Number of wives?
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It's quite obvious that you seem to be 'running' from Sura 33.37. I have given you my perception and understanding of the ayah,
Read in context not mangled verses and pseudo-intellectual-grammatical-nonsensical buzz words...
3332-37 O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty, then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire, but speak in an honorable manner. And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Sal?t, and give Zak?t and obey All?h and His Messenger. All?h wishes only to remove Ar?Rijs (evil deeds and sins) from you, O members of the family, and to purify you with a thorough purification. And remember, that which is recited in your houses of the Verses of All?h and Al?Hikmah. Verily, All?h is Ever Most Courteous, Well?Acquainted with all things. Verily, the Muslims men and women, the believers men and women, the men and the women who are obedient, the men and women who are truthful, the men and the women who are patient, the men and the women who are humble, the men and the women who give Sadaq?t, the men and the women who observe Saum (fast), the men and the women who guard their chastity and the men and the women who remember All?h much with their hearts and tongues. All?h has prepared for them forgiveness and a great reward. It is not for a believer, man or woman, when All?h and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys All?h and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in to a plain error. And when you said to him on whom All?h has bestowed Grace and you have done favour "Keep your wife to yourself, and fear All?h." But you did hide in yourself that which All?h will make manifest, you did fear the people whereas All?h had a better right that you should fear Him. So when Zaid had accomplished his desire from her, We gave her to you in marriage, so that there may be no difficulty to the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons when the latter have no desire to keep them. And All?h's Command must be fulfilled.
The woman above was not a widow and Qur?an does not forbid more than one wife if all parties are agreeable.
The issue is frowned upon especially by missionary not right in the head sexual deviates in ?modern? society which expects/encourages young girls learn to perform in their mid-teens and majority of adults are morally hypocritical cheating unfaithful with over 55% divorce.
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Read in context not mangled verses and pseudo-intellectual-grammatical-nonsensical buzz words...
3332-37 O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty, then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire, but speak in an honorable manner. And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Sal?t, and give Zak?t and obey All?h and His Messenger. All?h wishes only to remove Ar?Rijs (evil deeds and sins) from you, O members of the family, and to purify you with a thorough purification. And remember, that which is recited in your houses of the Verses of All?h and Al?Hikmah. Verily, All?h is Ever Most Courteous, Well?Acquainted with all things. Verily, the Muslims men and women, the believers men and women, the men and the women who are obedient, the men and women who are truthful, the men and the women who are patient, the men and the women who are humble, the men and the women who give Sadaq?t, the men and the women who observe Saum (fast), the men and the women who guard their chastity and the men and the women who remember All?h much with their hearts and tongues. All?h has prepared for them forgiveness and a great reward. It is not for a believer, man or woman, when All?h and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys All?h and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in to a plain error. And when you said to him on whom All?h has bestowed Grace and you have done favour "Keep your wife to yourself, and fear All?h." But you did hide in yourself that which All?h will make manifest, you did fear the people whereas All?h had a better right that you should fear Him. So when Zaid had accomplished his desire from her, We gave her to you in marriage, so that there may be no difficulty to the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons when the latter have no desire to keep them. And All?h's Command must be fulfilled.
The woman above was not a widow and Qur?an does forbid more than one wife if all parties are agreeable.
The issue is only frowned upon especially by missionary not right in the head sexual deviates in ?modern? society which expects/encourages young girls learn to perform in their mid-teens and majority of adults are morally hypocritical cheating unfaithful with over 55% divorce.
uuh excuse me, we are focusing on the arabic of the ayah NOT someone's translation. 'Zaid' s NOT in the arabic its 'zaydun'...a verb..NOT a noun.
'adopted son' is NOT in the ayah adAAiya-ihim various meanings relating to take legal action against, institute legal proceedings against, pretense, allegation, litigation, prosecution, suit, lawsuit, arrogance, self-importance, vanity
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Thanks.
I had been looking for any such clue since long.
siki
For those / who take an oath for abstention from their wives, a waiting for four / arbaAAati months is ordained; if then they return, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
The ayah is speaking as a general statement to the collective community....
Thus Sura 2.232 is speaking to the general population as a ummah..NOT as individuals
Al-Baqarah 2.232] When you divorce women, and they fulfil the term of their ('Iddat), do not prevent them from marrying their husbands, if they mutually agree on equitable terms. This instruction is for all amongst you, who believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is (the course Making for) most virtue and purity amongst you and Allah knows, and you know not.
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uuh excuse me, we are focusing on the arabic of the ayah NOT someone's translation. 'Zaid' s NOT in the arabic its 'zaydun'...a verb..NOT a noun.
Read in context; it can only be a person and names in any language are often derived from verbs...
3337...so when zaydun ended from her a need/desire (divorced) We made you marry her...
Is below a person/name or verb?
Wama muhammadun illa rasoolun...
3144 And Muhammad is not except a messenger... -
Read in context; it can only be a person and names in any language are often derived from verbs...
3337...so when zaydun ended from her a need/desire (divorced) We made you marry her...
Is below a person/name or verb?
Wama muhammadun illa rasoolun...
3144 And Muhammad is not except a messenger...zaydun to become greater, grow, become more, increase, compound, multiply, amount to more, exceed; Hans Wehr Arabic Dictionary page 451-452 (zada)
This statement does NOT exist in the Arabic of this ayah 'so when zaydun ended from her a need/desire (divorced) We made you marry her'
Better rendition......
33.37...qada zaydun minha wataran zawwaj nakaha li-kaa (for YOU)
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Salaams,
isn,t the following ayah simply telling us we can marry as many as we can manage sensibly?
I've got a complaint about the way the poll is worded.
It doesn't mean "How many women one can marry" - this sounds like it is assuming all forum users are male.
It surely means "How many women a man can marry". Please remember to avoid sexist assumptions next time! Such assumptions can twist people's understanding of the Quran.
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zaydun to become greater, grow, become more, increase, compound, multiply, amount to more, exceed; Hans Wehr Arabic Dictionary page 451-452 (zada)
This statement does NOT exist in the Arabic of this ayah 'so when zaydun ended from her a need/desire (divorced) We made you marry her'
Better rendition......
33.37...qada zaydun minha wataran zawwaj nakaha li-kaa (for YOU)
Nonsensical, unclear, garbled, cryptic sentences, and does not fit context...
Wa-ith taqoolu lillathee anAAama Allahu AAalayhi waanAAamta AAalayhi amsik AAalayka zawjaka waittaqi Allaha watukhfee fee nafsika ma Allahu mubdeehi watakhsha alnnasa waAllahu ahaqqu an takhshahu falamma qada zaydun minha wataran zawwajnakaha likay la yakoona AAala almu/mineena harajun fee azwaji adAAiya-ihim itha qadaw minhunna wataran wakana amru Allahi mafAAoolan
3337 And when you say to who God blessed/comforted and eased on him...
Who is ?him? referring to in the verse ? excesses?
Who is ?you? referring to and answer; is below a person/name or a verb?
Wama muhammadun illa rasoolun...
3144 And Muhammad is not except a messenger... -
Nonsensical, unclear, garbled, cryptic sentences, and does not fit context...
Wa-ith taqoolu lillathee anAAama Allahu AAalayhi waanAAamta AAalayhi amsik AAalayka zawjaka waittaqi Allaha watukhfee fee nafsika ma Allahu mubdeehi watakhsha alnnasa waAllahu ahaqqu an takhshahu falamma qada zaydun minha wataran zawwajnakaha likay la yakoona AAala almu/mineena harajun fee azwaji adAAiya-ihim itha qadaw minhunna wataran wakana amru Allahi mafAAoolan
3337 And when you say to who God blessed/comforted and eased on him...
Who is ?him? referring to in the verse ? excesses?
Who is ?you? referring to and answer; is below a person/name or a verb?
Wama muhammadun illa rasoolun...
3144 And Muhammad is not except a messenger...'Nonsensical, unclear, garbled, cryptic sentences, and does not fit context'?
33.37......A decree or judgement has brought an end to the (previous) excesses] regarding (marriage to) your FEMALE's, the one SINGLE object of your desire is for YOU to marry one female.
This part of the ayah is clearly enforcing the mandate that all previous excessive and oppressive practices as it relates to women are over, done, 'nada'
Please showme the arabic statements for
- '3337 And when you say to who God blessed/comforted and eased on him...'
- 'him'
Also lets get the 'basics' first before attempting to argue about something you know nothing about
We will address Sura 3.144 after clarifying Sura 33.37
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Muslimtruthrevealed.
salam,
I appreciate your enthusiasim and have absoutely no doubts regarding your passion and sinceriety towards learning or teaching, but sister , you have to take it easy, very easy at this stage. Because I find you erring and that also grossly, in most of your posts.
I sincerly hope that you take this advice of mine in the true spirit that i intend to convey.
peace
siki
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To all the knowledgable sisters at this forum
I am quite sure , that you are in disagreement with Muslimtruthrvealed on some of her ideas that she has presented in this forum. But i find you all quite, just hushed up, in sisterhood, why is that so?
Is that an honest way to carry out learning? Isn't that against what GOD ordains, that you should not conceal what your hearts recognize as truth?
I am sure our sister MTR,,, would pecieve it differently, if one of you come forward and correct her instead of us.
peace
siki
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Muslimtruthrevealed.
salam,
I appreciate your enthusiasim and have absoutely no doubts regarding your passion and sinceriety towards learning or teaching, but sister , you have to take it easy, very easy at this stage. Because I find you erring and that also grossly, in most of your posts.
I sincerly hope that you take this advice of mine in the true spirit that i intend to convey.
peace
siki
Assalaam Alaikum @siki
First, point I am a male
Second, The females NEVER argue against the truth only the Men argue that they can have multiple wives.
Third, The Quran is the Truth.
You nor any other individual can show ANY errors in the Quran, ONLY in the errant translations.
Now show where I am in error
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Assalaam Alaikum @siki
Please show the females you so desperately wish to remain 'enlightened' by false interpretations and translations, where I am 'grossly in error'.
I await your response.
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Assalaam Alaikum @siki
First, point I am a male
Thanks God, half of the problem is solved.
Brother , picking out any alternate meaning of your suiting of an arabic word from the dictionary and replacing it in an ayaha? I am afraid , it does not work like that.
siki
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Thanks God, half of the problem is solved.
Brother , picking out any alternate meaning of your suiting of an arabic word from the dictionary and replacing it in an ayaha? I am afraid , it does not work like that.
siki
Assalaam Alaikum @siki...
Im not concerned about your personal opinion of me. Im concerned about your assertion that I am in error as it relates to polygamy / ploygyny.
Please respond with evidence not your personal sentiment, which has no value as it relates to the Quran.
I await your response.
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To all the knowledgable sisters at this forum
I am quite sure , that you are in disagreement with Muslimtruthrvealed on some of her ideas that she has presented in this forum. But i find you all quite, just hushed up, in sisterhood, why is that so?
Is that an honest way to carry out learning? Isn't that against what GOD ordains, that you should not conceal what your hearts recognize as truth?
I am sure our sister MTR,,, would pecieve it differently, if one of you come forward and correct her instead of us.
peace
siki
Peace siki ? agree, regardless of ones stance on the issue the silence by the more knowledgeable members is perplexing especially with the out of context grammatical nonsense bandying about. A believer cannot remain silent when obvious mangling of Quran verses are being distorted...e.g.
O those who believe in the Prophet!
'Nonsensical, unclear, garbled, cryptic sentences, and does not fit context'?
33.37......A decree or judgement has brought an end to the (previous) excesses] regarding (marriage to) your FEMALE's, the one SINGLE object of your desire is for YOU to marry one female.
This part of the ayah is clearly enforcing the mandate that all previous excessive and oppressive practices as it relates to women are over, done, 'nada'
Please showme the arabic statements for
- '3337 And when you say to who God blessed/comforted and eased on him...'
- 'him'
Also lets get the 'basics' first before attempting to argue about something you know nothing about
We will address Sura 3.144 after clarifying Sura 33.37
Read in context starting from
Ya nisaa alnnabiyyi...
3332 You, the prophet's women (wives)...Perhaps translate the passage in a coherent thought or say if you do not agree with wives?
(٢ (٣ (٤ (٥ (٦ (٧
3337 Wa-ith taqoolu lillathee anAAama Allahu AAalayhi...
Lastly, we cannot continue until you first address what you posted earlier...
uuh excuse me, we are focusing on the arabic of the ayah NOT someone's translation. 'Zaid' s NOT in the arabic its 'zaydun'...a verb..NOT a noun.
Therefore, since you know Arabic ?grammar and dictionaries? according to German scholars, Hans Wehr et al, answer the simple question...
Is below person/name or a verb?
3144 Wama muhammadun illa rasoolun..
3340 Ma kana muhammadun...
4829 Muhammadun rasoolu Allahi
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Assalaam Aalikum
Look folks, this is NOT an argument, nor an exercise in who can translate better or who knows arabic.
The topic is 'Number of Wives'.
I addressed the ayah Sura 4.3 from the Quranic Arabic grammar, then gave supporting references from the Quran from Sur'a 33.37 & 24.32 and 33.50.
ALL of my references clearly suggest and make it clear that Allah does NOT support the practice of polygamy / polygyny in regards to the Quran's instruction.
Now, you are free to enlist the assistance of anyone you choose to refute what I have shown from the Quran, its fine.
In fact, I host a room on www.paltalk.com 'Quran Says No Polygamy No Polygyny No Pimping'
Your invited to discuss the topic here or there.
I await your response.
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Assalaam Alaikum @Nun
Again, its obvious you do NOT study the Quran in the language of the Quran.
Nisa does NOT mean 'wives'
When Allah refer's to 'wives' Allah uses the term 'Imraatan'
When Allah refers to (a gender neutral reference) 'mates' Allah uses the term 'azwajan'
Now again before I choose to engage you any further, lets get the basics down first.
Im still awaiting a response to my request regarding your translation of 33.37
Please showme the arabic statements for
- '3337 And when you say to who God blessed/comforted and eased on him...'
- 'him'