Punishment in hereafter for not performing salaat
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Peace be upon you,
I am not here to force you not to physically prostrate...if it helps you to change your behavior, then by all means continue. I do not require that anymore.
If salat is programming, then no need to speak in Arabic anymore...progamming is much more clearer to an English speaker/thinker. The message must be given in the language of the student, we are all speaking english on this forum.
Peace be upon you,
And neither am I here to force anyone down into prostration nor you to not mentally prostrate... And I prostrate with the hope of coming closer to God and seeking a blessing and approval from Him. And the way I see it, to prostrate to God is a major change in ones behavior. Because many are to arrogant to even bow down to something that is greater than their self.
And I agree about the language thing. It is important to speak the language of the people, everyone dont know Arabic. But what I am saying is were did you get the word " programming" from. Bring your proof that salat = programming.
To me salat = prayers ( the daily prayers )
However, I also understand it to mean connection and I am learning why I shouldnt use "prayer" as the meaning of salat.
But I believe salat = connection, prayer, suplication,ect...
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Peace everyone,
I agree with Anthony that the timed salat of muslims is a way of connecting with God. The programming of the nafs is a result of that connection. For example, salat (done the right way) prohibits lewdness and vice (2945). Salat is the connection and prohibition of lewdness and vice is the programming of the nafs (the result).
It is undisputable from quranic evidence that the timed salat of muslims has both mental and physical components. Reading/reciting al-quran with understanding is physical as well as mental. Glorifying, praising and remembering God is both physical and mental. Falling to the chin in sujud is both physical and mental.
4102 mentions "when they have prostrated"; this clearly implies a physical act. The second group performed salat only after the first group had prostrated. If prostration is only mental obedience and means obeying God's commands only, then how did the first group obey God's commands recited to them by the leader in the short time before the second group started their salat? For example, the leader recited from al-quran to the first group "feed the poor and give charity". Does it mean that the first group immediately got up and fed the poor and gave charity before the second group started their salat in a time of war? Of course they did some kind of physical act which signified obedience to God in a symbolic manner, and then later on when they got a chance they fed the poor and gave charity thus demonstrating their mental obedience.
I agree that the mental component of salaat is much more important than the physical component, but we cannot force our own personal bias/pre-conceptions/prejudices onto God's words and start preaching to everyone that there is no physical component of salaat at all.
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Saqar also means a battle during war, to struggle hard, to be in the heat of battle. Sala has many meanings within the Qur' an.
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Peace be upon you,
Yes, that means that all those criminals who get on the ground and scar thier foreheads up but still deal drugs, bomb humans, cheat on thier spouses, hoard goods, distort God's words, etc will not be saved from "the fire"....thier "salaat" is for show, nothing but whistles and clapping. It is only programming of the nafs (salaat) that will save you from "the fire"...it is only REAL MENTAL CHANGE, not baseless body movements that will make the difference.
So yes, prostrate(your mind) and draw near.-
Do you have any proof that those who deal drugs will not be saved from the fire? My Lord has made trade lawful, and He has forbidden usury. And do not say that this is lawful and that is forbidden, that you seek to invent lies about God.
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And do you have proof that their salat is nothing but whistles and clapping ( those who get on the ground to the Almighty- )? Whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day will have their rewards with their Lord, with no fear over them, nor will they grieve. They are seeking a blessing from their Lord and aproval.
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And how will it be when they are called to prostrate, but they will be unable to? And humiliation will cover them. They were called to do so while they were whole and able.
So be paitient to the judgment of your Lord, and be of those who prostrate.
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And their shadows also prostrate from the right and the left, even thoe they resent it.
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And God wont show those who have disease in their hearts to you so that you can recognize them by their looks ( physical ), But you can recognize them by their speech. What comes out of their mouth is what is in their hearts.
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peace t,
One of the reasons they found themselves in saqar is because they were not among "musalleen". It follows that "being musalleen" is compulsory.
I think "compulsory" is the wrong word to use, it just doesn't sound right. It is like saying being "righteous" or "charitable" is compulsory. Being "musalleen" (my rendition ones who go/turn towards in a close/positive manner) helps one avoid "saqar".
4102 mentions "when they have prostrated"; this clearly implies a physical act.
4102 mentions "when they have sjd" which has several possibilities. It's primary meaning is to acknowledge / give recognition (positively), which can take various forms.
The second group performed salat only after the first group had prostrated. If prostration is only mental obedience and means obeying God's commands only, then how did the first group obey God's commands recited to them by the leader in the short time before the second group started their salat? For example, the leader recited from al-quran to the first group "feed the poor and give charity". Does it mean that the first group immediately got up and fed the poor and gave charity before the second group started their salat in a time of war? Of course they did some kind of physical act which signified obedience to God in a symbolic manner, and then later on when they got a chance they fed the poor and gave charity thus demonstrating their mental obedience.
Your above example would hold weight if all content in al quran was instructional and required doing of a physical act, e.g. feeding the poor. However, its content is not all like that, and we dont know what was said.
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Peace.
If salat means the ritual sets then, according to this logic proposed by the starting post, wouldn't this contradict with 262 ? Or would you say they do 2,4,4,3,4 everyday too?
For me, such punishment is if you violate your salat/bond to the moral laws (that is, doing evil), for example like violating the laws in 1722 - 39 and many other verses across the Quran. There are also many other specific bonds to specific peple - like delivering the message is the bond/salat of the messenger, etc - that are not to us, so make sure you see which verse is talking to whom to get a more clear understanding of salat/bond to God.
Peace.
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I believe that one should salat to God alone and not to other people.
And the salat of the messenger is to God also.
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Also the salat is were we go for cleansing. The salat is were we go especially if we have violated the moral laws. ect...
So how does one violat salat then? Il tell you how. People violate salat by being neglectful of it, and also by attending the salat lazy, and also by approaching the salat intoxicated, by salating for the rejecters who have died, by showing off with it, by over awing and hiding with it...
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Peace be upon you,
"Woe to those who salaat but are heedless/unaware of thier salaat"
How can one bow down on the ground but be unaware that they are bowing down on the ground? Does that make sense to anyone?
However, the human mind/subconcious is ALWAYS being programmed and most people are unaware of this.
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My salat, my rites, my life, and my death, are all to God, the Lord of the worlds. He has no partner, and it is to this that I was commanded, and I am the first of those who have submitted.
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aw,
Rather than referencing verses and applying little thought, there is a preference for applying thought before referencing verses.
http//www.mypercept.co.uk/articles/quran_on_salat.htm
I dont know what you talkin about referencing verses and applying little thought. Could you be more specific.
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What I mean is in many of your posts you quote verses which regurgitate views already discussed, even if they dont support your view but you do not realise if they do or not. Hence applying thought before posting of verses is recommended, and I referenced a link to help with this
http//www.mypercept.co.uk/articles/quran_on_salat.htm
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What I mean is in many of your posts you quote verses which regurgitate views already discussed, even if they dont support your view but you do not realise if they do or not. Hence applying thought before posting of verses is recommended, and I referenced a link to help with this
http//www.mypercept.co.uk/articles/quran_on_salat.htm
im not sure if im understandin u correct but what I type are my thoughts. And if i type verses quoting from quran then that is what i am thinking about or what i want to say. From the heart.
Thanks for the link. I like it.
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I only find in Quran were you salat to God only. I do not find in Quran were we must salat to others.
Do you serve other than God what cannot benifit you or harm you?
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I only find in Quran were you salat to God only. I do not find in Quran were we must salat to others.
Do you serve other than God what cannot benifit you or harm you?
Prime example of what I'm talking about.
Anyways, assuming you have read the link I gave you, then I have referenced verses you may be interested in applying some thought to
God and his angels can salat you/us, resulting in leading us out of darkness into light
salat is possible between people
One can uphold/perform the salat for/to others
In conjunction with
http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm= Sad-Lam-Waw = prayer, supplication, petition, oration, eulogy, benediction, commendation, blessing, honour, magnifiy, bring forth, follow closely, walk/follow behind closely, to remain attached.
In a horse race when the second horse follows the first one so closely that its head always overlaps the first horse?s body that horse is called AL-MUSSALLI (i.e. the one who follows closely / remains attached).
Central portion of the back, portion from where the tail of an animal comes out, the rump.musalla (ي n. m. - 2125
salat (ة n. f. sing. - 23, 243, 245, 283, 2110, 2153, 2177, 2238, 2277, 443, 477, 4101, 4102, 4103, 4103, 4103, 4142, 4162, 56, 512, 555, 558, 591, 5106, 672, 692, 6162, 7170, 83, 835, 95, 911, 918, 954, 971, 9103, 1087, 1187, 11114, 1322, 1431, 1437, 1440, 1778, 17110, 1931, 1955, 1959, 2014, 20132, 2173, 2235, 2241, 2278, 232, 2437, 2441, 2456, 2458, 2458, 273, 2945, 2945, 3031, 314, 3117, 3333, 3518, 3529, 4238, 5813, 629, 6210, 7023, 7034, 7320, 985, 1075
salawat (ت nom. gen. n. plu. - 2157, 2238, 999, 2240, 239salla (ي vb.II m.
perf. act. 7531, 8715, 9610
impf. act. 339, plu. neg. 4102, plu. 4102, tusalli (ل neg. 984, yusallee (ي sing. 3343, yusalloona (ن plu. 3356
salli (ل impv. 9103, salloo (ا plu. 3356, 1082
musalleena (ن pcple. act. plu. acc. gen. 7022, 7443, 1074LL, V4, p 444, 445
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Peace Wakas,
Your above example would hold weight if all content in al quran was instructional and required doing of a physical act, e.g. feeding the poor. However, its content is not all like that, and we dont know what was said.
Even if what was said was a mental command/advice, how did the second party know when the first party had acknowledged it, so that they can move in for the salat? "When they had prostrated" in 4102, implies a physical act of acknowledgment to the mental or physical advice/command given.
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peace t,
Peace Wakas,
Even if what was said was a mental command/advice, how did the second party know when the first party had acknowledged it, so that they can move in for the salat? "When they had prostrated" in 4102, implies a physical act of acknowledgment to the mental or physical advice/command given.
I already answered
4102 mentions "when they have sjd" which has several possibilities. It's primary meaning is to acknowledge / give recognition (positively), which can take various forms.
I will elaborate by explaining what I meant by "various forms", underlining the other possiblities
From http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm
= Siin-Jiim-Dal = lowly, humble, submissive, worship, adore, prostrate, make obeisance, lower/bend oneself down towards the ground, lower the head, to salute/honour/magnify, to pay respect, to stand up, to look continuedly and tranquily.
Thus, it is impossible to say if they physically prostrated or not, as there are other possibilities. Do you agree?
