Sunni scholar unable to answer a question on live TV infront of millions.
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For those who know fluent Arabic, you gotta watch this. It's very sad actually that this live broadcast most likely casted doubt on millions, just because the Sunni scholars don't know what "What your right hand posseses" means....
This is a scholar of Al-Azhar University, one of the top Sunni Islamic universities in the world.Part 1 http//youtube.com/watch?v=cpgCO3I5Qls
Part 2 http//youtube.com/watch?v=dgPMMADP9qc
Part 3 http//youtube.com/watch?v=SwOr_vnBUTkThere are 3 parts..
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Thank you for these very interesting videos!
I wish I had the time to translate them. I would have loved to share their content with you if my circmstances were better.I liked the discussion of the woman a lot. She is far smarter than the two sheikhs, and was able to uncover their hypocrisy...in style!!
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Everyone I know in the middle east watches this channel..
I hope they didn't see this because their faith is linked to hadith and the current understanding of Islam.
When it comes to this hadith/tadition confusion we face today, IGNORANCE IS BLISS.
Your average Muslim, prays, fasts, and lives a life with faith, without getting into these issues. Allah is the All Merciful, these people who live such a life have pure intentions. It's the scholars that mess everything up...So..ya.. When you have people who don't know the core issues, it's better they stay in their pure intentions.
This live broadcast did a lot of damage, increasing the amount of apostates...
If you check the arabic forums, they are all confused about this issue.
Salam.
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Peace
Islam is not a religion based pure intentions and blind faith. It is a religion based on reasoning, investigation, questioning and reflecting. If people are not using their reason God likens them to cattle and he implores us to verify what we find. It is easy for people to be lead astray if they just "follow what they found their fathers doing" and that will not be an excuse for them when they are in front of God. In other worrds a muslim should INDEED get involved in these issues,in fact it is your duty to understand your religion, becuase it is a very serious matter. If peope were questioning and using their minds we would not have such a terrible ignorance in the Islamic world and there would be no need for scholars. Everyone has a brain. I hope people are shaken by it.
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is there anyone who have answered this mystery?
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This is a quick translation of the first two parts. I could not download part three. When it becomes downloadable I will translate it
Part 1
At first the two scholars were reluctant to discuss the question of ?maa malakat aymaanukum?.
The broadcaster insisted, saying that on the internet and media in general, just one critic of Islam discussed the issue 20 times and non of our scholars or the public was able to answer , and that this ignorance led to our children be apostates. The scholar insisted that they should not answer these discussions, just te way you will not bark back at a dog. At the end she succeeded in making them talk
Scholar MMA is there in the qur?aan. Shall we remove it or what?
BC But if someone gets a MMA, he will be committing a crime. Yes or no?
Sheikh How can he get one? He should be involved in war, and if he is victorious, she, her father and all her clan will be MMA.
It?s a deterrent so that no one attacks Muslims
Scholar It is not about men being lustrous. Women too have MMA. But because a woman is pure, chaste and guards her private parts, she sets them free, so that there won?t be any mixture of genealogy.
Part 2
BC Why do you think we are discussing the problem? To attack or to defend Islam?
Scholar Of course you want to defend.
BC Then why the sheikh boycotted the program?
Shouldn?t we ask these questions and learn, or just sweep them under the carpet?
Sheikh Of course we should discuss them, but I won?t go to the mosque and do it in a speech for the Friday prayer. Is it the only problem of women?
(Sheikh re-enters . He?s back to insisting not to discuss such a topic)
BC What is the legal status of this MMA? Isn?t it permissible?
Sheikh But this applies to non believers, uncivilized nations, people who have no morals; but the ?shar3/Islamic law? wants this door closed.
BC What the law wishes is something, and reality is another. The prophet died and slavery was not prohibited. Yes or No?
Sheikh Yes
BC Good! So MMA is permissible?
Sheikh You want to ask people to go kidnap women?
BC No. I am not. We are referring to the dialogue with the West. How can we prepare a dialogue to reply to the other?
Sheikh I am against that. We should discuss what we may agree upon.
BC In the qur?aan there?s discussion of other faith and address to them. Does Islam allow them to discuss our faith?
Sheikh No. Tell them take it or leave it. It is a preconceived animosity to Islam they either not believe in it or criticize it
BC OK. And if we are asked?
Sheikh these are legal topics not to be discussed.
BC 90% of muslims, and I am one of them, we do not know the wisdom behind MMA
Sheikh Not important that you know.
BC But how do we understand MMA?
Sheikh Are you going to analyse God?s wisdom?
BC This is not about God?s wisdom. It?s about human right.
Sheikh It?s up to everyone what to do.
BC 2-3 years ago the supreme council of Islamic affairs held a conference in which they discussed accusations against Islam, and Dr Zagzoug published a big book addressing and responding to these accusations made by non muslims. But the historical question we want to understand together is What are the sources of slavery in Islam Is it just the wars? -
thanks for that Samia, that's alot of effort. just one question
"maa malakat aymaanukum" means whom your right had possesses?Yes, and you are welcome!
Sorry I should have clarified this.
BC broadcaster; Sheikh The scholar in a cloak; Scholar the other man in a suit (from lazhar) -
Unfortunately, this is the message I received in response to non-availability of part 3
"This video has been removed due to terms of use violation"
This is why I was never able to download it! I think this is the most interesting part.Salam samia
The Part three is not removed it is still there. this is the problem with youtube some time you have to try again and again to watch a video.Just try
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Unfortunately, this is the message I received in response to non-availability of part 3
"This video has been removed due to terms of use violation"
This is why I was never able to download it! I think this is the most interesting part.Salaam Samia
Thanks a lot for your effort, as Afridi says next part is avalible, we would look forward to more at your convience.
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Salaam farida, afridi and all
You are welcome. It was a pleasure translating it becuase then I had to pay attention to every word, which I do not usually do when listening. It is good to know it is still there. I will check and translate part 3, God willing. -
Part 3
BC What were the sources of slavery for muslims? Was it just war or trade as well?
Scholar All markets in Makkah were known and none of them were slavery markets, and God has blessed their trade in Chapter 106.
BC But how did Khadiga acquired Zaid bin Harith?
Scholar She did not buy him. He was a gift from her nephew who bought it from some bandits who stole the kid.
BC This means she accepted the gift knowing that the kid was stolen, then why didn?t she free him?
Scholar At that time islam was not revealed yet, and the prophet was just a kid.
(the sheikh is interrupting and grumbling, not happy with such questions. The BC turns towards him)
BC Please be patient with me. I am unable to say a single word
Sheikh I am surprised that there is a program that discusses matters not for discussion.
BC Is this how you speak to anyone who wants to talk to you?
Sheikh I have decide, if I live, not to accept any invitation (to talk)
BC Where should we turn then with our questions?
Sheik Not every question that comes to the mind should be asked
BC Do we have to select the questions in advance?
Sheikh You are an educated woman speaking on behalf of the people. Just like they go to the doctor in his clinic and to the mechanics in his workshop, they should go to their sheikh in the local mosque.
BC Is this acceptable? Should I tell them they are ignorant and should be educated in order to be able to ask Dr. Jamal al-Banna?
Sheikh Of course, of course; and I repeat it. Who is not pleased let them explode (aka my way or the highway).
Scholar The media is also an education venue and entered every home...
Sheikh (interrupting) do you accept to discuss MMA in one episode?
Scholar No, of course, but she asks a question on behalf of people who have no access to us. The questions were not prepared in advance
Sheikh They should be programmed in advance...Against her strategy
Scholar That?s Ok; it is about Zaid only...we talk about Zaid. His father was very sad and made poetry wondering where his son was or if he was alive or dead. He was sold in the market place. As you know from Arabs history tribes used to invade each other at night. There are very sad stories...I will talk about some, just to move away from this tension. A man had a dog, a rooster and a goat. The rooster died, he said (Alhamdulillah), then the dog died (he said Alhamdulillah) and the goat died and he said (Alhamdulillah). He then realized that this was for his and his family?s salvation, because another tribe invaded the area. If these animals were alive, they would have made voices that would have alerted the enemy to his home, and he and his family would have been murdered or taken in captivity. Then came islam and declared that ?the whole muslim person is prohibited to another muslim his money; his blood and his land?, and that it prohibited incest and flirting with the wife of your brother, and ordered the Muslim to pay for getting married and the pay should be equivalent to her status and not less . We need three thousand episodes to teach them how to protect the chastity of muslims , and about the strong oath between the couple, and about not disciplining the woman and deserting the bed and all this nonsense.
BC Sir, I have a comment with which I would like to end the discussion. When this discussion started, it took dimensions that were not planned or expected, in summary we shall say, please do not attempt to discuss issues that call for lot of talk because we are not ready for that, and may God be your and our guardian. I will end this episode by saying that I will reverse the introduction ?let?s ask?, and say ?asking is useless and should confront the scholars when everyone is ready?. Thanks to our scholars, and I hope that you consider this episode as an alarm to what?s happening to the Islamic call today. -
salam. this verse is a perfect example of where those who were raised speaking a dialect should be careful not to confuse their understanding of their dialect, with understanding the quran.
al azhar is an egyptian school of islamic study, which acquired the title of university in egypt. egyptians speak a language called masri. masri originated in the lower nile delta, and was heavily influenced by the copto-egytian language. later it was influenced by turkish, french, and english. masri has heavily influenced arabic due to the influence of egyptian television shows and movies in the arab world. there is also another language called maghrabi, which the speakers refer to as a dialect, found towards the western end of north africa.
quranic arabic, is based on the medieval arabic of the hijazi tribes of quraish, from saudi arabia. quranic arabic has similarities in pronounciation and conjugation to hebrew, aramaic, and amharic.
the difference in languages is not evident to a person who has not lived in the middle east, however those who speak, read and write arabic, and have lived in saudi arabia, egypt, and morocco, can attest to the differences. these differences are not insignificant.
the commonly found translation of, illa ma malkat aymanakum, except those whom your right hands possess, has problems, and the problem is well known to azhar students as well as hijazi arabs. malkat is a derivative of malik, malik is usually translated as king, mulk is translated as kingdom, malaik is translated as angels, however malkat has another form, possession. the word aymanakum, is derived from yamin, the right, as in a right turn direction, there is a minor use of the term to indicate right hand possession, as in your right hand. the major usage tend to indicate the translation to be, except those who you rule of the right turn, which causes difficulties in comprehension.
the result is some students of the quran believe this is a reference to those who are possessed and controlled as a matter of right. however, on cannot exclude other possibilities, for example those who are in your guardianship who have made the right choices. there could be other conclusions that i am unaware of. presently there is no evidence i am aware of as to how this phrase was implemented in the hijaz during the time of muhammad. this term malkat aymankum may have been used to define a slave. there is also the possibility that this may be of a future usage of which we are currently unaware.
the azhar students are aware that some women are opposed to the concept of being inheritances, wards of a guardian, indentured servants, or slaves. whether they are opposed to these concepts or not, rather than attempt to harass azhar students, they should come to their own conclusions as to whether they are opposed to these concepts and if they are, then make a decision if the laws of allah are acceptable to them or not. azhar students are not a whipping post for their issues with quran verses.
allah is the law.