Hacked Subject. Need Clarification. Al yatama
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Really? Just the loss of the father would make a child an orphan in arab society?
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Or is it Marry the girls off.
And the boys? What to do with them?
Really? Just the loss of the father would make a child an orphan in arab society?
I do not think yateem is one who lost his father for death, because he/she still have a father in the form of a name they carry. A yateem is "fatherless" someone who never had a father, even if this father is alive. For example children born of relations not ended by marriage and where the father disappeared, or children reslting from rape. Those are really the vulnerable ones, even if they have money, they will still be shuned by the society. The oly solution to their situation is to have a father in the form of a stepfather. A child who lost a father for death is at worst poor, and he/she wont be worse than another poor child borne to two poor parents who are alive.
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So a better translation would be of Yateem "Without a male caretaker/provider".
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So a better translation would be of Yateem "Without a male caretaker/provider".
Why a male caretaker?
Which is more vulnerable of the following, and shunt off the society- a child whose father died, and left him a fortune or a rich mother.
- a child who has both parents alive, but are very poor, or a disabled father and an illiterate mother
- a child who is born out of wed-lock, whether rich or poor?
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So you believe it is about being born out of wedlock makes someone a Yateem, and not directly missing a caretaker (male or female)?
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Yes. Being fatherless does not make someone vulnerable. A poor person, in general, is vulnerable, whether be a child or an adult, and those have their own category (faqeer; miskeen). The classical dictionary defines a yateem as (fatherless), but seems to then duel only on someone whose father (and not mother) is dead, making fatherless almost synonymous to poor. It goes further as saying that "all women are yatamaa" >. On this understanding we have women to be totally dependent on a male, and are not asked to spend of their money. I do not see the qur'aan supporting such an understanding.
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Is it two, Three or four or Two's, three's or Four's.
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And this translation is only applicable for a male reader. the beginning or end of this Surah does not say this is meant for men. What if a lady is reading the Quran. How should she interpret it. Is the Quran to be read or interpreted only by men from their point of view.
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isn't it marry Off. and Why not?
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Is it two, Three or four or Two's, three's or Four's.
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And this translation is only applicable for a male reader. the beginning or end of this Surah does not say this is meant for men. What if a lady is reading the Quran. How should she interpret it. Is the Quran to be read or interpreted only by men from their point of view.
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isn't it marry Off. and Why not?
This is another reason why I believe yataamaa are not orphans. Usually a child who is abandoned by the mother and is living with his/her father is not vulnerable or rejected by the society.
The polygamy permission has nothing to do with the interest, or welfare, of adults. It's a permission to address the societal problem of a child who's rejected for not having a known father. Men are given the permission to marry such mothers so as to extend social protection to those yataamaa. No woman is needed to play this role, so no permission is extended to them.
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This is another reason why I believe yataamaa are not orphans. Usually a child who is abandoned by the mother and is living with his/her father is not vulnerable or rejected by the society.
The polygamy permission has nothing to do with the interest, or welfare, of adults. It's a permission to address the societal problem of a child who's rejected for not having a known father. Men are given the permission to marry such mothers so as to extend social protection to those yataamaa. No woman is needed to play this role, so no permission is extended to them.
Thank you very much. I believe you have given me a very insightful answer. Thanks again.
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Salam
First of all consider that the sentence starts by talking about Yatama, it's not about women. (forget about Rashad's translation of mothers I don't know how he got that)
I have different thoughts on this verse as I do not think that Yateem are orphans but rather people that are somehow incomplete and going through a stage in order to reach completion. Think about the word Yateem (Noun) --> a status of being a Y-T-M
Root word mentioned in following verses
Al-Baqara (The Cow) >
Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread) >
At-Tauba (The Repentance)>
Yusuf (Joseph)>
An-Nahl (The Bee)>
Al-Nour (The Light)>
Al-Fath (The Victory) >
Yatim/ tamma (verb) = to complete/finalize something. The thing that I can think of that hasn't been finalised is their adulthood. I.e. People that are teenagers. They're in a dangerous age and need to be looked after. There may be other people in a state of being a Y-T-M too, they need some sort of closure, completion, growth etc.
We are advised not to get close to money of the Yateem until they reach their strength (males and females). This must mean to hold the money for them until they are on their feet/ fully mature.
If you can't be fair to these Y-T-M people (financially inequitable? can't care for them? look at them sexually? take their money, mistreat them unintentionally? etc. etc.)
Then you Ankihoo or Unkihoo dual , three or four of the WOMEN (the female ones of them). ----> here the verse shifts from yatama to specifically about the Nisaa of them.
But if you fear you will be unjust then just one or whatever you already have, that is to prevent you from being high.
Because of the characters on the letters that were added later we wont know if it is Ankihoo (marry) or Unkihoo (marry off).
For men to have more than one woman is definitely allowed in certain situations/circumstances and we know it has been done historically.
I hope someone can elaborate on my thoughts. Thanks.
Peace.
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Salaam peace4life
The verb "Y-T-M to complete" has the root T-M-M, so the Y is not original to it. It's the imperfect prefix, present in all imperfect (present tense) verbs. This is clear from the past of the verb Tamma. The word Yateem has the letter Y as original It does not disappear from any of its derivatives. So there is no relation between the two terms.
Secondly, how would marrying those "yataama" raises them from their vulnerability? And why just the girls? What about boys? How to deal with their vulnerability?
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Salam sister Samia,
Oh ok. Apologies.
I do not know what shall be done about orphan boys.
Peace
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This is another reason why I believe yataamaa are not orphans. Usually a child who is abandoned by the mother and is living with his/her father is not vulnerable or rejected by the society.
The polygamy permission has nothing to do with the interest, or welfare, of adults. It's a permission to address the societal problem of a child who's rejected for not having a known father. Men are given the permission to marry such mothers so as to extend social protection to those yataamaa. No woman is needed to play this role, so no permission is extended to them.
Salaam Samia,
Although I already have an understanding of this, I do want to mention that you explained this very well... and to the point. bravo
Peace