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    WayFinder
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    I am not of same opinion... One is follower of Muhammad and the other is follower of Ali ... The only common ground both of them are Al-Quran.... However, the shia have 2 more surahs in their Quran... This is what I learn when I was studying 'Islamic Studies' at college.... I need someone to confirm that... So are they prepared to come back to Al-Quran and make new ties.... I think it is not very probable, considering how arrogant both are through their clerics and imams... But whatever can happen by the Will of God.. SO the best thing to do is to pray and ask for the best out of these circumstances...

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      Peace everyone,

      God has promised victory to the believers

      3047 And We have sent before you messengers to their people. So they came to them with clear proofs; then We took revenge on those who were criminals. And it is an obligation for Us to grant victory to the believers.

      Now the question is, are shias and sunnis believers?

      According to alquran, those who divide themselves into sects have been called mushrikeen (3031-32, please note that there is no "OR" in the Arabic between "mushrikeen" and "min allatheena farraqoo". Translators deliberately mistranslate by putting an "or" there to make the reader think that sectarians are not being called mushrikeen) and believers are advised to have nothing to do with them. Any person who insists on belonging to sects is actually a rejecter/disbeliever/setting up partners with God according to al-quran, so how can God grant them victory or help them?

      3103 And hold firmly to the rope of God, all of you, and DO NOT BE DIVIDED.

      6159 THOSE WHO HAVE DIVIDED THEIR DEEN AND BECOME SECTS, YOU ARE NOT WITH THEM IN ANYTHING. Their matter will be with God, then He will inform them of what they had done.

      3031-32 Turn to Him, and be aware of Him, and uphold the salaat, and DO NOT BE OF THOSE WHO SET UP PARTNERS (MUSHRIKEEN) -- THOSE WHO SPLIT UP THEIR DEEN, AND THEY BECAME SECTS, EACH GROUP HAPPY WITH WHAT IT HAD.

      4213 He has decreed for you the same deen He ordained for Noah, and what We inspired to you, and what We ordained for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus ?You shall uphold this deen, and DO NOT DIVIDE IN IT. ? Intolerable for those who have set up partners is what you invite them towards. God chooses for Himself whomever He wills; He guides to Himself those who repent.

      The sectarians clearly reject/disregard these words of God and instead fabricate false ahadeeth and falsely ascribe them to the prophet

      456 These are God's revelations that We recite to you with truth. So, in which HADEETH after God and His revelations do they believe?
      457 Woe to every sinful fabricator.
      458 He hears God?s revelations being recited to him, then he persists arrogantly, as if he never heard them. Give him news of a painful retribution.
      459 And if he learns anything from Our revelations, he makes fun of them. For these will be a humiliating retribution.
      4510 Waiting for them is Hell. And that which they earned will not help them, nor those whom they have taken as allies besides God, and for them is a terrible retribution.
      4511 This is a guidance. And those who reject the revelations of their Lord, for them is an affliction of a painful retribution.

      2530 And the messenger said ?My Lord, my people have deserted this Qur?an.?

      Unless these sectarians repent from the shirk of sectarianism and start accepting and following God's words, there is no hope for them, and God will never help them.

      4221 Or do they have partners who decree for them a deen which has not been authorized by God? And if it were not for the word already given, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed, the transgressors will have a painful retribution.

      428 And had God willed, He could have made them one nation. But He admits whom He wills into His mercy. And the transgressors will have neither an ally, nor helper.

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        Peace everyone,

        God has promised victory to the believers

        3047 And We have sent before you messengers to their people. So they came to them with clear proofs; then We took revenge on those who were criminals. And it is an obligation for Us to grant victory to the believers.

        Now the question is, are shias and sunnis believers?

        According to alquran, those who divide themselves into sects have been called mushrikeen (3031-32, please note that there is no "OR" in the Arabic between "mushrikeen" and "min allatheena farraqoo". Translators deliberately mistranslate by putting an "or" there to make the reader think that sectarians are not being called mushrikeen) and believers are advised to have nothing to do with them. Any person who insists on belonging to sects is actually a rejecter/disbeliever/setting up partners with God according to al-quran, so how can God grant them victory or help them?

        3103 And hold firmly to the rope of God, all of you, and DO NOT BE DIVIDED.

        6159 THOSE WHO HAVE DIVIDED THEIR DEEN AND BECOME SECTS, YOU ARE NOT WITH THEM IN ANYTHING. Their matter will be with God, then He will inform them of what they had done.

        3031-32 Turn to Him, and be aware of Him, and uphold the salaat, and DO NOT BE OF THOSE WHO SET UP PARTNERS (MUSHRIKEEN) -- THOSE WHO SPLIT UP THEIR DEEN, AND THEY BECAME SECTS, EACH GROUP HAPPY WITH WHAT IT HAD.

        4213 He has decreed for you the same deen He ordained for Noah, and what We inspired to you, and what We ordained for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus ?You shall uphold this deen, and DO NOT DIVIDE IN IT. ? Intolerable for those who have set up partners is what you invite them towards. God chooses for Himself whomever He wills; He guides to Himself those who repent.

        The sectarians clearly reject/disregard these words of God and instead fabricate false ahadeeth and falsely ascribe them to the prophet

        456 These are God's revelations that We recite to you with truth. So, in which HADEETH after God and His revelations do they believe?
        457 Woe to every sinful fabricator.
        458 He hears God?s revelations being recited to him, then he persists arrogantly, as if he never heard them. Give him news of a painful retribution.
        459 And if he learns anything from Our revelations, he makes fun of them. For these will be a humiliating retribution.
        4510 Waiting for them is Hell. And that which they earned will not help them, nor those whom they have taken as allies besides God, and for them is a terrible retribution.
        4511 This is a guidance. And those who reject the revelations of their Lord, for them is an affliction of a painful retribution.

        2530 And the messenger said ?My Lord, my people have deserted this Qur?an.?

        Unless these sectarians repent from the shirk of sectarianism and start accepting and following God's words, there is no hope for them, and God will never help them.

        4221 Or do they have partners who decree for them a deen which has not been authorized by God? And if it were not for the word already given, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed, the transgressors will have a painful retribution.

        428 And had God willed, He could have made them one nation. But He admits whom He wills into His mercy. And the transgressors will have neither an ally, nor helper.

        sun peace

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          Hope
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          salam Soraya

          319 "The system with God is submission, and those who received the Scripture did not dispute except after the knowledge came to them out of jealousy between them. And whoever rejects God?s signs, then God is swift in judgment."
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          4214 "And they only divided after the knowledge had come to them, due to resentment among themselves"

          I dont think that peace between sunni and shiah can ever happen.

          Peace between isreal and palestine? ??? who knows??

          The only solution be by obying god alone sun

          Peace

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            Soraya
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            We all are aware that its haraam to be divided into sects
            But in a way..its the authorities that are to be blamed..Infact they are using the British tactic
            Divide and Rule..
            I think we cant blame the masses of people..despite knowing that they have brains to choose what to listen to and what not..
            We have only 1 solution Pray Allah for them and that their hatred end..Inshah Allah

            Its Allah who judges who is a Muslim and who is not..And A Muslim is someone who submits to Allah..
            so I wish to say that either Shiah or Sunni,they all are muslims..Alhamdulilah

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              SwedenMajidah
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              We all are aware that its haraam to be divided into sects
              But in a way..its the authorities that are to be blamed..Infact they are using the British tactic
              Divide and Rule..
              I think we cant blame the masses of people..despite knowing that they have brains to choose what to listen to and what not..
              We have only 1 solution Pray Allah for them and that their hatred end..Inshah Allah

              Its Allah who judges who is a Muslim and who is not..And A Muslim is someone who submits to Allah..
              so I wish to say that either Shiah or Sunni,they all are muslims..Alhamdulilah

              Salam,

              You are right that it is God who judge who is a muslim/mumin but we can get a hint when we read Al-Quran of what is the attribute of a muslim and mumin.

              It's wrong to divide into sects, so the shia and sunni has very early took this stand of separations and that makes them as dividers from the deen of God.

              Of course we cannot blame all single persons born into sunnism and shiism and maybe not adhere to those sects.

              I wish all would walk on the right path, fisahbillah.

              Maria

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                Bahman
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                I am not of same opinion... One is follower of Muhammad and the other is follower of Ali ... The only common ground both of them are Al-Quran.... However, the shia have 2 more surahs in their Quran... This is what I learn when I was studying 'Islamic Studies' at college.... I need someone to confirm that... So are they prepared to come back to Al-Quran and make new ties.... I think it is not very probable, considering how arrogant both are through their clerics and imams... But whatever can happen by the Will of God.. SO the best thing to do is to pray and ask for the best out of these circumstances...

                Peace

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                  Bahman
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                  I wish to say that either Shiah or Sunni,they all are muslims..Alhamdulilah

                  Peace and welcome sister )
                  They are not Muslim 319 . Islam is submissionto God Alone ,Quran Alone. They prefer their imamas and shaikhs fetwas based on Mohmammed life style in fair taile soties in Hadith.
                  Please read this article by Dr.Rashad Khalifah
                  Peace

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                    Bahman
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                    SO the best thing to do is to pray and ask for the best out of these circumstances...

                    Peace
                    Even at this era having all these media tools aware of anything happens around world in seconds they lie to puic and decorate the way they like it . We find after years (25) what was the relities if they are telling us truth and not another lie.
                    1400 years ago time superpower had such power to genocide whole family of Ali which the feud was over 2 verses added to end of 128-129 and Ali did not agree and fabricate false history. They changed the history and coverit up with politics that such divison was over leadership of Muslims after Mohammed "Khilafat".
                    Now scripture by help of computer is purifying itself and dispays in hundered cases that those 2 verses was fabrication to bring human at level of God "Most Merciful" and rejecting those solidly.

                    Here are list for those that have no prejeduices in heart toward any other human, their word in their mouth matches with their innermost thought, they have cut totally from their parent belief, they are searching for truth and fact without any media man.
                    These are not teaching. These are informations and is up to truth seekers to examine it
                    http//www.submission.org/tampering.html
                    http//ca.youtube.com/watch?v=6ace4i1osfU
                    http//ca.youtube.com/watch?v=YZKQveJvMaU
                    http//creatorsignature.com/ladertoheaven.htm
                    And here Quran without 2 verses one of the best translation.
                    http//submission.org/quran/

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                      Bahman
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                      But CAN A SOLUTION BE FOUND??/

                      Peace
                      God Alone , Quran Alone.
                      Peace.

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                        SwedenMajidah
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                        Peace and welcome sister )
                        They are not Muslim 319 . Islam is submissionto God Alone ,Quran Alone. They prefer their imamas and shaikhs fetwas based on Mohmammed life style in fair taile soties in Hadith.
                        Please read this article by Dr.Rashad Khalifah
                        Peace

                        Peace,

                        "And the messenger will say, 'My Lord, my people have deserted THIS QURAN.' We thus set up against every prophet enemies who are wicked. YOUR LORD SUFFICES AS A GUIDE AND SUPPORTER (i.e., Quran is enough)." (2530-31)

                        When God says that Muhammads people have deserted This Quran, does that means that they not adhere to just God alone and Quran alone?
                        Or could it also means many other reasons like that they put 2 extra verses in the end of surah 9 ?

                        Maria

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                          Peace,

                          "When God says that Muhammads people have deserted This Quran, does that means that they not adhere to just God alone and Quran alone?
                          Or could it also means many other reasons like that they put 2 extra verses in the end of surah 9 ?

                          Maria

                          I think desert mean, they stay far from quraan , meaning they didnt study nor follow it, on the otherside they follow man made books, written by their imams and shiekhs. And this is excately what is going on and what we do see.

                          Peace

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                            belH
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                            Can a solution be found between Israel and Palestine?

                            Peace between isreal and palestine? ??? who knows??

                            The only solution be by obying god alone sun

                            Peace all
                            Yes God has a solution but they do not want it; Please read and let me know your opinion
                            http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16684.15

                            sun

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