?How does one talk with , God.

unknownuser

Salaam simple,

Oh I see that makes sense then, just curious as to the nature of the query.

I think we all do have some experience of this, in my personal experience that's certainly true. The intent would be important I think. Most people when faced or experiencing such a communication might disregard it or call it coincidence or whatever that might make things a bit more blurry and then some would call it a definite communication. It's like calling a glass half-full or half-empty I suppose. The ways and means I believe would differ from person to person and from situation to circumstances etc. I, personally, have always gone the direct route and it's never really failed me.

I look forward to what people have to say about this issue though. Thanks for the clarification.

You are absolutely right - i think most people just disregard it,And further more i believe we use/ are guided by Him other times but don't acknowledge that its Him guiding us though, that's if one is not going against Him -only then
can one expect it otherwise he leaves us to get lost/ go astray as He wills.

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savage_carrot

You are absolutely right - i think most people just disregard it,And further more i believe we use/ are guided by Him other times but don't acknowledge that its Him guiding us though, that's if one is not going against Him -only then
can one expect it otherwise he leaves us to get lost/ go astray as He wills.

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I agree with you. Some thoughts I think people are given chances and the lines of communication open if they choose it, the caveat being that once they receive it they would stop persisting in going against Him and try to change sincerely (once the truth comes to us we must not reject it etc). I suppose the more they refuse, the harder such communication gets. This might be another way of saying, it's not God that took Himself away, they did it themselves by the choices they made. Sadly, some might be so drastically mired in their own fallacious reasoning that they would refuse/reject and go to their graves so to say, whilst remaining astray/lost. Or could it be that some types would not really care and that would be the reason they would disregard it? I suppose all these shades of grey and trillions of variables would be best judged by Him as only He knows exactly what situations and circumstances they go through whilst rejecting/disregarding/accepting said communication.

As for those that don't acknowledge it being from God, yet are still guided as they are not going against Him, I suppose these might be the types who can see the truth in some way but not really the entire picture yet or something. Just like any of us probably might see the truth in some ways but not completely.

unknownuser

I agree with you. Some thoughts I think people are given chances and the lines of communication open if they choose it, the caveat being that once they receive it they would stop persisting in going against Him and try to change sincerely (once the truth comes to us we must not reject it etc). I suppose the more they refuse, the harder such communication gets. This might be another way of saying, it's not God that took Himself away, they did it themselves by the choices they made. Sadly, some might be so drastically mired in their own fallacious reasoning that they would refuse/reject and go to their graves so to say, whilst remaining astray/lost. Or could it be that some types would not really care and that would be the reason they would disregard it? I suppose all these shades of grey and trillions of variables would be best judged by Him as only He knows exactly what situations and circumstances they go through whilst rejecting/disregarding/accepting said communication.

As for those that don't acknowledge it being from God, yet are still guided as they are not going against Him, I suppose these might be the types who can see the truth in some way but not really the entire picture yet or something. Just like any of us probably might see the truth in some ways but not completely.

I agree;

And I think the advancing world tends to associate these things with the persons mind - the conscious mind and the sub-conscious various the quran adheres to you and Allah.

I don't know if you have ever checked but majority of things which are referred to be done by Allah in the quran, according to science are supposed to be done by the sub-conscious.

So what ever it could be, scientific findings aren't far off but just that the source is made different-I think.

Big Question Is it possible to say even the guidance you receive in your mind say the direction of your school the road map is from Allah also? What do you think?

i.e. if you think of your local school say instantly you get the direction as well as the map of where it is in your head.

? Salaam.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Simple,

I use Oracles

What is that?

It is divination. Using objects like cards, coins, etc where you ask a question and throw the coinsor pick cards to get the answer. It is similar to Tarot but a higher form. I am not sure that Tarot is a working system or not. Oracles are very popular in Eastern spirituality, African (Yoruba, Khametic, Akan, Santeria, etc) as well as China (I ching). The Bible speaks of the oracle called "urim and thummim"many times in the Old testament. In the New testament, When Jesus had to select another replacement for his 12 disciples he used this oracle to select the correct person.

In this reading(quran), Zakariah used oracles to see who would care for Marium.

5 years ago I would have laughed at such a notion, but today I firmly trust use and trust in them. I started a thread about it a while ago, but I am not experienced enough nor have the time to try to prove the through the forum. I can only say that my experience with them has been phenomenal!

Lastly, it has nothing to do with fortune telling, it is a means of figuring out in advance what CHANGES you will need to work in in your spirit to be prepared for upcoming events in your life. One cannot escape adversity, all one can do is prepare for it so that you can meet it with PEACE, rather then emotion.

unknownuser

Salaams idol,

Interesting- never come accross this before though.

In this reading(quran), Zakariah used oracles to see who would care for Marium.

Where?

Thanks.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Simple

(344) This is from the news of the unseen that We inspire to you. You were not with them when they cast oracles as to which one of them will be charged with Mary; you were not with them when they disputed.

Some translators have "cast lots" or "drew straws", all of which are oracular devices, but not as in depth as others.

The basis of this is the RUH ul QUDUS , or DIVINE ENERGY that is all over the world, that MOVES ALL THINGS. So when teh God tells us in this reading that IT answers the call of all callers, it is true, just most people dont know how to interpret the oracles, nor know about them.

I do not intend to spend time trying to prove them, i tried before and it is just too difficult to do over the phone especially since I am not qualified enough yet.

Lastly, Oracles are only used until one can develop the spirit enough to INTUIT the answers from The God within, that is the concept of Prophethood which we all have but most wont reach.

unknownuser

Salaams idol,

344
This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Messenger!) by inspiration Thou wast not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary Nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point).

53
........(forbidden) also is the division by raffling with arrows.......

590

.........and (divination by) arrows- an abomination..........

Sorry i don't know how you concluded raffling or any such thing is encouraged ,Br.

As you see 344 isn't an order but merely saying what some people where doing and not even who is doing it.

So oracles????????

Thanks though.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you,

I dont believe the same words are being used in 344, furthermore, why would we be given an empty statement in the reading(quan)? If there was a problem with what Zachariah did then it would have been addressed right there. Notonly is Zachariah not reprimanded, he even goes on to follow the advice of the Oracle and take care of Mariam. Had he done something that was wrong, why would he still be allowed to care for the Mother of Isa after using a "wicked" device?

Again, I can only advise you to come out of the "mainstream" religion box and see what others have to offer, which by the way is written in "mainstrem" texts.

savage_carrot

Interesting turn of events, let me post the verses so we can examine them

344 Thalika min anba-i alghaybi nooheehi ilayka wama kunta ladayhim ith yulqoona aqlamahum ayyuhum yakfulu maryama wama kunta ladayhim ith yakhtasimoona

53 Hurrimat AAalaykumu almaytatu waalddamu walahmu alkhinzeeri wama ohilla lighayri Allahi bihi waalmunkhaniqatu waalmawqoothatu waalmutaraddiyatu waalnnateehatu wama akala alssabuAAu illa ma thakkaytum wama thubiha AAala alnnusubi waan tastaqsimoo bial-azlami thalikum fisqun alyawma ya-isa allatheena kafaroo min deenikum fala takhshawhum waikhshawni alyawma akmaltu lakum deenakum waatmamtu AAalaykum niAAmatee waradeetu lakumu al-islama deenan famani idturra fee makhmasatin ghayra mutajanifin li-ithmin fa-inna Allaha ghafoorun raheemun

590 Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo innama alkhamru waalmaysiru waal-ansabu waal-azlamu rijsun min AAamali alshshaytani faijtaniboohu laAAallakum tuflihoona

Would be interested in knowing what the differences are since they are translated around the same. I tried checking in burhan, couldn't find a match for it, maybe someone can help? Pens and throwing is what I came up with.

Secondly

furthermore, why would we be given an empty statement in the reading(quan)? If there was a problem with what Zachariah did then it would have been addressed right there. Notonly is Zachariah not reprimanded, he even goes on to follow the advice of the Oracle and take care of Mariam. Had he done something that was wrong, why would he still be allowed to care for the Mother of Isa after using a "wicked" device?

I always thought that the people who did this 'raffle' thing were not inclusive of Zakirya. There is a possibility that they wrote down people's names on them, whether part of the group who actually participated in this or not after deciding, as the last phrase in 344 as 'you were not with them when they disputed.' doesn't seem like something zakirya would have done or taken part in, does it? If they were pulling straws (with no names and the shortest straw gets it) then they would have to all be involved and if it was a draw or something then no, they didn't need to involve all the people who were included in the names. I don't know, unless the difference is determined, we can't really reach a conclusion.

Big Question Is it possible to say even the guidance you receive in your mind say the direction of your school the road map is from Allah also? What do you think?

i.e. if you think of your local school say instantly you get the direction as well as the map of where it is in your head.

Hmm, that's a bit difficult to determine as that would be tapping into two things here, inspiration and memory. Intuition I think is related with memory and works in the background with it, maybe that's a mixture of inspiration and memory, don't know. I believe there are differences between them, however slight but maybe they have a running theme in common in some scenario's. Kinda hard to determine these things when we don't rightly know how everything works to the finest detail.

Peace

unknownuser

Salaams idol,savage,

for what its worth
According to my understanding of the grammer

Qalama = To cut or pierce.Q.D
Aqalama = He cut or pierced.
Aqlama = They cut or pierced.

Yalqauna = they meet. Q.D

So they meet to decide which of them takes care of Mary??

But this could be wrong aswell.

GOD BLESS.

Fahad1

Peace all.

Interesting stuff.

Peace be upon you,

Me personally, I use Oracles to "talk" with the God just like Zachariah did.

The verse doesn't say that they threw their pens to "talk" or communicate with God.

It is divination. Using objects like cards, coins, etc where you ask a question and throw the coinsor pick cards to get the answer.

The only objects mentioned in the verse are "their pens".

So the use of other objects would be, what do we call it... 'unquranic'.

What do you think?

Thanks and peace.

unknownuser

Salaams savage,

Quote from simple
Big Question Is it possible to say even the guidance you receive in your mind say the direction of your school the road map is from Allah also? What do you think?

i.e. if you think of your local school say instantly you get the direction as well as the map of where it is in your head.

Hmm, that's a bit difficult to determine as that would be tapping into two things here, inspiration and memory. Intuition I think is related with memory and works in the background with it, maybe that's a mixture of inspiration and memory, don't know. I believe there are differences between them, however slight but maybe they have a running theme in common in some scenarios. Kinda hard to determine these things when we don't rightly know how everything works to the finest detail.

Yes, only unfortunate thing is the quran doesn?t talk about the workings of the sub-conscious and we do according to our understanding of the present day.

And according to this ?

It Calculates, Plots and Plans and never makes a mistake.

Which is what Allah does.

But I think I can?t say where Allah is but we do know where the subconscious is, and may be Allah works via this biological device to influence us in different ways if one deserves enough.

Salaams.

savage_carrot

Peace simple,

It Calculates, Plots and Plans and never makes a mistake.

A clarification, are you referring to the subconscious? How do you determine it never makes a mistake?

Fahad1

for what its worth
According to my understanding of the grammer

Qalama = To cut or pierce.Q.D
Aqalama = He cut or pierced.
Aqlama = They cut or pierced.

Yalqauna = they meet. Q.D

So they meet to decide which of them takes care of Mary??

But this could be wrong aswell.

Yes, I think it is .

The verse says "yulqoona/they threw aqlaama-hum/their pens" .

"aqlaama" here is the plural of "qalam"/pen.

unknownuser

Peace simple,

A clarification, are you referring to the subconscious? How do you determine it never makes a mistake?

I am not saying that , but that is what science or research is saying.

I thought every body knows this.

God Bless.

unknownuser

Yes, I think it is .

The verse says "yulqoona/they threw aqlaama-hum/their pens" .

"aqlaama" here is the plural of "qalam"/pen.

Sorry My Brother but prophets don't rely on the throw of a dice - so it can't be what you have suggested.Prophets relied on Allah's guidance.
Simerlarly just because this word means a pen aswell it doesn't mean that is the only thing it means in the ayah it is a simple mistranslation of a sort.

But thanks for your hand.

God Bless.

savage_carrot

I am not saying that , but that is what science or research is saying.

I thought every body knows this.

God Bless.

I see. Can you point me to any articles done that determine the subconscious never makes a mistake? I would like to read up on it. I searched and came up with this amongst others so apparently it's not too well known. Maybe you mean the sunconscious remembers everything which is different from making mistakes? Peace.

Fahad1

Sorry My Brother but prophets don't rely on the throw of a dice

I didn't say that they do.

so it can't be what you have suggested.

And what did I suggest?

Prophets relied on Allah's guidance.

Sure.

Simerlarly just because this word means a pen aswell it doesn't mean that is the only thing it means in the ayah

What else does it mean in the Quran? The only other verse that mentions "aqlaam" is 3127.

it is a simple mistranslation of a sort.

How?

But thanks for your hand.

No problem .

God Bless.

Peace.

AspeRin

peace all handshake
and (divination by) arrows- an abomination.....nowadays its the socalled lottery
oracle but more like an object that will answer your question.
oracle
1 a a person (as a priestess of ancient Greece) through whom a deity is believed to speak b a shrine in which a deity reveals hidden knowledge or the divine purpose through such a person c an answer or decision given by an oracle
2 a a person giving wise or authoritative decisions or opinions b an authoritative or wise expression or answer

the answer comes!believe it!it works and it doesnt have to be an object u can use time,numbers,views,words u hear,everything its connected.keep alert and youll see how allah its everywhere.seek refuge from the evident enemy that makes u forget allah.
peace handshake

unknownuser

Salam,
I just wanted to add a few things and also pose a question about the following two verses

2186Transliteration Wa-itha saalaka AAibadee AAannee fa-innee qareebun ojeebu daAAwata alddaAAi itha daAAani falyastajeeboo lee walyu/minoo bee laAAallahum yarshudoona

4060Transliteration Waqala rabbukumu odAAoonee astajib lakum inna allatheena yastakbiroona AAan AAibadatee sayadkhuloona jahannama dakhireena

Both of these verses use the root word "du'a" (in bold) which (according to Hans Wehr and Lane) translates as
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to call (someone), to summon (someone), call or send for someone, to assign someone to something (government), to appeal to sonmeone for something
invite, urge someone, to invite, ask to come
to challenge, move, induce, prompt (someone to do something)
to call someone by a name , to be called, be named
to invoke, wish someone well, bless, invoke a blessing on someone, implore for something for someone
to curse (to invoke God against someone), call down evil, invoke evil
to propagate, propagandize, make propeganda, make publicity
to challenge, pick a qurrel, 9. to proceed judiciously against, prosecute, testify, give evidence in court, bring an accuasation (in court)
to evoke one another (thoughts reminiscences, sentiments)
to be associated with each other (thoughts, ideas)
to be dilapidated, be tumble-down, threaten to fall (walls)
to sink, fall, cave in
to fall down, sink to the ground (person)
to collapse, break down, decline, degenerate (fig. of a cultural phenomenon)
to flock together rally
to allege, claim, maintain
to make undue claims, arrogate, assume unduly or presumptuously
to affect, feign, simulate, pretend, purport
blame, hold something against someone
to call or appoint (someone to a chair for example)

These are the many definitions that are given in the two dictionaries. I think that as time went on the words were used in different ways and the language evolved. But I like to get to the root of the root. So my guess would be that a good english definition to sum up the root would be to "call, or summon." The word "invoke" comes to mind too.

Which brings us to the subject of Oracles or a means to "call, summon or even invoke" God. If you think about it, don't we use the Quran for guidance and is that so different than using other "oracles" such as casting lots or drawing straws In fact one could say that the Quran is an oracle in the sense that we use it to make decisions, get direction, insight and guidance.

So I was looking further at the above verses and I focused on
the next key root word that is being used in this verse is "jubb" (in red).
Here are the definitions as I found them in Hans Wehr and Lane
(plural )

well, cistern; pit
to cut something or cut something off.
extirpating or cutting off of genitals.
To fecundate palmtrees
.
To surpass, or overcome, a people, or compony of men in grounds of pretension to respect or honour, or
in beauty, and in any or every manner.
a whiteness of the legs
rising to the knee and the hock of a horse.
the act of withdrawing from a thing outwardly or inwardly. The act of shrinking or being averse from something.
the act of fleeing
The act of vying, or contending for
superiority, in goodliness, or beauty.
vest or tunic or quilted garmet
coat of mail or defense.
Cutting off of the hump of a camel.
Butter or what is produced by churning camels milk.
the earth in general

and the next word after that in the Lane dictionary is (jubba)
which roughly is defined as to restrain, refrain or forebear.

Is this the word that is most commonly translated as "answer?"

Thoughts on this would be appreciated.
Salam