Number of wives?
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Assalaam Alaikum
Ok Lets just jump to the chase....
I will NOT post the english translation, because EVERYONE I have encountered is wrong.....
Wain khiftum alla tuqsitoo fee alyatama fa inkihoo {MA TABA lakum minna alnnisai mathna wathulatha warubaAAa} fain khiftum alla taAAdiloo fawahidatan aw ma malakat aymanukum thalika adna alla taAAooloo
Wain khiftum alla tuqsitoo fee alyatama fa VERBAL SENTENCE >>> inkihoo ADVERBAL MODIFIERS >>> MA TABA lakum minna <<< GENITIVE >>> alnnisai ADJECTIVES >>> mathna wathulatha warubaAAa <<< fain khiftum alla taAAdiloo fa ADJECTIVE Subject (Al Nisa) >>>> wahidatan <<< aw ma malakat aymanukum thalika adna alla taAAooloo
It is Ma = NOT Taba = good/lawful Lakum =TO/For YOU to be given the Minna = favor/gift/blessing/benefit of Al Nisai = (get married to) Women Mathna = 2, Thulatha = 3, and Rubaa = 4 TIMES
IT IS NOT LAWFUL to divorce get married, divorce get married, divorce get married again and divorce and get married again (and in doing so leave a family behind EACH time!)
Al Yatama does NOT mean 'orphan'....
?Al? (adataatarif) is a Definite Article , used to give the meaning of ?Most, All, Complete, Maximum, Whole, and to denote comprehensiveness, all aspects or categories of a subject, or to denote perfection and includes all degrees and grades.
yatama sole, unmatched, single, lonely, jaded, one withoutparents; Root word atamm means more complete, more perfect, perfectly prepared, totally ready; Root word Tamm meaning consummate, of full value, self contained, needing no completion; Root word Tamma means to or become complete, completed, finished, done, to be performed, be accomplished, to come to an end;
Hans Wehr Arabic English Dictionary 4th Ed. page 117-118 (tamma)When Allah references 'orphans' Allah uses the word 'yateem'
Al-Insan/Al-Dahr 76.8] And for His love they feed the food to the miskeen / the needy (who is reduced to poverty) and the yateem / orphan and aseer / captive.
No, No! but you honour not the orphans / al-yateema!
mathna wa thulatha wa rubaAAa does not mean two three and four because two, three and four in Arabic are ithnaan, thalatha and arbaa' and not mathna, thulatha and rubaa
ithnan means 2 thalatha means 3 arba?a means 4
Allah confirms the definitive use of ALL these cardinal / ordinal number references in the following ayahs
Praise be to Allah, Who created (out of nothing) the heavens and the earth, Who made the angels, messengers with wings,- two/ mathna, or three/ thulatha, or four/ rubaAAa. He adds to Creation as He pleases. for Allah has power over all things.
O you who believe! When death approaches any of you, (take) witnesses among yourselves when making bequests,- two / ithnani just men of your own
O, you who believe those whom your right possess and those among you who have not reach puberty, ask permission from you three / thalatha times/repetitions / marratin
For those who take an oath for abstention from their wives, a waiting for four / arbaAAati
sadeeqal atheemi / Allah has revealed the truth
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salam simple. please ignore muslimthreadrevealed's ranting.
muhammad had multiple wives. abraham had mutliple wives. allh called both men righteous and blessed them.
muslimthreadrevealed's post implies that muhammad and abraham were rejecters and not muslim because they had multiple wives.
muslimthreadrevealed's posts are majnun
allah separates falsehood from the truth.
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liquiddharma. your claim betrays nothing short of utter ignorance. ignorance of english. ignorance greek, from which the particular english word is borrowed. in this age of the computer, there is no excuse for blithely posting on the forum, without doing your research.
polygamy is a greek word. poly means multiple in greek. gamy means going in. polygamy means multiple going in. the word polygamy defined the greek practice of going into young boys and later going into women. medieval europe took this word and altered the defintion to describe the biblical restriction on a woman marrying more than once, that a woman could not get a divorce, and if her husband died she had to be locked up. post medieval europe got rid of the widows restriction leading to the current "serial monogamy" claim of definition. currently the "serial monogamy" definition is, one husband at a time. this sequence of events demonstrates that pagan europe never knew what was right in the first instance, did not have it right in the second instance, and do not have it right in the third instance. the fact that they change the meaning of a word to suit their arbitrary practices and fashions, demonstrates their pagan blundering around.
the word polygamy does not exist in the quran. using this pagan term demonstrates the pagan influences on the speaker. to compare the actions of the prophets to this greek word, is ludicrous, and those that seek to impose this greek word on muslim practices are pagans who try and bring their pagan practices along with them. listeners for the sake of a lie. people who will only believe if they can find something that they think is the same as their pagan beliefs in the quran. a person who utters the word polygamy cannot be a muslim or a momin. the fact they use the term polygamy is their mouth and hands testifying against them, that they worship the greek gods and the laws of greece.
the prophets follow the hudood, plural of hadd, the limits and laws established by allah. it is jaiz, and wajib for a muslim and momin, to have multiple zawj and amrat fi malkat aymanakum. in english, it is permitted and optional for a believer and practitioner to have multiple wives and wards held in righteousness.
allah is the lawgiver.
In other words, you have nothing to say, you don't like what I say but you haven't thought the issue through enough to actualy respond to the points I make, so you just blag and insult and repeat yourself. Why do you bother?
Rant arg brog brrrr PAGANS grr rant grrr IGNORANT OF ARABIC brrr rant brr POLYGAMY!
ALLAH IS THE (insert random, authoritative sounding noun)
/sigh
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Peace,
Treat others the way you want to be treated. And respect the dignity, privacy and freedom of all individuals be they male or female. group
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salam thesilverlining. there is no respect for those who forge lies against allah. no respect for those who commit shirk by adding words to the quran. no respect for those who mislead believers. they earn their own sins and the sins of those they have misled with their lies.
allah is the only one worthy of respect.
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Peace Al Araf,
I was mainly speaking in terms of the topic of discussion ie. having multiple wives. Respect the dignity, privacy and freedom of the woman in your life just as you would expect her to respect yours.
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salam far. now you forge lies against me.
i said
there is no limit on the number of wives a momin can have in the quran.
you forge a lie claiming
And of course you meant there was a limit of four?
i never said there is a limit of four, why do you forge lies?
allah exposes falsehood.
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Peace Al Araf,
I was mainly speaking in terms of the topic of discussion ie. having multiple wives. Respect the dignity, privacy and freedom of the woman in your life just as you would expect her to respect yours.
Peace, it's no use, do not try and reason with the troll.
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Yeah I figured that too liquidharma, which is the reason why I didn't respond to his comment.
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salam far. now you forge lies against me.
i said
you forge a lie claiming
i never said there is a limit of four, why do you forge lies?
allah exposes falsehood.
I asked a question, quite different from making a statement.
Please reread what I wrote.
Since you didn't say there was a limit of four, which I suspected you didn't, perhaps you should take note of that which the god sanctions, is what the god demands. Anything beyond that is overstepping the god's commands. Since the god only mentions with two, three or four women (for those who are worried about orphans and their mothers) if one can be just to them, otherwise only one for marriage, or those other ones.
Please provide how you got to the idea of no upper limit.
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salam far. you ask how did i get to this idea of no upper limit.
i did not get to this idea. the upper limit does not exist when i read the quran.
you have seen the same as me, that the prophet was told he could have no more wives, except from those his right hand posess.
you have also seen the verses that talk about having two, or three, or four wives, and you have seen it does not contain a prohibition for any more wives, like the prohibition placed on the prophet.
when you use the term limit, or had, the only person who can limit is allah. allah has not placed a limit on the number of wives. if allah does not place a limit on the number of wives, it would be shirk for anyone to place a limit.
obviously allah knows how to place a limit if that was his intention. he demonstrated his ability to place a limit when he limited the prophet. allah had no intention to limit others in the number of wives, otherwise, he would have plainly said, as he said to the prophet, that rajal, cannot have more than four nisa or zawj, and would not have needed a separate ayat to prohibit the prophet.
allah is the lawgiver.
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salam. the people who make claims, like marry only those you can manage sensibly, have only themselves as authorities for their claims.
if allah wished to say this he would have said that. he did not say that.
no amount of listening to the quran for the sake of a lie, will justify the lies.
allah is the truth.
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salam. the people who make claims, like marry only those you can manage sensibly, have only themselves as authorities for their claims.
if allah wished to say this he would have said that. he did not say that.
no amount of listening to the quran for the sake of a lie, will justify the lies.
allah is the truth.
The same could be said that if the god wished that you could marry more than four then the god would have mentioned that you can marry as much as you want, no?
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salam far. no.
your question betrays a lack of understanding of law. laws are prohibitions, tahrim, those things made haram.
laws are not a collection of the things allowed. to expect the law to state, this is allowed, that is allowed would result in a ridiculous situation. let me give you an example. let us say, a law states four wives are permitted, then the law states five wives are permitted, then the law states six wives are permitted, ad nauseaum. the law if written like this will result in a catastrophically huge impossible to manage writing.
do not expect to see in a law, this is allowed, that is allowed. the legal rule is "silence is assent" in other words when the quran is silent on a subject, it constitutes the assent of allah. the term mubah is the arabic equivalent for this concept. if allah is silent on an issue, it is permitted. allah is silent on the maximum number of wives, therefore allah has no intention of limiting the number of wives, there is no limit.
allah is the lawgiver.
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It amazes me how the very people who insist on calling others liars, running from thread to thread insulting people, slandering people, are the same people calling EACH other liars.... yes
The Quran defines this behavior in human beings as a negative personality trait.....
Those who brought forward the lie are a body/gang group among yourselves / jaoo bi-ifki ausbatun minkum. think it not to be an evil to you; On the contrary it is good for you. to every man among them (will come the punishment) of the sin that he earned, and to him who took on himself the lead among them, will be a penalty grievous.
Allah challenges the True Muslim Mumin/Believer to expose these people ....
Why did not the believers - men and women - when you heard of the affair,- put the best construction on it in their own minds and say, "This is an obvious lie" ?
An-Nur 24.15] Behold, you received it on your tongues, and said out of your mouths things of which you had no knowledge; and you thought it to be a light matter, while it was most serious in the sight of Allah.
And why did you not, when you heard it, say? - "It is not right of us to speak of this. Glory to Allah! this is a most serious slander!"
These individuals claiming they can have 2,3 and 4 wives are just slandering Allah's guidance. They cannot change the Allah's words, so they resort to slandering not only the Quran but those who uphold the Quran.
Again, Sura Nisa 4.3 is NOT speaking about marrying 2,3 and 4 wives its referring to divorce. This 'pimping', 'prostituting' perception and behavior originates in the imagination, ego's and lust of Men.
The 'Sunnah' that has been in practice in regards to human social interaction has been marriage, a life long commitment to ONE individual, this has been the 'Sunnah' throughout human history and continues today.
Sunnata Allahi among those who lived aforetime. No change will you find in the sunnati Allahi.
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salam far. no.
your question betrays a lack of understanding of law. laws are prohibitions, tahrim, those things made haram.
laws are not a collection of the things allowed. to expect the law to state, this is allowed, that is allowed would result in a ridiculous situation. let me give you an example. let us say, a law states four wives are permitted, then the law states five wives are permitted, then the law states six wives are permitted, ad nauseaum. the law if written like this will result in a catastrophically huge impossible to manage writing.
do not expect to see in a law, this is allowed, that is allowed. the legal rule is "silence is assent" in other words when the quran is silent on a subject, it constitutes the assent of allah. the term mubah is the arabic equivalent for this concept. if allah is silent on an issue, it is permitted. allah is silent on the maximum number of wives, therefore allah has no intention of limiting the number of wives, there is no limit.
allah is the lawgiver.
Yes I've heard of that, is it from the Quran? Though technically, such a law system would be more thorough than anything else, no?
It amazes me how the very people who insist on calling others liars, running from thread to thread insulting people, slandering people, are the same people calling EACH other liars.... yes
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Again, Sura Nisa 4.3 is NOT speaking about marrying 2,3 and 4 wives its referring to divorce. This 'pimping', 'prostituting' perception and behavior originates in the imagination, ego's and lust of Men.
...Who are you refering to?
As for your opinion on 43... we'll have to make a vote no? Quran 4365