Rahmadan- guide to fasting in Rahmadan
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My post has changed, we are obligated to fast for the whole month of Rahmadan... Everyone...
I come to make trouble, not peace...I come to turn the truth against the lie...
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My post has changed, we are obligated to fast for the whole month of Rahmadan... Everyone...
I come to make trouble, not peace...I come to turn the truth against the lie...
peace
Salaam
This shows you are an eager learner and truth seeker. handshake
As for me I am so afraid in case I pass on wrong message and mislead anyone & so I would never claim to be a learned messenger but seeking truth and guidance, and keep on learning till I die.
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Salaam
This shows you are an eager learner and truth seeker. handshake
As for me I am so afraid in case I pass on wrong message and mislead anyone & so I would never claim to be a learned messenger but seeking truth and guidance, and keep on learning till I die.
peacePeace be upon you, happy Rahmadan...
Me to, I fear if I disobey my Lord the retribution of a great Day. & elektro &
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My post has changed, we are obligated to fast for the whole month of Rahmadan... Everyone...
Peace.
When is this "month" of ramadhan? In al-Qur'an-Majeed, it doesn't say that ramadhan is a "month", it simply refers to it as a period of time, which could range anywhere from one day to a thousand years. This "period" is when we are instructed to abstain/fast, not a particular month of the year... Where did you get your information, brother?
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace.
When is this "month" of ramadhan? In al-Qur'an-Majeed, it doesn't say that ramadhan is a "month", it simply refers to it as a period of time, which could range anywhere from one day to a thousand years. This "period" is when we are instructed to abstain/fast, not a particular month of the year... Where did you get your information, brother?
Peace,
Ahmad
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Ramadan month is the in which was sent down the Qur'an as a guide to mankind also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment. So everyone of you witness that month should fast it
, but if anyone is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you He does not want to put you to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful. (2-185)Thus, the fasting is for a month of Ramadan.
Now how long is one month?
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The number of months in the sight of Allah is twelve
so ordained by Him in the day He created the heavens and the earth; of them four are sacred; that is the straight usage. So wrong not yourselves therein and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together. But know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves. (9-36)Thus, one year is 12 months. And as we know, one year is the time when 4 seasons are completed (Spring, Summer, Fall, and Winter), 365 days. Thus, one month is about 30 days. And if one month is ten days, then the year would be 12 month X 10 = 120 days (two seasons only).
Moreover, the following would show the length of one month
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We have enjoined on man Kindness to his parents in pain did his mother bear him, and in pain did she give him birth. The carrying of the (child) to his weaning is thirty months
. At length, when he reaches the age of full strength and attains forty years, he says "O my Lord! Grant me that I may be grateful for Thy favor, which Thou hast bestowed upon me, and upon both my parents, and that I may work righteousness such as Thou mayest approve; and be gracious to me in my issue. Truly have I turned to Thee and truly do I bow (to Thee) in Islam." (46-15)Is that how long does it take and not 30 month X 10 days= 300 days
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Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months
, and for those who have no courses (it is the same) for those who carry (life within their wombs) their period is until they deliver their burdens and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy. (65-4)As we all know, the woman gets her period every month (average every thirty days)
Thus, we have to Fast for one Month that equals 30 days average.
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They ask thee concerning the New Moons. Say they are but signs to mark fixed periods of time for men, and for pilgrimage. It is no virtue if ye enter your houses from the back; it is virtue if ye fear Allah. Enter houses through the proper doors and fear Allah that ye may prosper. (2-189)
Thus? the mark of Ramadan month is the beginning of new moon.
Peace
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Desired Results - Fast at the sighting of the new moon of the month of Rahmadan untill the new moon of the subsequent month of Shawwal. 2185
Transliteration Shahru ramadana allathee onzila feehi alqur-anu hudan lilnnasi wabayyinatin mina alhuda waalfurqani faman shahida minkumu alshshahra falyasumhu waman kana mareedan aw AAala safarin faAAiddatun min ayyamin okhara yureedu Allahu bikumu alyusra wala yureedu bikumu alAAusra walitukmiloo alAAiddata walitukabbiroo Allaha AAala ma hadakum walaAAallakum tashkuroona
Literal (The) month (of) Ramadan , which the Koran was descended in it, (is) guidance to the people, and evidences from the guidance and the Separator of Right and Wrong/Koran , so who witnessed from you the month, so he should fast it (E) , and who was sick/diseased or on (a) journey/trip/voyage, so numbered/counted from other days. God wills/wants with you the ease/flexibility and does not want with you the difficulty/hardship , and to complete the term , and to greaten/magnify God on what He guided you, and maybe you thank/be grateful .
My interpretation
2185 The Quran was sent down in Rahmadan, to guide the people and clarify the guidance and the difference between whats right and wronge. So fast the whole month....
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When is this "month" of ramadhan? In al-Qur'an-Majeed, it doesn't say that ramadhan is a "month", it simply refers to it as a period of time, which could range anywhere from one day to a thousand years.
Peace,
It says it is Shar, which means Month. Morover, The Quran was revealed in such period, thus it is a very will known period to God and Prophet Mohamed, and all the Believers in Mohamed Time.
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Peace to all,
dear messenger anthony, thanks for the help but i think i willl wait for awhile until you change your teachings again back to only a few days, this will be much easier to do.
Kurt
Kurt, you do not have to wait, You will find out in the Judgement Day when Anthony will testify aginest you that he deliverd the Truth to You.
Looking Forward to seeing you in the Judgement Day -
Peace.
This is not accurate, brother. For starters, how do you know that "ramadhan" was referring to a specific month during the days of Mohammed, when al-Qur'an was revealed? There's nowhere in the reading that declares it as it's own specific month. Also, you said
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The number of months in the sight of Allah is twelve
so ordained by Him in the day He created the heavens and the earth; of them four are sacred; that is the straight usage. So wrong not yourselves therein and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together. But know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves. (9-36)This is a mistranslation. It mentions the COUNT of the "shahr" being 12 in God's sight, it doesn't say the "number". If it was literally translated as "number", there have been MILLIONS, EVEN BILLIONS of "months". The "count" and the "number" are completely different things, especially in relation to numbers and time periods. Al-Qur'an is stating that there are 12 'time periods' in the sight of God - the question is how do we identify these time periods?
Also, a woman doesn't get her period every 30 days. This is referring to a specific time period (not a month) - the average menstruation occurs every 27 or 28 days. Now, if these 28 days were equal to one month, then 12 months would equal 336 days in one year, which is completely different from the annual time period we use today (365 days). So, obviously, that verse wasn't speaking of 3 "months", it was referring to a 3 time periods. And when it comes to weaning a child (food), it's not referring to "months" either. 30 months would equal, by today's calendar, 2 1/2 years! Any parent can tell you that it doesn't take two-and-a-half months to wean a child. A child should start eating solid food after ONE YEAR to intake the proper nutrients necessary to stimulate growth, the nutrients that breastmilk can't provide anymore. So, once again, God is speaking about time periods, not "months", definately not 30-day months...
And even still, if every month was a fixed 30 days, then we'd have an extra (13th) month every year, not 12. Therefore, even though the NUMBER of months may be 13, we are instructed to only COUNT 12 of them. We can't base our descriptions on rounding or averaging numbers - we can't abstain for an AVERAGE of 30 days. That would mean the number of days during the period of "ramadhan" would change every year, and this is obviously not the case. This fixed number ("counted days" would have to remain the same throughout the years (whether the number of days is 10 or 30, it would have to always remain so). So, this can't be referring to a 30-day month - if it does, then you're saying there are more than 12 months in a year, which al-Qur'an rejects, according to your interpretation. And since the Scripture is accurate, then the Scripture isn't referring to the number of months in a year, it's speaking of the count of 'periods' in the sight of God.
And the verse you mentioned (2189) is a mistranslation as well - this verse says
"Yasaloonaka AAani alahillati", meaning "They will ask you about the CRESCENT MOONS." The word "hilal" refers to the "crescent moon"... These crescent moons were used as a method of identifying months and time periods, and they still are used in many countries. Depending on where you're standing during the time of the new moon, you may not even be able to see it, and the crescent moon is also difficult to see under certain conditions. Al-Qur'an states
"The God wills that you shall have ease, and does not will you to suffer hardship, but that you complete the count..." (al-Qur'an 2185)
Therefore, since He has instructed us to abstain/fast durig the period or "ramadhan", He has not made it difficult to identify the period, but many are unaware. In many instances, "shahr" refers to something large or obvious, which would explain how we could easily identify it, unlike identifying the new or crescent moon... I'm not completely sure if "shahr" refers to the full moon itself - I haven't completely finished researching the issue, and I haven't finished reading Ayman's article on this topic either - but Brother Ayman's argument sounds very consistent with what al-Qur'an states. The identification of the period of "ramadhan" relies on the sighting of the full moon, and in this period, we abstain for 'a few number of days'. Referencing "ramadhan" as it's own "month" isn't based on the reading, especially considering the fact that we have no evidence that there was a month named "Ramadhan" during Mohammed's lifetime.
Peace.
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This is not accurate, brother. For starters, how do you know that "ramadhan" was referring to a specific month during the days of Mohammed, when al-Qur'an was revealed? There's nowhere in the reading that declares it as it's own specific month. Also, you said
This is a mistranslation. It mentions the COUNT of the "shahr" being 12 in God's sight, it doesn't say the "number". If it was literally translated as "number", there have been MILLIONS, EVEN BILLIONS of "months". The "count" and the "number" are completely different things, especially in relation to numbers and time periods. Al-Qur'an is stating that there are 12 'time periods' in the sight of God - the question is how do we identify these time periods?
Also, a woman doesn't get her period every 30 days. This is referring to a specific time period (not a month) - the average menstruation occurs every 27 or 28 days. Now, if these 28 days were equal to one month, then 12 months would equal 336 days in one year, which is completely different from the annual time period we use today (365 days). So, obviously, that verse wasn't speaking of 3 "months", it was referring to a 3 time periods. And when it comes to weaning a child (food), it's not referring to "months" either. 30 months would equal, by today's calendar, 2 1/2 years! Any parent can tell you that it doesn't take two-and-a-half months to wean a child. A child should start eating solid food after ONE YEAR to intake the proper nutrients necessary to stimulate growth, the nutrients that breastmilk can't provide anymore. So, once again, God is speaking about time periods, not "months", definately not 30-day months...
And even still, if every month was a fixed 30 days, then we'd have an extra (13th) month every year, not 12. Therefore, even though the NUMBER of months may be 13, we are instructed to only COUNT 12 of them. We can't base our descriptions on rounding or averaging numbers - we can't abstain for an AVERAGE of 30 days. That would mean the number of days during the period of "ramadhan" would change every year, and this is obviously not the case. This fixed number ("counted days" would have to remain the same throughout the years (whether the number of days is 10 or 30, it would have to always remain so). So, this can't be referring to a 30-day month - if it does, then you're saying there are more than 12 months in a year, which al-Qur'an rejects, according to your interpretation. And since the Scripture is accurate, then the Scripture isn't referring to the number of months in a year, it's speaking of the count of 'periods' in the sight of God.
And the verse you mentioned (2189) is a mistranslation as well - this verse says
"Yasaloonaka AAani alahillati", meaning "They will ask you about the CRESCENT MOONS." The word "hilal" refers to the "crescent moon"... These crescent moons were used as a method of identifying months and time periods, and they still are used in many countries. Depending on where you're standing during the time of the new moon, you may not even be able to see it, and the crescent moon is also difficult to see under certain conditions. Al-Qur'an states
"The God wills that you shall have ease, and does not will you to suffer hardship, but that you complete the count..." (al-Qur'an 2185)
Therefore, since He has instructed us to abstain/fast durig the period or "ramadhan", He has not made it difficult to identify the period, but many are unaware. In many instances, "shahr" refers to something large or obvious, which would explain how we could easily identify it, unlike identifying the new or crescent moon... I'm not completely sure if "shahr" refers to the full moon itself - I haven't completely finished researching the issue, and I haven't finished reading Ayman's article on this topic either - but Brother Ayman's argument sounds very consistent with what al-Qur'an states. The identification of the period of "ramadhan" relies on the sighting of the full moon, and in this period, we abstain for 'a few number of days'. Referencing "ramadhan" as it's own "month" isn't based on the reading, especially considering the fact that we have no evidence that there was a month named "Ramadhan" during Mohammed's lifetime.
Peace.
One day We shall raise from all peoples a witness against them, from amongst themselves and We shall bring thee as a witness against these (thy people) and We have sent down to thee the Book explaining all things, a Guide a Mercy and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (89)
As you can see, it is not for you or me, but it is for Him to reveal what He Wants.
In very Well-Established Verses He Told Us
Fast For Numbered Days
These Days are the Period of Ramadan Month
To Calculate Ramadan Month use the Crescent as a Sign for the Begining of The Month.
You Shall not Eat or Drink from Dawn to Night
When you sight the Next Crescent (after 28 or 29 or 30 days), you should end Fasting.Humans, Humans, Humans...We like to argue and divide among our self.
We have explained in detail in this Qur'an, for the benefit of mankind, every kind of similitude but man is, in most things contentious. (18-54)
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Peace.
This is not accurate, brother. For starters, how do you know that "ramadhan" was referring to a specific month during the days of Mohammed, when al-Qur'an was revealed? There's nowhere in the reading that declares it as it's own specific month. Also, you said
"The God wills that you shall have ease, and does not will you to suffer hardship, but that you complete the count..." (al-Qur'an 2185)
Therefore, since He has instructed us to abstain/fast durig the period or "ramadhan", He has not made it difficult to identify the period, but many are unaware. In many instances, "shahr" refers to something large or obvious, which would explain how we could easily identify it, unlike identifying the new or crescent moon... I'm not completely sure if "shahr" refers to the full moon itself - I haven't completely finished researching the issue, and I haven't finished reading Ayman's article on this topic either - but Brother Ayman's argument sounds very consistent with what al-Qur'an states. The identification of the period of "ramadhan" relies on the sighting of the full moon, and in this period, we abstain for 'a few number of days'. Referencing "ramadhan" as it's own "month" isn't based on the reading, especially considering the fact that we have no evidence that there was a month named "Ramadhan" during Mohammed's lifetime.
Peace.
This is what I get out of this so far
That Rahmadan can last for 28,29,or 30 days... Thus It is not a fixed period..
Does Rahmadan = 30 days every year ? ( Fixed number )
Or does it = 30 days one year, and may = 28 days the next year, and may only = 10 days the next year? ( Flexible number )
How ever long Rahmadan last, then one should fast for the whole period...If it last ten days then thats how many days one should fast and so on...
And know that the use of the additional month only causes an increase in rejection...
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Or does it = 30 days one year, and may = 28 days the next year, and may only = 10 days the next year? ( Flexible number )
Peace,
The Cycle of the Moon will never equal 10 days, but 28 or 29 or 30 days
as per Scientific evedances.http//aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/MoonPhase.php
http//aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/islamic.php
http//aa.usno.navy.mil/graphics/Moon_movie.gifPeace
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And even still, if every month was a fixed 30 days, then we'd have an extra (13th) month every year, not 12. Therefore, even though the NUMBER of months may be 13, we are instructed to only COUNT 12 of them. We can't base our descriptions on rounding or averaging numbers - we can't abstain for an AVERAGE of 30 days. That would mean the number of days during the period of "ramadhan" would change every year, and this is obviously not the case. This fixed number ("counted days" would have to remain the same throughout the years (whether the number of days is 10 or 30, it would have to always remain so). So, this can't be referring to a 30-day month - if it does, then you're saying there are more than 12 months in a year, which al-Qur'an rejects, according to your interpretation. And since the Scripture is accurate, then the Scripture isn't referring to the number of months in a year, it's speaking of the count of 'periods' in the sight of God.
Please read the following resoning
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596845.0
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2183 O you who believe, you are ordered to fast just as those before you were ordered to fast, it may be that you are fearful and obedient.
2184 A commanded time to fast; .............
2185 The Quran was sent down in Rahmadan, to guide the people and to clarify the guidance and the Difference between whats Right and Wronge. So one should fast the whole time of Rahmadan....
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2183 O you who believe, you are ordered to fast just like those before you were ordered to fast, it could be that you are fearful and obeidient.
2184 Fast for a whole month. Whoever from among you is ill or traveling;then complete the fast in the other months. And as for those who cannot do without, then they may redeem by feeding any of the poorest of the poor. And whoever gives alms voluntarily, then it is best for him. And it is best that you fast, if you are able.
2185 The Quran was sent down in the month of Rahmadan, to guide the people and to clarify the guidance and the Difference between whats Right and Wronge. So one should fast the whole month of Rahmadan, whoever of you witnesses it. And whoever from among you is ill or traveling; then complete the fast in the other months.
God wants to bring you flexibility and not to bring you hardship; and so that you may complete the month, and glorify God for what He has guided you, that you may be thankful.