This Sunday is Ramadan's first day...

Edip_Yuksel

This Sunday is Ramadan's first full day. I hope our fasting will improve our character and guide us to be more righteous and God-concious people.

Peace,
Edip

belH

Please refer to above post

afridi220

http//www.aididsafar.com/fast.html

elektro eat

IronSky

Peace to all,

Why does it start this sunday, i thought many of us fasted started the month of the scorching moon, which statrted on the full moon of July 18 until the next full oon started on August 16, thats when I fasted, so if there should b3 a different time let me know

Kurt

belH

http//www.aididsafar.com/fast.html

elektro eat

According to data blow, Edip can be right

http//aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/MoonPhase.php

2008 Phases of the Moon
Universal Time

NEW MOON FIRST QUARTER FULL MOON LAST QUARTER

d h m d h m d h m d h m

JAN. 8 11 37 JAN. 15 19 46 JAN. 22 13 35 JAN. 30 5 03
FEB. 7 3 44 FEB. 14 3 33 FEB. 21 3 30 FEB. 29 2 18
MAR. 7 17 14 MAR. 14 10 46 MAR. 21 18 40 MAR. 29 21 47
APR. 6 3 55 APR. 12 18 32 APR. 20 10 25 APR. 28 14 12
MAY 5 12 18 MAY 12 3 47 MAY 20 2 11 MAY 28 2 57
JUNE 3 19 23 JUNE 10 15 04 JUNE 18 17 30 JUNE 26 12 10
JULY 3 2 19 JULY 10 4 35 JULY 18 7 59 JULY 25 18 42
AUG. 1 10 13 AUG. 8 20 20 AUG. 16 21 16 AUG. 23 23 50
AUG. 30 19 58 SEPT. 7 14 04 SEPT. 15 9 13 SEPT. 22 5 04
SEPT. 29 8 12 OCT. 7 9 04 OCT. 14 20 02 OCT. 21 11 55
OCT. 28 23 14 NOV. 6 4 03 NOV. 13 6 17 NOV. 19 21 31
NOV. 27 16 55 DEC. 5 21 26 DEC. 12 16 37 DEC. 19 10 29
DEC. 27 12 22

If new Moon starts in August 30 at 758PM (today after SunSet), then Suday could be the first day.
Please read
http//aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/islamic.php

Peace

belH

Peace to all,

Why does it start this sunday, i thought many of us fasted started the month of the scorching moon, which statrted on the full moon of July 18 until the next full oon started on August 16, thats when I fasted, so if there should b3 a different time let me know

Kurt

Peace,
Are you from Ayman's Sect. Please read the following

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.new;topicseen#new

Peace

IronSky

Peace to all,

yes I am a fellow kool-aid drinker along with ayman, we are sectarians that rejoice in that which is with us, i reject all the rest of you as misguided kafars, so obey God and obey brother ayman or else,

Kurt

farida

This Sunday is Ramadan's first full day. I hope our fasting will improve our character and guide us to be more righteous and God-concious people.

Peace,
Edip

Salaam
Ramadan starts from Sunday evening and first fast is on Monday

http//www.moonsighting.com/

Happy fasting handshake

belH

Peace to all,

i reject all the rest of you as misguided kafars, so obey God and obey brother ayman or else,

Kurt

;D

Do Not follow thou the vain desires of such as treat Our Verses as falsehoods

But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and believe in the (Revelation) sent down to Muhammad-for it is the Truth from their Lord He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition (47-2)

This because those who are disblelievers follow falsehood, while those who are believers follow the Truth from their Lord Thus does Allah set forth for men their lessons by similitudes. (47-3)

Brother Ayman or Messanger Ayman?

afridi220

According to data blow, Edip can be right

http//aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/MoonPhase.php

2008 Phases of the Moon
Universal Time

NEW MOON FIRST QUARTER FULL MOON LAST QUARTER

d h m d h m d h m d h m

JAN. 8 11 37 JAN. 15 19 46 JAN. 22 13 35 JAN. 30 5 03
FEB. 7 3 44 FEB. 14 3 33 FEB. 21 3 30 FEB. 29 2 18
MAR. 7 17 14 MAR. 14 10 46 MAR. 21 18 40 MAR. 29 21 47
APR. 6 3 55 APR. 12 18 32 APR. 20 10 25 APR. 28 14 12
MAY 5 12 18 MAY 12 3 47 MAY 20 2 11 MAY 28 2 57
JUNE 3 19 23 JUNE 10 15 04 JUNE 18 17 30 JUNE 26 12 10
JULY 3 2 19 JULY 10 4 35 JULY 18 7 59 JULY 25 18 42
AUG. 1 10 13 AUG. 8 20 20 AUG. 16 21 16 AUG. 23 23 50
AUG. 30 19 58 SEPT. 7 14 04 SEPT. 15 9 13 SEPT. 22 5 04
SEPT. 29 8 12 OCT. 7 9 04 OCT. 14 20 02 OCT. 21 11 55
OCT. 28 23 14 NOV. 6 4 03 NOV. 13 6 17 NOV. 19 21 31
NOV. 27 16 55 DEC. 5 21 26 DEC. 12 16 37 DEC. 19 10 29
DEC. 27 12 22

If new Moon starts in August 30 at 758PM (today after SunSet), then Suday could be the first day.
Please read
http//aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/islamic.php

Peace

you did not ansawered the claims in that post. laugh

Ahmad_Bilal

Peace to all,

yes I am a fellow kool-aid drinker along with ayman, we are sectarians that rejoice in that which is with us, i reject all the rest of you as misguided kafars, so obey God and obey brother ayman or else,

Kurt

laugh laugh laugh

belH

you did not ansawered the claims in that post. laugh

Peace,
Please refere to the following

http//aa.usno.navy.mil/idltemp/current_moon.php

In which you can sight the Moon Yourself
Peace

afridi220

Peace,
Please refere to the following

http//aa.usno.navy.mil/idltemp/current_moon.php

In which you can sight the Moon Yourself
Peace

sorry i think the moon sighting is not the right method, lets take the prophet birth day for example it rotate freely and never comes in same season same apply to ramadan and haaj and eids.

if you was born on feb 20 and it was first hijra next year it should fall same month on 20 feb and same season.

do you now the hindi or punjabi months name i will show you they are based on season and never change.

if month of ramadan was the name of a month based on season then it should come on same season.

here are the nams of the months

January - Magha
February - Phalguna
March - Chaitra
April - Vaishaka
May - Jyaistha
June - Asadha
July - Srawana
August - Bhadrapada
September - Asvina
October - Kartikka
November - Magasirsa
December ? Pousha

Following are the months of Punjabi caendar year
1- Chait
2-Bisakh
3-jaith
4-Haarh
5-saawin
6-Bhadoon
7- Asvij
8- Katik
9- Maghar
10- Poh
11- Maagh
12 Phagun

peace

sun jedi

belH

sorry i think the moon sighting is not the right method, lets take the prophet birth day for example it rotate freely and never comes in same season same apply to ramadan and haaj and eids.

if you was born on feb 20 and it was first hijra next year it should fall same month on 20 feb and same season.

do you now the hindi or punjabi months name i will show you they are based on season and never change.

if month of ramadan was the name of a month based on season then it should come on same season.

here are the nams of the months

January - Magha
February - Phalguna
March - Chaitra
April - Vaishaka
May - Jyaistha
June - Asadha
July - Srawana
August - Bhadrapada
September - Asvina
October - Kartikka
November - Magasirsa
December ? Pousha

Following are the months of Punjabi caendar year
1- Chait
2-Bisakh
3-jaith
4-Haarh
5-saawin
6-Bhadoon
7- Asvij
8- Katik
9- Maghar
10- Poh
11- Maagh
12 Phagun

peace

sun jedi

(&#1641

They ask thee concerning the New Moons (Crescent). Say they are but signs to mark fixed periods of time for men, and for pilgrimage. It is no virtue if ye enter your houses from the back; it is virtue if ye fear Allah. Enter houses through the proper doors and fear Allah that ye may prosper. (2-189)

Thus? the mark of Ramadan month is the beginning of new moon, according to Quran and not to Me or You.

Peace

afridi220

(&#1641

They ask thee concerning the New Moons (Crescent). Say they are but signs to mark fixed periods of time for men, and for pilgrimage. It is no virtue if ye enter your houses from the back; it is virtue if ye fear Allah. Enter houses through the proper doors and fear Allah that ye may prosper. (2-189)

Thus? the mark of Ramadan month is the beginning of new moon, according to Quran and not to Me or You.

Peace

)ISNA INCORRECT Hijri Dates
For 2006 ISNA dates were calculated by ?the Conjunction before 1200 Noon GMT.?

On August 1, 2007 ISNA Fiqh Council (ISNA FC) changed its rules for Ramadan and Eidain again. Now ISNA Islamic calendar dates are by ? the conjunction must take place before sunset in Makkah and moonset after sunset in Makkah? (Both calculations rejected the visible Hilal). The Muslim organizations, groups and some ME countries have dispensed with the Hilal-sighting requirement. They argue ?There is no need for the Muslims to resort to actual sighting.? (Dr. Z Shah (Islamic Horizons (Sep/Oct. 2006) p. 51)

Saudi Dates of Ramadan, Eidain and Hajj
Saudi dates are not fixed by the crescent moon seen in Makka. Since 1999 (1420AH) Saudi first date of Ramadan, etc. begins at sunset of the 29th day if

The geocentric conjunction (NM) occurs before sunset; and
The moon sets after the sun (in Makka).

ISNA followed Saudi dates for decades and has finally discarded the moon-sighting in the USA. Islamic Hijri dates published in the ISNA calendar and on the web of Mr. Khalid Shaukat (www.moonsighting.com) copy the Saudi dates and are incorrect. For correct dates (always fixed by Hilal in the US go to www.Islamicmoon.com.

CFCO Intl. moon-watch ensures that a Hilal is actually observed within the US.

Islamic Dates Mess

Saudi/ISNA Calendar ia calculated by the Conjunction (NM) in Makkah;
Libya follows the Conjunction Before Dawn
Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, Turkey, Bosnia, Tunis, etc. calculate by lunar altitude of 3-5 degrees at sunset (never seen).
European Fatwa Council (ECFR), and other Muslim organizations follow S. Arabia.
Some UK Muslim groups have adopted ?Morocco sighting? as valid for UK.
Toronto Council in 2007 decided to go by a sighting in the Caribbean. Some Mosques in New York, Buffalo, etc. follow Toronto decision.
Chicago based Shari?ah Board accepts all claims of sighting. For them the Calculations or non-sighting of the Hilal in California (claimed seen in Chicago) are ?Not valid Shari?ah arguments? to reject the Chicago claim.
Connecticut Council of Masajid (USA) decides dates strictly by local CT sighting.
Only Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Morocco, Oman, South Africa, etc follow a locally sighted moon.

Fist Fights and Blame Games?

The yearly season for fistfights among the Muslims begins from Ramadan and ends with Muharram. The fasting month starts and Eids celebrated on 4 -5 different solar dates and the world laughs. But everyone blames the others for the mess.

Allah and His Messenger (S) have provided clear guidance of Ahilla (waxing crescent moons) for us to start / end the Islamic month. That is how the Muslims have determined the beginning of an Islamic month for fifteen centuries.

o

belH

)ISNA INCORRECT Hijri Dates
For 2006 ISNA dates were calculated by ?the Conjunction before 1200 Noon GMT.?

On August 1, 2007 ISNA Fiqh Council (ISNA FC) changed its rules for Ramadan and Eidain again. Now ISNA Islamic calendar dates are by ? the conjunction must take place before sunset in Makkah and moonset after sunset in Makkah? (Both calculations rejected the visible Hilal). The Muslim organizations, groups and some ME countries have dispensed with the Hilal-sighting requirement. They argue ?There is no need for the Muslims to resort to actual sighting.? (Dr. Z Shah (Islamic Horizons (Sep/Oct. 2006) p. 51)

Saudi Dates of Ramadan, Eidain and Hajj
Saudi dates are not fixed by the crescent moon seen in Makka. Since 1999 (1420AH) Saudi first date of Ramadan, etc. begins at sunset of the 29th day if

The geocentric conjunction (NM) occurs before sunset; and
The moon sets after the sun (in Makka).

ISNA followed Saudi dates for decades and has finally discarded the moon-sighting in the USA. Islamic Hijri dates published in the ISNA calendar and on the web of Mr. Khalid Shaukat (www.moonsighting.com) copy the Saudi dates and are incorrect. For correct dates (always fixed by Hilal in the US go to www.Islamicmoon.com.

CFCO Intl. moon-watch ensures that a Hilal is actually observed within the US.

Islamic Dates Mess

Saudi/ISNA Calendar ia calculated by the Conjunction (NM) in Makkah;
Libya follows the Conjunction Before Dawn
Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, Turkey, Bosnia, Tunis, etc. calculate by lunar altitude of 3-5 degrees at sunset (never seen).
European Fatwa Council (ECFR), and other Muslim organizations follow S. Arabia.
Some UK Muslim groups have adopted ?Morocco sighting? as valid for UK.
Toronto Council in 2007 decided to go by a sighting in the Caribbean. Some Mosques in New York, Buffalo, etc. follow Toronto decision.
Chicago based Shari?ah Board accepts all claims of sighting. For them the Calculations or non-sighting of the Hilal in California (claimed seen in Chicago) are ?Not valid Shari?ah arguments? to reject the Chicago claim.
Connecticut Council of Masajid (USA) decides dates strictly by local CT sighting.
Only Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Morocco, Oman, South Africa, etc follow a locally sighted moon.

Fist Fights and Blame Games?

The yearly season for fistfights among the Muslims begins from Ramadan and ends with Muharram. The fasting month starts and Eids celebrated on 4 -5 different solar dates and the world laughs. But everyone blames the others for the mess.

Allah and His Messenger (S) have provided clear guidance of Ahilla (waxing crescent moons) for us to start / end the Islamic month. That is how the Muslims have determined the beginning of an Islamic month for fifteen centuries.

o

According to the links where you can witness the Moon yourself, when should we start fasting?

http//aa.usno.navy.mil/idltemp/current_moon.php

http//aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/MoonPhase.php
http//aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/islamic.php
http//aa.usno.navy.mil/graphics/Moon_movie.gif

belH

sorry i think the moon sighting is not the right method, lets take the prophet birth day for example it rotate freely and never comes in same season same apply to ramadan and haaj and eids.

if you was born on feb 20 and it was first hijra next year it should fall same month on 20 feb and same season.

Peace
A very Good answer to this is in

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596845.0

afridi220

Peace
A very Good answer to this is in

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596845.0

nope a lam exscuse -*

afridi220

Please see the following link

http//www.iki.rssi.ru/mirrors/stern/stargaze/Sjewcale.htm

Keeping up with both Sun and Moon
If the Jewish calendar only followed the Moon, it would get quickly out of step with the seasons, which follow the cycle of the Sun--the holidays would migrate and you might get Passover in the fall, Rosh Hashanah in the spring, Chanukkah in mid-summer. That is what happens in the Moslem calendar, which only follows the moon.
Consider the month of Ramadan, when observant Moslems fast from sunrise to sundown. Ramadan this year was in early winter--the best time, because days are short, nights are long, your fasts are short too and you do not get too thirsty from heat. But wait 15 years! Then Ramadan will have migrated to mid-summer, when days are at their longest, the heat makes you quite thirsty (especially in countries like Arabia and Egypt), and fasting all day long is a much greater ordeal.

But the ancient Babylonians found a way to keep up with both the moon and the sun. Their priests were excellent astronomers--helped, no doubt, by the clear skies in a country perched at the edge of the desert.

belH

Please see the following link

http//www.iki.rssi.ru/mirrors/stern/stargaze/Sjewcale.htm

Keeping up with both Sun and Moon
If the Jewish calendar only followed the Moon, it would get quickly out of step with the seasons, which follow the cycle of the Sun--the holidays would migrate and you might get Passover in the fall, Rosh Hashanah in the spring, Chanukkah in mid-summer. That is what happens in the Moslem calendar, which only follows the moon.
Consider the month of Ramadan, when observant Moslems fast from sunrise to sundown. Ramadan this year was in early winter--the best time, because days are short, nights are long, your fasts are short too and you do not get too thirsty from heat. But wait 15 years! Then Ramadan will have migrated to mid-summer, when days are at their longest, the heat makes you quite thirsty (especially in countries like Arabia and Egypt), and fasting all day long is a much greater ordeal.

But the ancient Babylonians found a way to keep up with both the moon and the sun. Their priests were excellent astronomers--helped, no doubt, by the clear skies in a country perched at the edge of the desert.

It is He Who made the sun to be a shining glory and the moon to be a light (of beauty), and measured out stages for it that ye might know the number of years and the count (of time). No wise did Allah create this but in truth and righteousness. (Thus) doth He explain His Signs in detail, for those who understand. (10-5)