Salam,there is a physical salat
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Salaam
On the same lines I believe, allat or Allat is a goddess or Goddess (please correct me if I'm wrong).
Correction Allat is not derived from Allah, and thus it is not the feminine form, nor is it the feminine of anything. "ilaah" is god; "ilaaha" is goddess.
Why? The letter "haa" is original in ilaah or Allah, but does not show in Allat. Secondly, the "taa" at the end of Allat is not the feminine marker "taa marbuta" because this one is silent unless followed by a vowel (as in Samia ), which is not the case when Allat is pronounced, with the taa always pronounced as well.First of all that word there is pronounced in Arabic as ?Lat? not ?Allat?, the ?alif? in front of ?Lat? is silent when you recite it in Arabic-Tajwiyd beginners course 101.
In fact you do not need any Tajweed course to drop the alif from "al" in any Arabic word. This is an Arabic rule. If you want to say "and the university" you should say "wal-jaami3a" not "wa al-jaami3a". And it is Allat not Lat, in writing, and is pronounced Allat when not preceeded by any other word or preposition.
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Easy danish. The plural of ilah is alihatun...This word is used in the quran,as is ilahayn which means two gods...
Thanks enquirer. This will help me out in many ways discussing relevant "godly" issues. )
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Hello Samia,
On the same lines I believe, allat or Allat is a goddess or Goddess (please correct me if I'm wrong).
Correction Allat is not derived from Allah, and thus it is not the feminine form, nor is it the feminine of anything. "ilaah" is god; "ilaaha" is goddess.
Why? The letter "haa" is original in ilaah or Allah, but does not show in Allat. Secondly, the "taa" at the end of Allat is not the feminine marker "taa marbuta" because this one is silent unless followed by a vowel (as in Samia ), which is not the case when Allat is pronounced, with the taa always pronounced as well.If Allat is not a feminine form, then what form is it? How did Allat become a "daughter" of Allah and a "proper name" of a deity (a goddess)?
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Salaam Danish
Sorry if my sentence was not clear to you. I did not say it is not a feminine noun, but I said it is not the feminine form of Allah nor of ilaah. Not all feminine, or masculine nouns have a mirror form in the opposite gender. For example, "7ayaa(t) life" is not the feminine form of "7ay alive, masculine"; it does not have a masculine opposite. The feminine form for "7ay" is "7ayyia".
Allat, I suppose, is a proper noun, and I think it is known by other names in other regions.
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Salaam Samia
"In fact you do not need any Tajweed course to drop the alif from "al" in any Arabic word. This is an Arabic rule. If you want to say "and the university" you should say "wal-jaami3a" not "wa al-jaami3a". And it is Allat not Lat, in writing, and is pronounced Allat when not preceeded by any other word or preposition."
You have convinced beyond reason that you lack common sense because when I expressed Tawjwiyd to Danish I was being funny towards him so I do not know why you come along and said
"This is an Arabic rule" and also "and the university" you should say "wal-jaami3a" not "wa al-jaami3a"
Samia there are a lot of things I see go right over your head just like our last discussion in this thread. Like I have told you before you need to go and try to impress someone who does not know Arabic. I guess for what ever reason you need to make some head way but you picked the wrong one for that.
Samia will you say that "Alaha" in Aramaic is a verb?
Salaam
Easy danish. The plural of ilah is alihatun...This word is used in the quran,as is ilahayn which means two gods...
Thanks enquirer. This will help me out in many ways discussing relevant "godly" issues. )
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Salaam Al Khidr
You have convinced beyond reason that you lack common sense because when I expressed Tawjwiyd to Danish I was being funny towards him
You were being funny? No, from what you wrote "below", you weren't, but you are now.
This is what you said "emphasis mine"I would love to have the honor to correct your misguided Christian self. When you mention the word ?allat? I believe you were referring to Qur?aan 5319. First of all that word there is pronounced in Arabic as ?Lat? not ?Allat?, the ?alif? in front of ?Lat? is silent when you recite it in Arabic-Tajwiyd beginners course 101. This right here sounds like your typical, misguided Christian argument. It is sad to say that your so-called pagan Christian authorities have lied and also brain washed you over the years. The name ?Lat? or as you want to pronounce it as ?Allat?
And this was my comment
In fact you do not need any Tajweed course to drop the alif from "al" in any Arabic word. This is an Arabic rule.
What say you?
Samia there are a lot of things I see go right over your head just like our last discussion in this thread. Like I have told you before you need to go and try to impress someone who does not know Arabic. I guess for what ever reason you need to make some head way but you picked the wrong one for that.
Al Khidr why don't you just reply to my comments instead of protesting because I corrected you?
Samia will you say that "Alaha" in Aramaic is a verb?
Al Khidr brickwall brickwall brickwall brickwall brickwall
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Salam,
brothers and sisters,i started this thread initially,but i see that we are drifting away from the main topic,but i would like to point out,whether you believe in praising God internally or both physically and internally or however...the main aim is to live according to his guidance and establish his divine system to the best of our abilities...it is thus the only way we can unite as the very principle of islam is not to squabble about minor differences but strive for the greater common agreeable good of establishing a society conducive for doing right and avoiding wrong so that we may succeed in both worlds.Peace
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Salaam Samia
The more and more you open your mouth the more and more you bring validation to my comment when I said you lack common sense and everything goes over your head. Let me repeat this one part of my statement just one more time
"Tajwiyd beginners course 101"
when I said that I was being funny to Danish or in other words I was being sarcastic, now I hope you understand.
You have said respond to your comments what comments, I already refuted your claim when you said abd means neither "worship" , "slave", "servant"
Are you saying that Alaha in Aramiac is a verb?
Do you believe that Allah in the Qur'aan is also a verb?
You said
"Al Khidr why don't you just reply to my comments instead of protesting because I corrected you?"
You have made an attempted but failed. Go back and read our dialogue on in this thread, its not necessary for me to copy and past it here.
Salaam
Salaam Al Khidr
You have convinced beyond reason that you lack common sense because when I expressed Tawjwiyd to Danish I was being funny towards him
You were being funny? No, from what you wrote "below", you weren't, but you are now.
This is what you said "emphasis mine"I would love to have the honor to correct your misguided Christian self. When you mention the word ?allat? I believe you were referring to Qur?aan 5319. First of all that word there is pronounced in Arabic as ?Lat? not ?Allat?, the ?alif? in front of ?Lat? is silent when you recite it in Arabic-Tajwiyd beginners course 101. This right here sounds like your typical, misguided Christian argument. It is sad to say that your so-called pagan Christian authorities have lied and also brain washed you over the years. The name ?Lat? or as you want to pronounce it as ?Allat?
And this was my comment
In fact you do not need any Tajweed course to drop the alif from "al" in any Arabic word. This is an Arabic rule.
What say you?
Samia there are a lot of things I see go right over your head just like our last discussion in this thread. Like I have told you before you need to go and try to impress someone who does not know Arabic. I guess for what ever reason you need to make some head way but you picked the wrong one for that.
Al Khidr why don't you just reply to my comments instead of protesting because I corrected you?
Samia will you say that "Alaha" in Aramaic is a verb?
Al Khidr brickwall brickwall brickwall brickwall brickwall
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Hello Al-Khidr,
I shall respond to your post addressed to me earlier and especially towards the Supreme Voodoo link you provided. In the meantime, please dig out a verse from the Quran which proclaims and authenticates Allah as the real and actual supreme name of a deity.
FYI, Allah was never a real name but a contraction of al-ilah to become The God and is capitalized for its supreme stance over all other gods and goddesses. The real name of your god worshipped by Muhammad, the meccans and pre-Islamic cults was actually named Hubal, the Moon God, a male pagan deity. Hubal was venerated as the Most Supreme and All-Powerful and presided atop the roof of Kaba as its throne where he was venerated and worshipped. Hubal was Allah, meaning Hubal was The Supreme God over all other gods. Muhammad destroyed almost all other gods and made Hubal the One and Only. The pagans called upon this deity not by his real name Hubal but addressed him by Allah (The Supreme God). In analogy, if there were several houses and only one was distinguished, it is attributed as The House. Obviously there was not just one god (al-ilah) being worshipped but several gods (alihatun) and one had to be distinguished as The God (Allah), all with their respective names. Do some real study and research before you start banging your head (brickwall ).
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Peace Samia
I have viewed this thread and your dialogue with Khidr and I think you should put down your ego. Just admit you made a mistake by saying that abd neither means worship, slave, serve. I do not know why you would say that Khidr only said it means worship when he also demonstrated that it means more than worship. Its in black and white, its there everybody can clearly read it. You are the only person I know who claims to have Arabic knowledge and say that abd does not mean worship, slave, servant which is false and you keep on dragging this on by making pointless arguments and comments.
You again continue to make pointless arguments and comments such as Khidr trying to be funny. When I read it I can tell he was being sarcastic to that athiest Danish.
It would be nice to get back to the original topic
This right here is an interesting link that address ibadah in the Qur'aan and its various meanings and some of those meanings brother Khidr indicated
http//www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/M_four_term/t4_ibadah.htm
Peace
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Peace be upon you Al Khidr,
Why would you translate "Hajj" in 2197 as Debate instead of Pilgrimage?
Because thats what it means. If you compile all of the verses with that root, the result will speak for itself.
Further, why would the God force some people to travel halfway around the world while others can cartwheel to the location.
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Peace be upon you,
Still need more time. I havent had much free time after work this past week, and thats the only time I can work on it. This weekend will be busy also, but I will try to put in a few hours. Sorry for the delay, I t really wont be that much longer though.
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Salaam Fatimah12
It is nice to be supportive of someone, but it is an obligation to be fair. Neither you nor Al Khider answered to my explanation of the word "3abd" or "3ibaada". He mentioned "worship" and "serve". How are these two related as the two Arabic terms 3abd and 3ibaada? How do you "serve" God, in the same meaning as a slave serves you, e.g? You need the slave's service, does God need your service?
Have you read the link you provided? I doubt that, although you claim that it came up with Al Khidr explanation. I haven't even read in the article "worship"! How about that? In fact, it mentioned, first thing as meaning of 3abada to obey; to yield!! It goes on to say
Also, since the primary role of a slave is to obey his master...
, you see? Not to serve his master. This's what I saidhence 3abd is a slave because he/she obeys
Compare with my post if you haven't read it.
Here is your whole article. Please point to me where it says to "worship" or to "serve"
Like the other two basic terms already dealt with, the term 'ibadah too has several different meanings, though all related to each other. The basic concept implied by the root word, 'abd, is that of acknowledging someone other than oneself as holding supremacy or enjoying overlordship and of abdicating one's freedom and independence in big favour, of relinquishing any resistance to or disobedience of him, and of surrendering oneself totally to his authority. Since slavery or bondage too are tantamount to similar status, the first sense the word conveys to the mind of any Arab is of this very factor, namely, slavery or bondage.
Also, since the primary role of a slave is to obey his master and carry out his wishes, the word also carries the sense of submission and obedience. Next, a slave not only submits himself to the will of his master physically, but mentally too he accepts his supremacy, and if he at the same time has feelings of gratitude for his kindnesses and favours, he is inclined spontaneously to go out of his way in extolling the master and in showing respect and regard for him. He expresses and demonstrates his obligation in many ways to show his deep attachment, in a manner amounting almost to worship although, obviously, this comes into play only when, in addition to physical bondage, there is mental attachment too.
There are two other senses also in which the word or its derivatives are employed, but they are secondary, and hence it is not necessary to go into them at this stage.
I wonder what those two senses are!!
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Salaam Fatimah12
It is nice to be supportive of someone, but it is an obligation to be fair. Neither you nor Al Khider answered to my explanation of the word "3abd" or "3ibaada". He mentioned "worship" and "serve". How are these two related as the two Arabic terms 3abd and 3ibaada? How do you "serve" God, in the same meaning as a slave serves you, e.g? You need the slave's service, does God need your service?
Have you read the link you provided? I doubt that, although you claim that it came up with Al Khidr explanation. I haven't even read in the article "worship"! How about that? In fact, it mentioned, first thing as meaning of 3abada to obey; to yield!! It goes on to say
Also, since the primary role of a slave is to obey his master...
, you see? Not to serve his master. This's what I saidhence 3abd is a slave because he/she obeys
Compare with my post if you haven't read it.
Here is your whole article. Please point to me where it says to "worship" or to "serve"
Like the other two basic terms already dealt with, the term 'ibadah too has several different meanings, though all related to each other. The basic concept implied by the root word, 'abd, is that of acknowledging someone other than oneself as holding supremacy or enjoying overlordship and of abdicating one's freedom and independence in big favour, of relinquishing any resistance to or disobedience of him, and of surrendering oneself totally to his authority. Since slavery or bondage too are tantamount to similar status, the first sense the word conveys to the mind of any Arab is of this very factor, namely, slavery or bondage.
Also, since the primary role of a slave is to obey his master and carry out his wishes, the word also carries the sense of submission and obedience. Next, a slave not only submits himself to the will of his master physically, but mentally too he accepts his supremacy, and if he at the same time has feelings of gratitude for his kindnesses and favours, he is inclined spontaneously to go out of his way in extolling the master and in showing respect and regard for him. He expresses and demonstrates his obligation in many ways to show his deep attachment, in a manner amounting almost to worship although, obviously, this comes into play only when, in addition to physical bondage, there is mental attachment too.
There are two other senses also in which the word or its derivatives are employed, but they are secondary, and hence it is not necessary to go into them at this stage.
I wonder what those two senses are!!
Peace Samia
Yes your right you have to be fair but I don?t think you really read Khidr?s post accurately. Number one you said
?It is nice to be supportive of someone, but it is an obligation to be fair. Neither you nor Al Khidr answered to my explanation of the word "3abd" or "3ibaada"
Brother Khidr said he did not disagree with your explaination. His statement is in his post and I really hope that you took time to read it. When I read his post he said that he ONLY disagrees with you when you said that it neither means worship, slave, serve and he provided more than enough information to you that shows it does mean worship, slave, serve and the sources that he used also provided more definitions. This is what I mean by when I think you need to drop your ego. Abd is the root and those Arabic words do mean worship, slave, serve and even much more including what you have explained.
The link that I have provided also uses the word worship to explain ibadah and more. Didn?t you read this part of the article where the author uses the word worship and even the Qur?anic verses in the article translated ibadah as worship. Honestly did you read it? You only quoted 1/3 of the article and left out the majority of the article. If you deny this I will be happy to quote the sections that uses the word worship for ibadah. You can?t even read a straight forward article, just let me know and I will quote it for you. The link to the article is here again
http//www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/M_four_term/t4_ibadah.htm
I notice that you said, ?You need the slave's service, does God need your service?? For one Khidr never said that the Creator needs our service and he never said that the Creator Allah need our salaat. I never made such claim either, this is what he meant by you introducing arguments/comments that has nothing to do with anything or what he was talking about. I do as brother Khidr have said you lack observation skills. You ego is flaring high. Pointless arguments go no where.
I notice that you never answered brother Khidr?s question here
Are you saying that Alaha in Aramiac is a verb?
Do you believe that Allah in the Qur'aan is also a verb?
Peace
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Peace all
idolfree1, will you be including in your article the purposes of sleep and dreams, particularly the re-programming that happens every-night when we experience what Allah calls in the Quran the "smaller death"?Now Public (as Ahmed will say, I hope he is ok, not heard from him for a while)
It is unfortunate that the English language does not cater for the distinctions between du'a, dhikr and salat.
It is also unfortunate that the word Salat has different meanings in Arabic, such as
Paying tribute, following closely, performing a physical ritual...My understanding is as follows
It is part of the Islamic farai'dh (obligations) that we perform a physical ritual that involves physical standing up while reading Quran, followed by ruku'u and sujuud, this ritual encapsulates the ayats where Allah says that those who read/listen to the Quran kneel and prostrate...I for one, when I reach an ayat where Allah says prostrate, and I am at my place, I do physically prostrate. If it is not convenient, I will imagine myself in my mind's eye physically prostrating...
Not following Allah's commands, or worse still, advocating not following His commands, and misleading and confusing believers as to the meaning of His commands is just plain arrogance, and I do not want to have any part in it.
Salams to those who follow Allah's guidance, and may Allah make me one of them...
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Qur?aan 5319
'Afara'aytumu Al-Lta Wa Al-`Uzz?
Have you considered Lat and UzzahWrong. Both Allat and Aluzzah were known stone idols during and pre-dating Muhammad's reign and were proper names, along with Mannat and hundreds of other proper named idols.
?These are but names that you made up, you and your forefathers. Allah never authorized such a blasphemy. They follow conjecture, and personal desire, when the true guidance has come to them herein from their Lord.? - (5323)
There is no "made up" as underlined above but rather "named". The sentence should read as "These are names that you named, you and your fathers." Which means that the names were already there and the idols were named as such, hence the fabrication. Also note that Muhammad's purpose was to destroy these idols and keep the Hubal for himself as The God, the one and only, hence the clever verse. Isn't this how Islam was enforced and became monotheist?
The name ?Lat? or as you want to pronounce it as ?Allat? does not predate the original name of the Creator ?Allah?, in other words Danish ?Allah?, the original name was here long long long long before the man-made concoction and manipulation of the Arabic word in your quote up above. The name Allah goes all the way back to the ancient Aramaic/Sytretic Arabic scriptures and this was long before the Qur?aan was revealed; this long before Muhammad was born. Danish how on earth can you take a Johnny-come-lately name to derive a feminine of Allah. It does not work that way.
Allah is not a proper name of any deity. There was no statue or deity named Allah. It is a contraction of the common word 'al-ilah' (the god) and emphasized to give weight to a supreme or chief of the deities to become The God. The word Allah was commonly attributed to many supreme gods of various cults and regions, such as the supreme god named Hubal of the meccan cults, which answers your concern of this word being used during and even long before Muhammad was born.
Every body knows that man has invented names, concocted names throughout history and example of this is ?GOD? & ?JEHOVAH?, just to name a few.
I believe the word "Jehovah" has linguistic and transcriptional problems and therefore much disputed, but nonetheless and once again, it was a proper name of a deity and the Hebrews called him The God. Just like Jesus is a proper name and many Christians believe that he was/is God himself. In other words, Jesus was/is Allah. Let me give you another simple example Assuming that the presidents of all the countries were referred to as gods of their respective countries but the president of the US (Bush) being most distinguished, powerful and supreme, he would be emphasized as The God of all other gods, hence Allah of all other alihatun. No wonder you have Allah as "most" merciful, "most" gracious, "all" powerful and so forth, distinguishing among other gods and goddesses.
You have failed in your attempted to derive a feminine of Allah and you have not produced any evidence from Al Qur?aan to derive a plural of Allah, a masculine of Allah and this is a CHALLENGE to you!! This is what Allah tells us Muslim to say to you Christians
The Arabic feminine gender of Allah is Allat. Allah is a masculine form addressed by He, Him and His. The Quran is not the one to provide you with gender explanations but the Arabic linguistics and grammatical exegesis.
The plural of Allah (The God) is Alihatun (The Gods) if and when emphasized to denote two or more Supreme Gods, in similar fashion as the common singular word allah (the god) to its plural alihatun (the gods).Qur?aan 2111
They said, ?No one will enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian!? Such is their wishful thinking. Say, ?Show us your proof, if you are truthfulSo Danish (the Christian) Produce your proof if you are truthful!!.?
Take this verse up with a Jew or a Christian. And if you ask me, the proof is in the pudding (see above and below).
In English ?GOD? can be made a feminine, example GODDESS
In Arabic "Allah" can be made a feminine, example Allat
In English ?GOD? can be made a plural, example GODS
In Arabic "Allah" can be made a plural, example Alihatun
In English you can change the letter ?g? into a capital or a small case
In Arabic you can change the letter "a" into a capital or small case.
In English the term ?GOD? itself can be used in a masculine sense, it can be used for human beings, mythical gods, idols, just to name a few.
In Arabic the term "Allah" itself can be used in a masculine sense, it can be used for human beings, mythical gods, idols, just to name a few. Thus Allah cannot be a name of any specific entity but an identity to denote supremacy, highest in rank, above all others, etc. It is not possible and out-of-question to give a proper name to a "cosmological god", if at all.
This cannot be done to the original name ALLAH, which all of the Prophets used.
Its a done deal and Allah simply means The God.
If you reverse the name you can spell ?DOG?. You need to research the history of this term ?GOD? to comprehend the greek pagan, atheistic origins and then you will see for yourself that such term could not be applied or used as a substitute for the original and proper name of the Creator ALLAH.
Reverse the word GOD to DOG and what you get is a faithful, loving, caring, beautiful, protective, supportive, playful, loyal and a highly intelligent creature.
Reverse the word ALLAH to HALLA and what you get is a slang term coined by people out of Racine, Wisconsin. Halla is a a word that is taken from the word holla, an informal greeting popular among those in the Hip Hop subculture. There's a bit of a lesson.There is no scripture in existence that even uses the word ?GOD?, the Prophets that walked the earth never heard of that term.
How unfortunate for Allah's "bodyguards"? Why don't you call upon those "prophets" and give them a good English lesson. After all, people do believe and talk with the dead, don't they?