Salam,there is a physical salat
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Hello Al-Khidr,
I shall respond to your post addressed to me earlier and especially towards the Supreme Voodoo link you provided. In the meantime, please dig out a verse from the Quran which proclaims and authenticates Allah as the real and actual supreme name of a deity.
FYI, Allah was never a real name but a contraction of al-ilah to become The God and is capitalized for its supreme stance over all other gods and goddesses. The real name of your god worshipped by Muhammad, the meccans and pre-Islamic cults was actually named Hubal, the Moon God, a male pagan deity. Hubal was venerated as the Most Supreme and All-Powerful and presided atop the roof of Kaba as its throne where he was venerated and worshipped. Hubal was Allah, meaning Hubal was The Supreme God over all other gods. Muhammad destroyed almost all other gods and made Hubal the One and Only. The pagans called upon this deity not by his real name Hubal but addressed him by Allah (The Supreme God). In analogy, if there were several houses and only one was distinguished, it is attributed as The House. Obviously there was not just one god (al-ilah) being worshipped but several gods (alihatun) and one had to be distinguished as The God (Allah), all with their respective names. Do some real study and research before you start banging your head (brickwall ).
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Peace Samia
I have viewed this thread and your dialogue with Khidr and I think you should put down your ego. Just admit you made a mistake by saying that abd neither means worship, slave, serve. I do not know why you would say that Khidr only said it means worship when he also demonstrated that it means more than worship. Its in black and white, its there everybody can clearly read it. You are the only person I know who claims to have Arabic knowledge and say that abd does not mean worship, slave, servant which is false and you keep on dragging this on by making pointless arguments and comments.
You again continue to make pointless arguments and comments such as Khidr trying to be funny. When I read it I can tell he was being sarcastic to that athiest Danish.
It would be nice to get back to the original topic
This right here is an interesting link that address ibadah in the Qur'aan and its various meanings and some of those meanings brother Khidr indicated
http//www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/M_four_term/t4_ibadah.htm
Peace
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Peace be upon you Al Khidr,
Why would you translate "Hajj" in 2197 as Debate instead of Pilgrimage?
Because thats what it means. If you compile all of the verses with that root, the result will speak for itself.
Further, why would the God force some people to travel halfway around the world while others can cartwheel to the location.
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Peace be upon you,
Still need more time. I havent had much free time after work this past week, and thats the only time I can work on it. This weekend will be busy also, but I will try to put in a few hours. Sorry for the delay, I t really wont be that much longer though.
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Salaam Fatimah12
It is nice to be supportive of someone, but it is an obligation to be fair. Neither you nor Al Khider answered to my explanation of the word "3abd" or "3ibaada". He mentioned "worship" and "serve". How are these two related as the two Arabic terms 3abd and 3ibaada? How do you "serve" God, in the same meaning as a slave serves you, e.g? You need the slave's service, does God need your service?
Have you read the link you provided? I doubt that, although you claim that it came up with Al Khidr explanation. I haven't even read in the article "worship"! How about that? In fact, it mentioned, first thing as meaning of 3abada to obey; to yield!! It goes on to say
Also, since the primary role of a slave is to obey his master...
, you see? Not to serve his master. This's what I saidhence 3abd is a slave because he/she obeys
Compare with my post if you haven't read it.
Here is your whole article. Please point to me where it says to "worship" or to "serve"
Like the other two basic terms already dealt with, the term 'ibadah too has several different meanings, though all related to each other. The basic concept implied by the root word, 'abd, is that of acknowledging someone other than oneself as holding supremacy or enjoying overlordship and of abdicating one's freedom and independence in big favour, of relinquishing any resistance to or disobedience of him, and of surrendering oneself totally to his authority. Since slavery or bondage too are tantamount to similar status, the first sense the word conveys to the mind of any Arab is of this very factor, namely, slavery or bondage.
Also, since the primary role of a slave is to obey his master and carry out his wishes, the word also carries the sense of submission and obedience. Next, a slave not only submits himself to the will of his master physically, but mentally too he accepts his supremacy, and if he at the same time has feelings of gratitude for his kindnesses and favours, he is inclined spontaneously to go out of his way in extolling the master and in showing respect and regard for him. He expresses and demonstrates his obligation in many ways to show his deep attachment, in a manner amounting almost to worship although, obviously, this comes into play only when, in addition to physical bondage, there is mental attachment too.
There are two other senses also in which the word or its derivatives are employed, but they are secondary, and hence it is not necessary to go into them at this stage.
I wonder what those two senses are!!
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Salaam Fatimah12
It is nice to be supportive of someone, but it is an obligation to be fair. Neither you nor Al Khider answered to my explanation of the word "3abd" or "3ibaada". He mentioned "worship" and "serve". How are these two related as the two Arabic terms 3abd and 3ibaada? How do you "serve" God, in the same meaning as a slave serves you, e.g? You need the slave's service, does God need your service?
Have you read the link you provided? I doubt that, although you claim that it came up with Al Khidr explanation. I haven't even read in the article "worship"! How about that? In fact, it mentioned, first thing as meaning of 3abada to obey; to yield!! It goes on to say
Also, since the primary role of a slave is to obey his master...
, you see? Not to serve his master. This's what I saidhence 3abd is a slave because he/she obeys
Compare with my post if you haven't read it.
Here is your whole article. Please point to me where it says to "worship" or to "serve"
Like the other two basic terms already dealt with, the term 'ibadah too has several different meanings, though all related to each other. The basic concept implied by the root word, 'abd, is that of acknowledging someone other than oneself as holding supremacy or enjoying overlordship and of abdicating one's freedom and independence in big favour, of relinquishing any resistance to or disobedience of him, and of surrendering oneself totally to his authority. Since slavery or bondage too are tantamount to similar status, the first sense the word conveys to the mind of any Arab is of this very factor, namely, slavery or bondage.
Also, since the primary role of a slave is to obey his master and carry out his wishes, the word also carries the sense of submission and obedience. Next, a slave not only submits himself to the will of his master physically, but mentally too he accepts his supremacy, and if he at the same time has feelings of gratitude for his kindnesses and favours, he is inclined spontaneously to go out of his way in extolling the master and in showing respect and regard for him. He expresses and demonstrates his obligation in many ways to show his deep attachment, in a manner amounting almost to worship although, obviously, this comes into play only when, in addition to physical bondage, there is mental attachment too.
There are two other senses also in which the word or its derivatives are employed, but they are secondary, and hence it is not necessary to go into them at this stage.
I wonder what those two senses are!!
Peace Samia
Yes your right you have to be fair but I don?t think you really read Khidr?s post accurately. Number one you said
?It is nice to be supportive of someone, but it is an obligation to be fair. Neither you nor Al Khidr answered to my explanation of the word "3abd" or "3ibaada"
Brother Khidr said he did not disagree with your explaination. His statement is in his post and I really hope that you took time to read it. When I read his post he said that he ONLY disagrees with you when you said that it neither means worship, slave, serve and he provided more than enough information to you that shows it does mean worship, slave, serve and the sources that he used also provided more definitions. This is what I mean by when I think you need to drop your ego. Abd is the root and those Arabic words do mean worship, slave, serve and even much more including what you have explained.
The link that I have provided also uses the word worship to explain ibadah and more. Didn?t you read this part of the article where the author uses the word worship and even the Qur?anic verses in the article translated ibadah as worship. Honestly did you read it? You only quoted 1/3 of the article and left out the majority of the article. If you deny this I will be happy to quote the sections that uses the word worship for ibadah. You can?t even read a straight forward article, just let me know and I will quote it for you. The link to the article is here again
http//www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/M_four_term/t4_ibadah.htm
I notice that you said, ?You need the slave's service, does God need your service?? For one Khidr never said that the Creator needs our service and he never said that the Creator Allah need our salaat. I never made such claim either, this is what he meant by you introducing arguments/comments that has nothing to do with anything or what he was talking about. I do as brother Khidr have said you lack observation skills. You ego is flaring high. Pointless arguments go no where.
I notice that you never answered brother Khidr?s question here
Are you saying that Alaha in Aramiac is a verb?
Do you believe that Allah in the Qur'aan is also a verb?
Peace
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Peace all
idolfree1, will you be including in your article the purposes of sleep and dreams, particularly the re-programming that happens every-night when we experience what Allah calls in the Quran the "smaller death"?Now Public (as Ahmed will say, I hope he is ok, not heard from him for a while)
It is unfortunate that the English language does not cater for the distinctions between du'a, dhikr and salat.
It is also unfortunate that the word Salat has different meanings in Arabic, such as
Paying tribute, following closely, performing a physical ritual...My understanding is as follows
It is part of the Islamic farai'dh (obligations) that we perform a physical ritual that involves physical standing up while reading Quran, followed by ruku'u and sujuud, this ritual encapsulates the ayats where Allah says that those who read/listen to the Quran kneel and prostrate...I for one, when I reach an ayat where Allah says prostrate, and I am at my place, I do physically prostrate. If it is not convenient, I will imagine myself in my mind's eye physically prostrating...
Not following Allah's commands, or worse still, advocating not following His commands, and misleading and confusing believers as to the meaning of His commands is just plain arrogance, and I do not want to have any part in it.
Salams to those who follow Allah's guidance, and may Allah make me one of them...
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Qur?aan 5319
'Afara'aytumu Al-Lta Wa Al-`Uzz?
Have you considered Lat and UzzahWrong. Both Allat and Aluzzah were known stone idols during and pre-dating Muhammad's reign and were proper names, along with Mannat and hundreds of other proper named idols.
?These are but names that you made up, you and your forefathers. Allah never authorized such a blasphemy. They follow conjecture, and personal desire, when the true guidance has come to them herein from their Lord.? - (5323)
There is no "made up" as underlined above but rather "named". The sentence should read as "These are names that you named, you and your fathers." Which means that the names were already there and the idols were named as such, hence the fabrication. Also note that Muhammad's purpose was to destroy these idols and keep the Hubal for himself as The God, the one and only, hence the clever verse. Isn't this how Islam was enforced and became monotheist?
The name ?Lat? or as you want to pronounce it as ?Allat? does not predate the original name of the Creator ?Allah?, in other words Danish ?Allah?, the original name was here long long long long before the man-made concoction and manipulation of the Arabic word in your quote up above. The name Allah goes all the way back to the ancient Aramaic/Sytretic Arabic scriptures and this was long before the Qur?aan was revealed; this long before Muhammad was born. Danish how on earth can you take a Johnny-come-lately name to derive a feminine of Allah. It does not work that way.
Allah is not a proper name of any deity. There was no statue or deity named Allah. It is a contraction of the common word 'al-ilah' (the god) and emphasized to give weight to a supreme or chief of the deities to become The God. The word Allah was commonly attributed to many supreme gods of various cults and regions, such as the supreme god named Hubal of the meccan cults, which answers your concern of this word being used during and even long before Muhammad was born.
Every body knows that man has invented names, concocted names throughout history and example of this is ?GOD? & ?JEHOVAH?, just to name a few.
I believe the word "Jehovah" has linguistic and transcriptional problems and therefore much disputed, but nonetheless and once again, it was a proper name of a deity and the Hebrews called him The God. Just like Jesus is a proper name and many Christians believe that he was/is God himself. In other words, Jesus was/is Allah. Let me give you another simple example Assuming that the presidents of all the countries were referred to as gods of their respective countries but the president of the US (Bush) being most distinguished, powerful and supreme, he would be emphasized as The God of all other gods, hence Allah of all other alihatun. No wonder you have Allah as "most" merciful, "most" gracious, "all" powerful and so forth, distinguishing among other gods and goddesses.
You have failed in your attempted to derive a feminine of Allah and you have not produced any evidence from Al Qur?aan to derive a plural of Allah, a masculine of Allah and this is a CHALLENGE to you!! This is what Allah tells us Muslim to say to you Christians
The Arabic feminine gender of Allah is Allat. Allah is a masculine form addressed by He, Him and His. The Quran is not the one to provide you with gender explanations but the Arabic linguistics and grammatical exegesis.
The plural of Allah (The God) is Alihatun (The Gods) if and when emphasized to denote two or more Supreme Gods, in similar fashion as the common singular word allah (the god) to its plural alihatun (the gods).Qur?aan 2111
They said, ?No one will enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian!? Such is their wishful thinking. Say, ?Show us your proof, if you are truthfulSo Danish (the Christian) Produce your proof if you are truthful!!.?
Take this verse up with a Jew or a Christian. And if you ask me, the proof is in the pudding (see above and below).
In English ?GOD? can be made a feminine, example GODDESS
In Arabic "Allah" can be made a feminine, example Allat
In English ?GOD? can be made a plural, example GODS
In Arabic "Allah" can be made a plural, example Alihatun
In English you can change the letter ?g? into a capital or a small case
In Arabic you can change the letter "a" into a capital or small case.
In English the term ?GOD? itself can be used in a masculine sense, it can be used for human beings, mythical gods, idols, just to name a few.
In Arabic the term "Allah" itself can be used in a masculine sense, it can be used for human beings, mythical gods, idols, just to name a few. Thus Allah cannot be a name of any specific entity but an identity to denote supremacy, highest in rank, above all others, etc. It is not possible and out-of-question to give a proper name to a "cosmological god", if at all.
This cannot be done to the original name ALLAH, which all of the Prophets used.
Its a done deal and Allah simply means The God.
If you reverse the name you can spell ?DOG?. You need to research the history of this term ?GOD? to comprehend the greek pagan, atheistic origins and then you will see for yourself that such term could not be applied or used as a substitute for the original and proper name of the Creator ALLAH.
Reverse the word GOD to DOG and what you get is a faithful, loving, caring, beautiful, protective, supportive, playful, loyal and a highly intelligent creature.
Reverse the word ALLAH to HALLA and what you get is a slang term coined by people out of Racine, Wisconsin. Halla is a a word that is taken from the word holla, an informal greeting popular among those in the Hip Hop subculture. There's a bit of a lesson.There is no scripture in existence that even uses the word ?GOD?, the Prophets that walked the earth never heard of that term.
How unfortunate for Allah's "bodyguards"? Why don't you call upon those "prophets" and give them a good English lesson. After all, people do believe and talk with the dead, don't they?
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Salaam Danish
Salaam Danish
This verse is talking about the idol gods they created, fabricated, invented so to say ?made up? fits right into that context.
?There is no "made up" as underlined above but rather "named". The sentence should read as "These are names that you named?
I think you are missing a very crucial point by Brother Khidr. Khidr have said ?Lat? and those other idol gods that they created but was never authorized by Allah came much later after the original name Allah so you cannot create a feminine of Allah using those names that came into late or created by the hands of men much later after Allah. You cannot get around this. Don?t forget Allah is in Aramaic language as well and the name Allah was used before Muhammad was born.
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martinbhagat wrote
brothers and sisters,i started this thread initially,but i see that we are drifting away from the main topic,but i would like to point out,whether you believe in praising God internally or both physically and internally or however...i couldnt agree more (about the drifting away from topic part)...but then that's ok...sooner or later the topic will be returned to...here or elsewhere... (- ..as for myself...i would say sujood and ruku can be physical...whether or not they form a part of salaat i dunno if i know enuf to bet dollars to donuts yet!(-
idolfree1 wrote
Because thats what it means. If you compile all of the verses with that root, the result will speak for itself.have u reached that conclusion after carrying out the needed? -)
samia wrote
How do you "serve" God, in the same meaning as a slave serves you, e.g? You need the slave's service, does God need your service?maybe the word denotes a sense of "obeying and doing as told", rather than "serving" as in a slave serving its master (since as u point out god doesnt need anyone's service)! (-
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Salaam Danish
You have said
?Wrong. Both Allat and Aluzzah were known stone idols during and pre-dating Muhammad's reign and were proper names, along with Mannat and hundreds of other proper named idols.?
This right here is totally incorrect and you know this. This sound like some more of your so-called Christian apologetic?s garbage. The original and proper name of the Creator ?ALLAH? predates those fabricated names as you say ?Allat and Aluzzah?. Again Allah goes all the way back to ancient Syretic Arabic or Aramaic, which predates those fabricated terms by far (5323). For all those who want to investigate further, check out this link and you will see Danish (the under cover Christian) argument further exposed and witness how Allah is the original name of the Creator found in the scriptures
http//www.aramaicnt.org/HTML/ARTICLES/DebunkAnswerChrist.html
I have quoted the following verse
?These are but names that you made up, you and your forefathers. Allah never authorized such a blasphemy. They follow conjecture, and personal desire, when the true guidance has come to them herein from their Lord.? - (5323)
and you have said
?There is no "made up" as underlined above but rather "named". The sentence should read as "These are names that you named, you and your fathers."
Sister Fatimah has skillfully addressed this weak argument, which really amounted to your lack of understanding. Danish I hope that you have read her comments concerning your arguments here.
You have said
?Isn't this how Islam was enforced and became monotheist??
No Danish Islaam was spread by the sword of intellect, thus not the physical sword like that of Christianity. All you have to do is talk to Black folks in America and they will tell you how the christians in that religion raped them and enslaved them in the name of Christianity, in the name of GOD. The Christians under Christianity has committed the worse enslavement of history known to mankind. The native Indians were also victims of this treacherous holocaust that was committed by so-called Christians, and Danish your own unholy bible itself promotes slavery.
You have said
?Allah is not a proper name of any deity. There was no statue or deity named Allah. It is a contraction of the common word 'al-ilah' (the god) and emphasized to give weight to a supreme or chief of the deities to become The God.?
When you have said that Allah is not a proper name of any deity, again is your wishful thinking. Now you have said ?Al Ilah?, well Danish lets look at that. The Arabic word ?Al? is the definite article ?The? in English and it would be ?El? in Hebrew. This right here would separate Allah from All creations, visible and invisible. What you have failed to do is reduce our Creator. You still have not demonstrated inside the Qur?aan that Allah is an idol deity, you have failed to produce any evidence inside Al Qur?aan that reduces Allah to a woman, plural, masculine or anything on an earthly human level. Danish where is the evidence in the Qur?aan for this? The Qur?aan says
Praise be to Allah Rabb (The Cherisher, Sustainer, Lord, Master, Provider, Sovereign) of Aalamin (all the Boundless Universes) (12)
He is the One who created for you everything on the planet earth, then turned to the sky and perfected seven boundless universes therein, and He has full knowledge of all things. (229)
Glorifying Him are the seven boundless universes, the planet earth, and everyone in them. There is nothing that does not glorify Him, but you do not comprehend their glorification. He is Clement, Forgiver. (1744)
You shall not worship besides Allah any other god. There is no other god besides Him. Everything perishes except His presence. To Him belongs all Kingship, and to Him you will be returned. (288
Below is another good link
http//www.freewebs.com/nuwr19/assamawaati.htm
Qur?aan 1121-4
- SAY O HE ALLAH IS ALONE, NO EQUALS HAS HE.
- ALLAH IS IN NEED OF NOTHING, FOR HE HAS NO DEFICIENCIES; BUT EVERYTHING IS IN NEED OF HIM HE IS THE PROVIDER AND SUSTAINER OF ALL THINGS BIG AND SMALL.
- NEITHER MOTHER NOR FATHER HAS HE AND HE WAS NOT CONCEIVED BY THE UNION OF ANY TWO, NOR DID HE CONCEIEVE AN INDIVIDUAL SON.
- AND NOTHING AND NO ONE CAN EQUAL HIM (FOR HE IS THE SUSTAINER OF MAJESTY WHO IS WITHOUT COMPANION OR COUNTERPART). HE IS ALONE (ON HIS MAGNIFICENT THRONE).
I would like to highlight verse 3, where it says, ?HE WAS NOT CONCEIVED BY THE UNION OF ANY TWO?. This means that Allah did not come into existence through sexual conception. All creatures are born, or have came into existence through a sexual conception. This description also sets Allah above all creation. This same verse continues by saying, ?NOR DID HE CONCEIVE AN INDIVIDUAL SON?. This means that Allah does not have sex. This description sets Allah above all creation, because all creation performs sex in one form or fashion, to reproduce. Allah is not a male nor a female, He (Allah) is not a human being. He (Allah) is a Spiritual Being, beyond the imagination of the mind of man. We (humans) can not conceive His (Allah?s) shape or form. The Creator (Allah) is beyond the scope of what mortal man perceives as infinity....
Qur?aan 6103
No vision can grasp Him. But His grasp is over all vision He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things.The whole chapter of Qur?aan 1121-4 destroys the following principles
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Belief in plurality of gods of the plurality of persons in godhead.
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Belief that other things possess the perfect attributes of the Divine Creator.
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Belief that anyone may be specially related to Allah - as a blood son or daughter of the Creator.
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Belief that others may do what is ascribable only to the Divine Creator.
Danish I have demonstrated inside the Qur?aan to prove that Huwa is He whom He is, which is The Creator of all that exists (visible and invisible), The Life Giver, The Majestic Creator and Sustainer of all whom we (Muslims) bow down and worship. Us Muslims Danish is still waiting for you to produce evidence inside the Qur?aan which reduces Allah to some idol diety, masculine, plural, feminine etc. etc. as you claim. Danish just sitting back inside your house on the computer alone and I?m sure along with your dirty socks and boxer making blanket statement inside the matrix (internet) but yet has failed to produce any evidence inside Al Qur?aan to back up your empty statements. I am not nor any clear thinking Muslim is moved by OPINIONS/STATEMENTS alone.
Danish more empty statements
?The word Allah was commonly attributed to many supreme gods of various cults and regions, such as the supreme god named Hubal of the meccan cults, which answers your concern of this word being used during and even long before Muhammad was born.?
No Danish that has not answered my concerns but it only exposes your attempted to mesmerize clear thinking Muslims. I would seriously advice you to read that link I left up above because again the existence Allah predates all those idols you attempted to associate Allah with.
You have said this
?I believe the word "Jehovah" has linguistic and transcriptional problems and therefore much disputed, but nonetheless and once again, it was a proper name of a deity and the Hebrews called him The God.?
Let me correct you real quick, the term ?Jehovah? is another man-made term that never existed in the original scriptures. In the Semitic language (Arabic, Aramaic, Hebrew) the letter ?j?, ?o?, ?v? does not exist. This is another concocted name so you are incorrect when you have said ?it was a proper name of a deity? and you continued shuffling and said, ?and the Hebrews called him The God?. Remember English did not exist and no scripture ever was revealed in English so this term ?GOD? was never heard of nor used by the people you are identifying as Hebrew. The Prophets of Allah who walked this earth never heard of these terms ?God & Jehovah?. Below is Ahmed Deedat?s book ?What Is His Name? breaking this all down for you
http//www.ahmed-deedat.co.za/books/Books/wihn/index.html
Danish what you said below is blasphemy of the highest degree
?Just like Jesus is a proper name and many Christians believe that he was/is God himself. In other words, Jesus was/is Allah.?
This is what the Holy Qur?aan says
Qur?aan 351
Surely Allah is my (the Messiah) Lord and your Lord, so therefore serve and worship Him (Allah) alone. This is a straight path.As we can see Isa (whom you call Jesus) denounce being Allah because he only worshiped Allah and he instructed us to worship Allah. It was your Christian people Danish who played a major role in tampering with the scriptures and changing the original name of the Creator to supplant their man-made greek pagan deity they called ?GOD? in the minds of the people. This is a trick the Jinn use to remove the roots of Islaam from the consciousness of the believers and misguide them under the name they fashion/fabricated with their own hands and wicket thoughts they call ?GOD?, thus it is not the same as Allah.
Below is another one of your fallacies
?Allah is a masculine form addressed by He, Him and His?
It amazes me Danish to see you use an English word ?He/Him? to derive a masculine of Allah. This form of logic will only work on Christians who are brain washed when it comes to Islaam. Danish let me ask you a question, was the Qur?aan revealed in Arabic or English? I ask you that because you are using English grammar/laws and applying that to the Arabic language, you cannot do that. Arabic has its own sets of laws that govern its own language, again which is definately not English. So when we Muslims read the English translation of Al Qur?aan and when we come across terms such as ?He/Him? we do not conjure up a masculine or any human being for that matter. Is this is all you can come with Danish. Are you that desperate for an argument to justify your position where you have to go into a separate language such as English and use their grammar/laws and apply that to a language which is foreign to that such as Arabic? Danish you also have said
?In Arabic you can change the letter "a" into a capital or small case.?
This does not apply in the Arabic language using the Creator's name ALLAH
No wonder Noble has said
?Danish, the corner shop atheist and PhD in Putrifaction thus spoke...?
I HAVE SAID
"Qur?aan 2111
They said, ?No one will enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian!? Such is their wishful thinking. Say, ?Show us your proof, if you are truthfulSo Danish (the Christian) Produce your proof if you are truthful!!.?
AND YOU RESPONDED BY SAYING
?Take this verse up with a Jew or a Christian.?
Since you are a christian that verse was appropriate and we are still waiting for the evidence/proof because Danish all you have done was present empty statements/opinions but never produced any solid evidence INSIDE THE QUR?AAN.
Salaam
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As Salaamu Alaykum Fatimah
This was a nice article that you gave us on the Arabic word Ibadah
http//www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/M_four_term/t4_ibadah.htm
I noticed how the article broke down the meaning of the word and I also noticed that the author of the article also used the word "worship" as part of its meaning. To bad that Samia couldn't read the article correctly. You know Fatimah some people's minds are blocked from understanding as written in Al Qur'aan.
Salaam
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Salaam idolfree
Qur'aan 2197
Hajj shall be observed in the specified months. Whoever sets out to observe Hajj shall refrain from sexual intercourse, misconduct, and arguments throughout Hajj. Whatever good you do, Allah is fully aware thereof. As you prepare your provisions for the journey, remember that the best provision is piety and righteousness. You shall observe Me, O you who possess intelligence.I see that you translate Hajj in this verse 2197 to mean DEBATE. Man this is way out. Not only you see 2 Salaat in Al Qur'aan and you don't physically prostrate but you actually translate Hajj in that verse to mean DEBATE.
I have another question for you idolfree, do you even fast during the month of Ramadaan. You know what I mean right, I'm asking if you physically abstain from eating, drinking etc. during Ramadaan or do Ramadaan have some way out meaning like the word Hajj has to you in verse 2197?
You guys are some way out Muslims.
Salaam
Peace be upon you Al Khidr,
Why would you translate "Hajj" in 2197 as Debate instead of Pilgrimage?
Because thats what it means. If you compile all of the verses with that root, the result will speak for itself.
Further, why would the God force some people to travel halfway around the world while others can cartwheel to the location.
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Peace be upon you Al Khidr,
Yes, hajja is debate. I have not come to a conclusion of abstaining(sawm) yet. I see examples where people were told top abstain(sawm) from talking for three days. I am still have not made the connections here yet.
Yes, I know it seems way out coming from tradition, thats why most follow what there fathers follow blindly. But I chose to use my God Given faculties to observe and verify and follow the best opinion(that which is verified).
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Al Khidr,
You've done nothing but circumvent. When one moves around in circles at Kaba, bows and prostrates toward a stone structure several times each and every day, runs back and forth amock a strip, gets into a devilish act of a stone throwing contest and calls upon Allah (emphasized to become The God in Arabic), one gets "dizzy". The remedy for this dizziness (going in circles and getting disoriented) is to take a doze of my earlier post, keeping in mind that your swirling claims has already been overthrown and debunked, hence there's no point of repeating myself. Better luck next time and take a course in Putrifaction, it may help you clense your system. ;D