Number of wives?
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To all the knowledgable sisters at this forum
I am quite sure , that you are in disagreement with Muslimtruthrvealed on some of her ideas that she has presented in this forum. But i find you all quite, just hushed up, in sisterhood, why is that so?
Is that an honest way to carry out learning? Isn't that against what GOD ordains, that you should not conceal what your hearts recognize as truth?
I am sure our sister MTR,,, would pecieve it differently, if one of you come forward and correct her instead of us.
peace
siki
Peace siki ? agree, regardless of ones stance on the issue the silence by the more knowledgeable members is perplexing especially with the out of context grammatical nonsense bandying about. A believer cannot remain silent when obvious mangling of Quran verses are being distorted...e.g.
O those who believe in the Prophet!
'Nonsensical, unclear, garbled, cryptic sentences, and does not fit context'?
33.37......A decree or judgement has brought an end to the (previous) excesses] regarding (marriage to) your FEMALE's, the one SINGLE object of your desire is for YOU to marry one female.
This part of the ayah is clearly enforcing the mandate that all previous excessive and oppressive practices as it relates to women are over, done, 'nada'
Please showme the arabic statements for
- '3337 And when you say to who God blessed/comforted and eased on him...'
- 'him'
Also lets get the 'basics' first before attempting to argue about something you know nothing about
We will address Sura 3.144 after clarifying Sura 33.37
Read in context starting from
Ya nisaa alnnabiyyi...
3332 You, the prophet's women (wives)...Perhaps translate the passage in a coherent thought or say if you do not agree with wives?
(٢ (٣ (٤ (٥ (٦ (٧
3337 Wa-ith taqoolu lillathee anAAama Allahu AAalayhi...
Lastly, we cannot continue until you first address what you posted earlier...
uuh excuse me, we are focusing on the arabic of the ayah NOT someone's translation. 'Zaid' s NOT in the arabic its 'zaydun'...a verb..NOT a noun.
Therefore, since you know Arabic ?grammar and dictionaries? according to German scholars, Hans Wehr et al, answer the simple question...
Is below person/name or a verb?
3144 Wama muhammadun illa rasoolun..
3340 Ma kana muhammadun...
4829 Muhammadun rasoolu Allahi
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Assalaam Aalikum
Look folks, this is NOT an argument, nor an exercise in who can translate better or who knows arabic.
The topic is 'Number of Wives'.
I addressed the ayah Sura 4.3 from the Quranic Arabic grammar, then gave supporting references from the Quran from Sur'a 33.37 & 24.32 and 33.50.
ALL of my references clearly suggest and make it clear that Allah does NOT support the practice of polygamy / polygyny in regards to the Quran's instruction.
Now, you are free to enlist the assistance of anyone you choose to refute what I have shown from the Quran, its fine.
In fact, I host a room on www.paltalk.com 'Quran Says No Polygamy No Polygyny No Pimping'
Your invited to discuss the topic here or there.
I await your response.
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Assalaam Alaikum @Nun
Again, its obvious you do NOT study the Quran in the language of the Quran.
Nisa does NOT mean 'wives'
When Allah refer's to 'wives' Allah uses the term 'Imraatan'
When Allah refers to (a gender neutral reference) 'mates' Allah uses the term 'azwajan'
Now again before I choose to engage you any further, lets get the basics down first.
Im still awaiting a response to my request regarding your translation of 33.37
Please showme the arabic statements for
- '3337 And when you say to who God blessed/comforted and eased on him...'
- 'him'
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Assalaam Alaikum @Nun
Again, its obvious you do NOT study the Quran in the language of the Quran.
Nisa does NOT mean 'wives'
When Allah refer's to 'wives' Allah uses the term 'Imraatan'
When Allah refers to (a gender neutral reference) 'mates' Allah uses the term 'azwajan'
Now again before I choose to engage you any further, lets get the basics down first.
Im still awaiting a response to my request regarding your translation of 33.37
Please showme the arabic statements for
- '3337 And when you say to who God blessed/comforted and eased on him...'
- 'him'
Greeting@Muslimtruthrevealed,
OK I'll be nice and ignore the know it all pseudo-intellectual comments.
I posted...
Ya nisaa alnnabiyyi...
3332 You, the prophet's women (wives)...The prophet's women (wives, plural in parentheses) whereas imraatu when referring to one.
Also was posted the entire context from 3332-37 including...
3337 Wa-ith taqoolu lillathee anAAama Allahu AAalayhi...
Do you disagree prophets had more than one woman/wife?
Also, why avoid not answering a simple question; is below person/name or a verb?
3144 Wama muhammadun illa rasoolun..
3340 Ma kana muhammadun...
4829 Muhammadun rasoolu Allahi
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I hope it is admitted that divorce is given only to wife and not to mother and sister.
Pl see 6501,04 who are being given divorce "Nisa" or Imraatan.Peace Mazhar,
Good points above -- always read Quran in context and cross-reference to get best meaning.
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salam mazhar. i could not stop laughing. i did not want to laugh.
yes, how can a man get pregnant? like i said before how can a man have menstruation?
i know superior western enlightened people have been to the moon and back. is there something new they have, men who get pregnant and menstruate?
majnoon dhimmi.
allah is the truth.
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Assalaam Alaikum @Nun
We went over this already.... Here is the answer....again
Ya Nominative Case
?Ya? used to express feelings or affection towards someone or something when followed by a verbal noun or Nominative Case.
Language of the Holy Quran, page 400Next point relative to the topic please.......
@Mazhar...By the way, I dont play 'hide and seek' or the 'shell game' with the Quranic ayahs
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What about 'Imraatan' of 2723 "I found 'Imraatan' ruling over them"
imraa meaning man or woman, person, human being, one who thinks or considers; Root word marra means to scan, examine, peruse, pass in review
Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. Page 1056 (marra) page 1058 (mara?a) -
Assalaam Alaikum @Nun
We went over this already.... Here is the answer....again
Ya Nominative Case
?Ya? used to express feelings or affection towards someone or something when followed by a verbal noun or Nominative Case.
Language of the Holy Quran, page 400Next point relative to the topic please.......
Salam -- you addressed nothing relative to topic only Hans Wehr definitions...lol
Do you disagree prophets had more than one woman/wife?
Why do you avoid answering a simple question; is below person/name or a verb? Yes/No will suffice.
3144 Wama muhammadun illa rasoolun..
3340 Ma kana muhammadun...
4829 Muhammadun rasoolu Allahi
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This too is a wrong perception;
If "azwajan" is merely "mate" and not 'wife' how has she been made pregnant?
@Mazhar "azwajan" is NOT in the arabic you posted!
I see which means 'from the female mates/wives', there is the 3rd person, feminine pronoun 'ha' affixed to the words 'min' and 'zawja'
Now lets stay on topic...'Number of Wives'....
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Salam -- you addressed nothing relative to topic only Hans Wehr definitions...lol
Do you disagree prophets had more than one woman/wife?
Assalaam Alaikum @Nun...
Im not avoiding anything, personally I dont have to answer any question. Thus I reserve the right to respond to those questions and inquiries that specific to the topic and conducive to informing the audience. If you wish to discuss the 'Muhammadun' of the Quran, create a thread, I will participate.
O those who believe in the Prophet! We have made lawful to you thy wives to whom you have paid their dowers; and those whom you have control of leading to the right/blessings whom Allah has assigned to you; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with you; and ANY BELIEVING WOMAN WHO DEDICATES HER SOUL TO THE PROPHET IF THE PROPHET WISHES TO WED HER;- THIS ONLY FOR YOU / yastankihaha/ khalisatan/ , AND NOT FOR THE BELIEVERS (AT LARGE); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the those whom they have control of leading to the right/blessings;- in order that there should be no difficulty for you. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
yastankihaha/ khalisatan/
Yastankihaha (imperfect, 3rd person) wish to marry
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 577 (nakaha)Khalisatan (active participle) Distinct Quality, Someone with exclusive right, one who is pure, genuine, best choice, most excellent; Mukh-la-san / Mukh-lee-san means one who is Chosen, Chosen by Allah, pure from pollution or hypocrisy, pure & sincere towards Allah, purely believing in the unity of Allah (applied to a Human)
Lanes Lexicon Volume 2 page 785-787;
Online Single Page http//www.studyquran.co.uk/LLhome.htm
Dictionary of the Holy Quran page 161 (khalasa) -
I hope it is admitted that divorce is given only to wife and not to mother and sister.
Pl see 6501,04 who are being given divorce "Nisa" or Imraatan.Ya ayyuha alnnabiyyu itha tallaqtumu an-nisaa /
Women
Lets cease with the quiz show, lets stay on topic...'Number of Wives'....
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greetings@Muslimtruthrevealed,
Im not avoiding anything, personally I dont have to answer any question. Thus I reserve the right to respond to those questions and inquiries that specific to the topic and conducive to informing the audience. If you wish to discuss the 'Muhammadun' of the Quran, create a thread, I will participate.
O those who believe in the Prophet!
That?s OK you are free to run...lol
First you post this...
uuh excuse me, we are focusing on the arabic of the ayah NOT someone's translation. 'Zaid' s NOT in the arabic its 'zaydun'...a verb..NOT a noun.
Now you run away from answering this...
Wama muhammadun illa rasoolun...
3144 And Muhammad is not except a messenger...Likewise ? which words did you translate as those who believe in verse below?
3350 Ya ayyuha alnnabiyyu
Perhaps this will work; we include definitions in all our posts... laugh
Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
Main Entry run
Pronunciation \rn
Function verb
Inflected Form(s) ran \ran\ also chiefly dialect run; run; run?ning -
And what about this? Would you translate it as "wife" even before deciding to enter into Nikah?
Imraata / Imraatan is used interchangeably to refer wives or women.
'Wife of Nuh', Wife of Lut' & 'Wife of Firawn' in Sura 66.10-11
imraata Noohin wa imraata Lootin /
imraata firAAawna /'Imraatan' in Sura 33.50 is referring to the 'Believing Women', which makes sense because its part of a Accusative Case Imraatan Muminatan /
Tanween makes the words 'indefinite', thus indicating they are NOT 'wives' at this point, but 'Believing Women'Now lets get back to the topic 'Number of Wives'.....