who are the Bani Israeel according to the Koran?

lovelymoslems

Unfortunately you don't have a good understanding of the words that the Quran uses or you would have translated the word Muslim. Refering to the Quran is the first step, secondly you have to understand the context of the language of the Quran and the real meanings of the words that it uses.

Godbless,
Anwar

Jesus, Moses, Abraham and Muhammad God bless them all, none of them were Muslims.

Godbless,
Anwar

Please read QS.6/161-163, all Ibrahim's son are moslem.

progod

Peace lovelymoslems,

You have to translate the word 'muslim' into Engish, but first you have to know what the word means in Pre-Islamic Arabic and then understand that it only means that in the context of the Quran. It's good you quoted the Quran but now we have address the issue of your understanding of the Arabic.

Godbless,
Anwar

warner

Peace be upon you

Brother Anwar

What did the word Aslam and Muslim "exactly" mean to the Arabs at that time ?

lovelymoslems

Peace be upon you

Brother Anwar

What did the word Aslam and Muslim "exactly" mean to the Arabs at that time ?

The muslim terms will never change, i.e. one or averything who abide to Allah deen (QS.3/83). Allah deen never changes (QS.30/30)

progod

It meant

To submit, to quite, to pay early, to make safe, to salute or greet. ( and a few others that I have to look up. It also has other meanings based on the Arabic form that it is in). But this word had nothing to do with God.

Godbless,
Anwar

warner

Peace Anwar

You mean the following uses in the Quraan would have meant just surrender or quit, etc ?

muslimina
muslimin
muslimin(a)
muslimu_n

lovelymoslems

It meant

To submit, to quite, to pay early, to make safe, to salute or greet. ( and a few others that I have to look up. It also has other meanings based on the Arabic form that it is in). But this word had nothing to do with God.

Godbless,
Anwar

Say "Verily, my Lord hath guided me to a Way that is straight, a deen of right, the Path (trod) by Ibrahim the true in faith, and he (certainly) joined not gods with Allah."

Say "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds;

"No partner hath He this am I commanded, and I am the first of those who bow to His Will (awalul muslimin)."

So muslim means

To follow deen of Ibrahim
To make his prayer, devotion, life and death only for Allah's deen.
Make no partner (in law, kingdom and devotion) to Allah.

progod

Warner,

You are exactly right. Lovelymoslems does not understand.

Godbless,
Anwar

tux

Man, you cannot understand something from the Koran when the origin is not Koranic. B'ney 'isra?l (or ban? 'sra'?l) is the nation - also known as the jews, the very same thing - that is said to have been established by Jacob after the name he was given by G-d in Genesis 3229

What you're telling is that you reject the term's history whilst trying to understand it.

Hadiths are not gonna help you on this one. However, since the T?r? is the origin, it is most likely the best place to search for an answer.

kind regards,
S

The Israelites (Hyksos People) are not Jews, they were Egyptians.
Israel = Is(is) + (Amen-)Ra + EL (Canaanite origins).

unknownuser

Peace be upon you,

The Israelites (Hyksos People) are not Jews, they were Egyptians.
Israel = Is(is) + (Amen-)Ra + EL (Canaanite origins).

I have heard this breakdown before, and I am not saying if it is correct or incorrect, but the word "Isis" is not what the Egyptians used, they said "AuSeT", not "Isis". This was a later change by the Greeks or someone else.

Further, we have to understand these people to be part of our "make up", not some group in history.