Number of wives?

Muslimtruthrevealed

Nonsensical, unclear, garbled, cryptic sentences, and does not fit context...

Wa-ith taqoolu lillathee anAAama Allahu AAalayhi waanAAamta AAalayhi amsik AAalayka zawjaka waittaqi Allaha watukhfee fee nafsika ma Allahu mubdeehi watakhsha alnnasa waAllahu ahaqqu an takhshahu falamma qada zaydun minha wataran zawwajnakaha likay la yakoona AAala almu/mineena harajun fee azwaji adAAiya-ihim itha qadaw minhunna wataran wakana amru Allahi mafAAoolan

3337 And when you say to who God blessed/comforted and eased on him...

Who is ?him? referring to in the verse ? excesses?

Who is ?you? referring to and answer; is below a person/name or a verb?

Wama muhammadun illa rasoolun...
3144 And Muhammad is not except a messenger...

'Nonsensical, unclear, garbled, cryptic sentences, and does not fit context'?

33.37......A decree or judgement has brought an end to the (previous) excesses] regarding (marriage to) your FEMALE's, the one SINGLE object of your desire is for YOU to marry one female.

This part of the ayah is clearly enforcing the mandate that all previous excessive and oppressive practices as it relates to women are over, done, 'nada'

Please showme the arabic statements for

'3337 And when you say to who God blessed/comforted and eased on him...'
'him'

Also lets get the 'basics' first before attempting to argue about something you know nothing about

We will address Sura 3.144 after clarifying Sura 33.37

siki

Muslimtruthrevealed.

salam,

I appreciate your enthusiasim and have absoutely no doubts regarding your passion and sinceriety towards learning or teaching, but sister , you have to take it easy, very easy at this stage. Because I find you erring and that also grossly, in most of your posts.

I sincerly hope that you take this advice of mine in the true spirit that i intend to convey.

peace

siki

siki

To all the knowledgable sisters at this forum

I am quite sure , that you are in disagreement with Muslimtruthrvealed on some of her ideas that she has presented in this forum. But i find you all quite, just hushed up, in sisterhood, why is that so?

Is that an honest way to carry out learning? Isn't that against what GOD ordains, that you should not conceal what your hearts recognize as truth?

I am sure our sister MTR,,, would pecieve it differently, if one of you come forward and correct her instead of us.

peace

siki

Muslimtruthrevealed

Muslimtruthrevealed.

salam,

I appreciate your enthusiasim and have absoutely no doubts regarding your passion and sinceriety towards learning or teaching, but sister , you have to take it easy, very easy at this stage. Because I find you erring and that also grossly, in most of your posts.

I sincerly hope that you take this advice of mine in the true spirit that i intend to convey.

peace

siki

Assalaam Alaikum @siki

First, point I am a male

Second, The females NEVER argue against the truth only the Men argue that they can have multiple wives.

Third, The Quran is the Truth.

You nor any other individual can show ANY errors in the Quran, ONLY in the errant translations.

Now show where I am in error

Muslimtruthrevealed

Assalaam Alaikum @siki

Please show the females you so desperately wish to remain 'enlightened' by false interpretations and translations, where I am 'grossly in error'.

I await your response.

siki

Assalaam Alaikum @siki

First, point I am a male

Thanks God, half of the problem is solved.

Brother , picking out any alternate meaning of your suiting of an arabic word from the dictionary and replacing it in an ayaha? I am afraid , it does not work like that.

siki

Muslimtruthrevealed

Thanks God, half of the problem is solved.

Brother , picking out any alternate meaning of your suiting of an arabic word from the dictionary and replacing it in an ayaha? I am afraid , it does not work like that.

siki

Assalaam Alaikum @siki...

Im not concerned about your personal opinion of me. Im concerned about your assertion that I am in error as it relates to polygamy / ploygyny.

Please respond with evidence not your personal sentiment, which has no value as it relates to the Quran.

I await your response.

unknownuser

To all the knowledgable sisters at this forum

I am quite sure , that you are in disagreement with Muslimtruthrvealed on some of her ideas that she has presented in this forum. But i find you all quite, just hushed up, in sisterhood, why is that so?

Is that an honest way to carry out learning? Isn't that against what GOD ordains, that you should not conceal what your hearts recognize as truth?

I am sure our sister MTR,,, would pecieve it differently, if one of you come forward and correct her instead of us.

peace

siki

Peace siki ? agree, regardless of ones stance on the issue the silence by the more knowledgeable members is perplexing especially with the out of context grammatical nonsense bandying about. A believer cannot remain silent when obvious mangling of Quran verses are being distorted...e.g.

O those who believe in the Prophet!

'Nonsensical, unclear, garbled, cryptic sentences, and does not fit context'?

33.37......A decree or judgement has brought an end to the (previous) excesses] regarding (marriage to) your FEMALE's, the one SINGLE object of your desire is for YOU to marry one female.

This part of the ayah is clearly enforcing the mandate that all previous excessive and oppressive practices as it relates to women are over, done, 'nada'

Please showme the arabic statements for

'3337 And when you say to who God blessed/comforted and eased on him...'
'him'

Also lets get the 'basics' first before attempting to argue about something you know nothing about

We will address Sura 3.144 after clarifying Sura 33.37

Read in context starting from

Ya nisaa alnnabiyyi...
3332 You, the prophet's women (wives)...

Perhaps translate the passage in a coherent thought or say if you do not agree with wives?

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3337 Wa-ith taqoolu lillathee anAAama Allahu AAalayhi...

Lastly, we cannot continue until you first address what you posted earlier...

uuh excuse me, we are focusing on the arabic of the ayah NOT someone's translation. 'Zaid' s NOT in the arabic its 'zaydun'...a verb..NOT a noun.

Therefore, since you know Arabic ?grammar and dictionaries? according to German scholars, Hans Wehr et al, answer the simple question...

Is below person/name or a verb?

3144 Wama muhammadun illa rasoolun..

3340 Ma kana muhammadun...

4829 Muhammadun rasoolu Allahi

Muslimtruthrevealed

Assalaam Aalikum

Look folks, this is NOT an argument, nor an exercise in who can translate better or who knows arabic.

The topic is 'Number of Wives'.

I addressed the ayah Sura 4.3 from the Quranic Arabic grammar, then gave supporting references from the Quran from Sur'a 33.37 & 24.32 and 33.50.

ALL of my references clearly suggest and make it clear that Allah does NOT support the practice of polygamy / polygyny in regards to the Quran's instruction.

Now, you are free to enlist the assistance of anyone you choose to refute what I have shown from the Quran, its fine.

In fact, I host a room on www.paltalk.com 'Quran Says No Polygamy No Polygyny No Pimping'

Your invited to discuss the topic here or there.

I await your response.

Al_Araf

salam muslimthreadrevealed.

you forge lies against allah with your claims that polygyny is not supported.

allah exposes lies with the truth.

Muslimtruthrevealed

Assalaam Alaikum @Nun

Again, its obvious you do NOT study the Quran in the language of the Quran.

Nisa does NOT mean 'wives'

When Allah refer's to 'wives' Allah uses the term 'Imraatan'

When Allah refers to (a gender neutral reference) 'mates' Allah uses the term 'azwajan'

Now again before I choose to engage you any further, lets get the basics down first.

Im still awaiting a response to my request regarding your translation of 33.37

Please showme the arabic statements for

'3337 And when you say to who God blessed/comforted and eased on him...'
'him'

Al_Araf

salam muslimthreadrevealed.

im sure you know what to do. go to the temple of the idol worshippers at ptah. youre much happier with them.

allah exposes lies with the truth.

Mazhar

When Allah refer's to 'wives' Allah uses the term 'Imraatan'

What about 'Imraatan' of 2723 "I found 'Imraatan' ruling over them"

unknownuser

Assalaam Alaikum @Nun

Again, its obvious you do NOT study the Quran in the language of the Quran.

Nisa does NOT mean 'wives'

When Allah refer's to 'wives' Allah uses the term 'Imraatan'

When Allah refers to (a gender neutral reference) 'mates' Allah uses the term 'azwajan'

Now again before I choose to engage you any further, lets get the basics down first.

Im still awaiting a response to my request regarding your translation of 33.37

Please showme the arabic statements for

'3337 And when you say to who God blessed/comforted and eased on him...'
'him'

Greeting@Muslimtruthrevealed,

OK I'll be nice and ignore the know it all pseudo-intellectual comments.

I posted...

Ya nisaa alnnabiyyi...
3332 You, the prophet's women (wives)...

The prophet's women (wives, plural in parentheses) whereas imraatu when referring to one.

Also was posted the entire context from 3332-37 including...

3337 Wa-ith taqoolu lillathee anAAama Allahu AAalayhi...

Do you disagree prophets had more than one woman/wife?

Also, why avoid not answering a simple question; is below person/name or a verb?

3144 Wama muhammadun illa rasoolun..

3340 Ma kana muhammadun...

4829 Muhammadun rasoolu Allahi

Mazhar

And what about this? Would you translate it as "wife" even before deciding to enter into Nikah?

Mazhar

Nisa does NOT mean 'wives'

When Allah refer's to 'wives' Allah uses the term 'Imraatan'

I hope it is admitted that divorce is given only to wife and not to mother and sister.
Pl see 6501,04 who are being given divorce "Nisa" or Imraatan.

unknownuser

I hope it is admitted that divorce is given only to wife and not to mother and sister.
Pl see 6501,04 who are being given divorce "Nisa" or Imraatan.

Peace Mazhar,

Good points above -- always read Quran in context and cross-reference to get best meaning.

Mazhar

When Allah refers to (a gender neutral reference) 'mates' Allah uses the term 'azwajan'

This too is a wrong perception;

If "azwajan" is merely "mate" and not 'wife' how has she been made pregnant?

Al_Araf

salam mazhar. i could not stop laughing. i did not want to laugh.

yes, how can a man get pregnant? like i said before how can a man have menstruation?

i know superior western enlightened people have been to the moon and back. is there something new they have, men who get pregnant and menstruate?

majnoon dhimmi.

allah is the truth.

Muslimtruthrevealed

Assalaam Alaikum @Nun

We went over this already.... Here is the answer....again

Ya Nominative Case

?Ya? used to express feelings or affection towards someone or something when followed by a verbal noun or Nominative Case.
Language of the Holy Quran, page 400

Next point relative to the topic please.......

@Mazhar...By the way, I dont play 'hide and seek' or the 'shell game' with the Quranic ayahs