is simple verse 278 means that those who lack the knowledge ?illiterate? of the book are simply following conjectures
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-> We saw this with the jews and Christians and surely we see it with some of those who claim to be Muslims, I almost see it every day since I joined this web site, this was so easy for me to spot because those who tried to explain the Quran lacked the Arabic language ?Illitereate? hence they are only promoting conjectures as 278 told us
Cheers
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-> We saw this with the jews and Christians and surely we see it with some of those who claim to be Muslims, I almost see it every day since I joined this web site, this was so easy for me to spot because those who tried to explain the Quran lacked the Arabic language ?Illitereate? hence they are only promoting conjectures as 278 told us
Cheers
peace Ahmed,
so i am illiterate for not knowing arabic
you also wrote
- The Quran
- The Wisdom (can not be the Quran because the Quran is item #1)
- Things that we don?t know (can not be the Quran because the Quran is item #1)
This is how simple I see it, but if you want to twist it to create a feel good religion for you, be my guest, that is your life
so becuase you see it that simple, then everyone else not seeing it your way is twisting there faith?
thats intresting....no not really it's just deluded.peace, ex
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peace Ahmed,
Peace xthug
so i am illiterate for not knowing Arabic
Yes if we will talk Arabic language
Exactly as I?m illiterate if I try to talk Chinese
you also wrote
- The Quran
- The Wisdom (can not be the Quran because the Quran is item #1)
- Things that we don?t know (can not be the Quran because the Quran is item #1)
This is how simple I see it, but if you want to twist it to create a feel good religion for you, be my guest, that is your life
so becuase you see it that simple, then everyone else not seeing it your way is twisting there faith?
when I said simple, I meant the following
(something AND something AND something) means we have three somethings
so if they can?t get to understand the above, I wonder what they need to get to understand the above common sense that a child will understand
thats intresting....no not really it's just deluded.
Sorry?
peace, ex
Salam