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Number of wives?

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    unknownuser
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    I hope it is admitted that divorce is given only to wife and not to mother and sister.
    Pl see 6501,04 who are being given divorce "Nisa" or Imraatan.

    Peace Mazhar,

    Good points above -- always read Quran in context and cross-reference to get best meaning.

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      Mazhar
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      When Allah refers to (a gender neutral reference) 'mates' Allah uses the term 'azwajan'

      This too is a wrong perception;

      If "azwajan" is merely "mate" and not 'wife' how has she been made pregnant?

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        Al_Araf
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        salam mazhar. i could not stop laughing. i did not want to laugh.

        yes, how can a man get pregnant? like i said before how can a man have menstruation?

        i know superior western enlightened people have been to the moon and back. is there something new they have, men who get pregnant and menstruate?

        majnoon dhimmi.

        allah is the truth.

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          Muslimtruthrevealed
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          Assalaam Alaikum @Nun

          We went over this already.... Here is the answer....again

          Ya Nominative Case

          ?Ya? used to express feelings or affection towards someone or something when followed by a verbal noun or Nominative Case.
          Language of the Holy Quran, page 400

          Next point relative to the topic please.......

          @Mazhar...By the way, I dont play 'hide and seek' or the 'shell game' with the Quranic ayahs

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            Muslimtruthrevealed
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            What about 'Imraatan' of 2723 "I found 'Imraatan' ruling over them"

            imraa meaning man or woman, person, human being, one who thinks or considers; Root word marra means to scan, examine, peruse, pass in review
            Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. Page 1056 (marra) page 1058 (mara?a)

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              Assalaam Alaikum @Nun

              We went over this already.... Here is the answer....again

              Ya Nominative Case

              ?Ya? used to express feelings or affection towards someone or something when followed by a verbal noun or Nominative Case.
              Language of the Holy Quran, page 400

              Next point relative to the topic please.......

              Salam -- you addressed nothing relative to topic only Hans Wehr definitions...lol

              Do you disagree prophets had more than one woman/wife?

              Why do you avoid answering a simple question; is below person/name or a verb? Yes/No will suffice.

              3144 Wama muhammadun illa rasoolun..

              3340 Ma kana muhammadun...

              4829 Muhammadun rasoolu Allahi

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                This too is a wrong perception;

                If "azwajan" is merely "mate" and not 'wife' how has she been made pregnant?

                @Mazhar "azwajan" is NOT in the arabic you posted!

                I see which means 'from the female mates/wives', there is the 3rd person, feminine pronoun 'ha' affixed to the words 'min' and 'zawja'

                Now lets stay on topic...'Number of Wives'....

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                  Salam -- you addressed nothing relative to topic only Hans Wehr definitions...lol

                  Do you disagree prophets had more than one woman/wife?

                  Assalaam Alaikum @Nun...

                  Im not avoiding anything, personally I dont have to answer any question. Thus I reserve the right to respond to those questions and inquiries that specific to the topic and conducive to informing the audience. If you wish to discuss the 'Muhammadun' of the Quran, create a thread, I will participate.

                  O those who believe in the Prophet! We have made lawful to you thy wives to whom you have paid their dowers; and those whom you have control of leading to the right/blessings whom Allah has assigned to you; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with you; and ANY BELIEVING WOMAN WHO DEDICATES HER SOUL TO THE PROPHET IF THE PROPHET WISHES TO WED HER;- THIS ONLY FOR YOU / yastankihaha/ khalisatan/ , AND NOT FOR THE BELIEVERS (AT LARGE); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the those whom they have control of leading to the right/blessings;- in order that there should be no difficulty for you. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

                  yastankihaha/ khalisatan/

                  Yastankihaha (imperfect, 3rd person) wish to marry
                  Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 577 (nakaha)

                  Khalisatan (active participle) Distinct Quality, Someone with exclusive right, one who is pure, genuine, best choice, most excellent; Mukh-la-san / Mukh-lee-san means one who is Chosen, Chosen by Allah, pure from pollution or hypocrisy, pure & sincere towards Allah, purely believing in the unity of Allah (applied to a Human)
                  Lanes Lexicon Volume 2 page 785-787;
                  Online Single Page http//www.studyquran.co.uk/LLhome.htm
                  Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 161 (khalasa)

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                    I hope it is admitted that divorce is given only to wife and not to mother and sister.
                    Pl see 6501,04 who are being given divorce "Nisa" or Imraatan.

                    Ya ayyuha alnnabiyyu itha tallaqtumu an-nisaa /

                    Women

                    Lets cease with the quiz show, lets stay on topic...'Number of Wives'....

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                      unknownuser
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                      greetings@Muslimtruthrevealed,

                      Im not avoiding anything, personally I dont have to answer any question. Thus I reserve the right to respond to those questions and inquiries that specific to the topic and conducive to informing the audience. If you wish to discuss the 'Muhammadun' of the Quran, create a thread, I will participate.

                      O those who believe in the Prophet!

                      That?s OK you are free to run...lol

                      First you post this...

                      uuh excuse me, we are focusing on the arabic of the ayah NOT someone's translation. 'Zaid' s NOT in the arabic its 'zaydun'...a verb..NOT a noun.

                      Now you run away from answering this...

                      Wama muhammadun illa rasoolun...
                      3144 And Muhammad is not except a messenger...

                      Likewise ? which words did you translate as those who believe in verse below?

                      3350 Ya ayyuha alnnabiyyu

                      Perhaps this will work; we include definitions in all our posts... laugh

                      Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
                      Main Entry run
                      Pronunciation \rn
                      Function verb
                      Inflected Form(s) ran \ran\ also chiefly dialect run; run; run?ning

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                        Muslimtruthrevealed
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                        And what about this? Would you translate it as "wife" even before deciding to enter into Nikah?

                        Imraata / Imraatan is used interchangeably to refer wives or women.

                        'Wife of Nuh', Wife of Lut' & 'Wife of Firawn' in Sura 66.10-11

                        imraata Noohin wa imraata Lootin /
                        imraata firAAawna /

                        'Imraatan' in Sura 33.50 is referring to the 'Believing Women', which makes sense because its part of a Accusative Case Imraatan Muminatan /
                        Tanween makes the words 'indefinite', thus indicating they are NOT 'wives' at this point, but 'Believing Women'

                        Now lets get back to the topic 'Number of Wives'.....

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                          Muslimtruthrevealed
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                          Nun, I dont argue with the students....just bring the one who taught you. I would like to engage that individual.

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                            unknownuser
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                            Nun, I dont argue with the students....just bring the one who taught you. I would like to engage that individual.

                            Sure, go ahead and argue...

                            (&#65279 (&#65279
                            Ar-Rahman, the Beneficent
                            Teacher of the Qur'?n

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                              siki
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                              Muslimtruthrevealed.

                              salam

                              Trust me , when i tell you, " I have never seen some body spewing so much Non sense on the forum, and that also in such a short span of time"

                              siki

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                                Muslimtruthrevealed
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                                Sure, go ahead and argue...

                                (&#65279 (&#65279
                                Ar-Rahman, the Beneficent
                                Teacher of the Qur'?n

                                ok smart guy.....

                                Is one who worships devoutly during the hour of the night prostrating himself or standing (in adoration), who takes heed of the Hereafter, and who places his hope in the Mercy of his Lord - ? Say. "Are those equal, those who know and those who do not know? IT IS THOSE WHO ARE ENDUED WITH UNDERSTANDING THAT RECEIVE ADMONITION.

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                                  Muslimtruthrevealed.

                                  salam

                                  Trust me , when i tell you, " I have never seen some body spewing so much Non sense on the forum, and that also in such a short span of time"

                                  siki

                                  I dont trust you...could careless what you say...

                                  Just address the ayahs

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                                    Nun, I dont argue with the students....just bring the one who taught you. I would like to engage that individual.

                                    Interesting.

                                    Where did you study MtR? How long have you been researching this? And where do you teach?

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                                      Al_Araf
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                                      salam mtr. i have seen the coptic christians channels on paltalk. they know masri, egyptian arabic, they claim they converted from islam to christianity.

                                      they use their knowledge of masri to deceive muslims.

                                      allah is the truth.

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                                        Fahad1
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                                        Assalaam Alaikum @Fahad

                                        It's quite obvious that you seem to be 'running' from Sura 33.37. I have given you my perception and understanding of the ayah, and I have complied with your request.

                                        Lie! I said I will address the verse in full, if you do it first.

                                        Yet it appears that you lack the required level of emotional intelligence to engage in a intellectual discussion regarding the guidance of Allah.

                                        "Intellectual", LOL.

                                        Be that as It may, I will continue to focus on the topic and reserve the right to further engage you regarding the topic.


                                        Sura Nisa 43 does NOT suggest, state or imply that Men can marry 2, 3 or 4 wives.

                                        Wain khiftum alla tuqsitoo fee alyatama fa VERBAL SENTENCE >>> inkihoo ADVERBAL MODIFIERS >>> MA TABA lakum minna <<< GENITIVE >>> alnnisai ADJECTIVES >>> mathna wathulatha warubaAAa <<< fain khiftum alla taAAdiloo fa ADJECTIVE Subject (Al Nisa) >>>> wahidatan <<< aw ma malakat aymanukum thalika adna alla taAAooloo

                                        It is Ma = NOT Taba = good/lawful Lakum =TO/For YOU to be given the Minna = favor/gift/blessing/benefit of Al Nisai = (get married to) Women Mathna = 2, Thulatha = 3, and Rubaa = 4 TIMES

                                        There are THREE points that make it clear as to the true meaning of the ayah

                                        1. Ma Negative particle when placed BEFORE a perfect verb (taba) or BEFORE a pronoun or BEFORE a demonstrative noun. Also used as a negative particle BEFORE a perfect tense among verbal forms. Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 523-524 (ma)

                                        2. mathna, thulatha and rubaa does not mean two three and four because two, three and four in Arabic are ithnaan, thalatha and arbaa' and not mathna, thulatha and rubaa

                                        3)wahiditan (tarmubutah & tanwin, adjective to the feminine noun (Al Nisai ) means ONE female indefinitely

                                        Fain = Therefore Khiftum = If you fear Alla = that you will fall short of your duty and obligation in marriage taAAdiloo = to act justly Fa = conjunctive particle ADJECTIVE of Subject (An-Nisa) wahidatan = Then Marry ONE TIME indefinitely (NOT 2, 3 and 4 TIMES)

                                        Aw = wait UNTIL Malakat = you can take a wife Aymanukum = faithfully, feel trustworthy & secure in a marriage

                                        There you go. I already knew why you are not addressing the ayaat in full, but here I hope others can see too why you choose to leave out portions of an ayah.

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                                          Fahad1
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                                          Thanks.

                                          I had been looking for any such clue since long.

                                          siki

                                          You are welcome, Siki.

                                          salam fahad. welcome to the club. apparently were all lunatics to mtr, who has just discovered grammar. what a pity they taught mtr grammar and forgot to teach mtr how to read an ayah or sura.

                                          allah is the word.

                                          Wa salaam Al Araf.

                                          Heheh, yeah. Thanks.

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