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Muhammad is a White Man?

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    Al_Khidr
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    Ahmad Bilal,

    You said
    What about the tons of African/Nubian Muslim who also subscribe the last prophet Muhammad (God bless him) as a partner when they mention Allah? Have you heard the Shiites? West African are no different. The Sunni/Sufi Muslims in Senegal use the same Arabic phrases the Muslims in Saudi Arabia or Bosnia use. And they have been using them since Islam came to those lands before 1200 AD.The Shiites ascribe Muhammad (God bless him), his whole family and Ali! And black Iraqis are just as Shia as the rest of the Shia Iraqis who you might not consider black. Alot of African Muslims are Sunni/Sufi Muslims but they say all the same things that the white Muslims say. They also promote the same "blasphemous" "pagan" rituals (as you call them) of Mekka. So i really don't understand how you are trying to pin the misguided things in Islam on "white" Muslims and act like the Africa/Nubian Musilms don't do the very same things?

    Godbless,
    Anwar

    Anwar

    You are looking at things in the micro realm and not the macro realm which is a big difference. Can you acknowledge that global white supremacy exist? Can you acknowledge that its only the white race that is trying and succeeding at this point in dominating the entire planet?

    The white race

    -conquered and enslaved every single contenant and also renamed the contenant and countries and the native people of those countries. Examples, Africa is not the original name of our Motherland, it was renamed after one of their Greek people whose name was Africanconus. The white man has renamed the Asians such as China, Philipines our people in India because that is not their original names. When you sit back and look at the power to be able to accomplish this feat of the world is pure SATAN. Name one Black folk who has taking evil to this level.

    -There always have been battles, wars, disputes, etc. in the world but Our ancestors in Africa never enslaved our people nor sold our people we were conquered/enslaved by the white race. Again we have battles and wars with each other just like all races. However, the white man came to our country and totally destroyed it and instituted the worst slavery ever recorded in the entire world. We lost over 100 Million people during the middle passage alone (middle passage refers to them taking us from africa on ships to america) and when slavery was set up in America, Jamaica, West Indies, Brazil, etc. etc. we lost millions more. Tell me one Black race or group that has done something on this level of SATAN.

    -The white man has dropped the atomic bomb and wiped our nations not just once but several times. There has not been not one Black folk or any people of color that has done something as evil, SATAN as this.

    -Why is it that its only the white man who has set out to conquer the entire planet and bring the entire planet under the rule called the new world order. Why hasn't no other race on earth has or is doing this except the white man.

    Anwar no matter how much faults YOU can find in Nubians (Black, Brown, Red, Yellow), it could never compare nor come close to what the collective deeds of the white man has committed all over this planet, I'm sorry you cannot equate us with them in any form or fashion and why is that? Can you Anwar seriously help us to find the answers as to why this is a reality? Now I will end this point with one of our Greatest Nubian Leaders

    Malcolm X Collective Deeds of the White Man
    http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3Csdwfxy4A

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      Christoph Haupt you said

      ?The hotly disputed verse 41 makes sense for me in the big picture speaking of a single cell separating itself into two cells and from this stage developing the different sexes.?

      Actually when you said splitting cells, I think that interpretation would possibly fit better with this verse below compared to 41

      Qur?aan 962
      He created man from an embryo

      This is talking about the natural creation of man.

      ?but to pick on the Bible for explanation I do not think necessary bearing in mind that Quran is a detailed, all explaining book, is it not??

      I don?t think you were listening to Ahmad Bilal critically because he did not diminish the creation of Adam?s mate to a rib in the Bible. He made some critical points that he made to demonstrate what you said did not hold up. First of all Chris you said

      But if ALLAH created mankind from ONE person then why does ALLAH tells in Verse 4913 about mankind created from a male and female. That would be TWO person!

      Then Ahmad Bilal responded as such

      This would not be a contradiction at all. It only alludes to the wife of Adam (i.e. "Eve&quot having a geneology tracing back to Adam as well. For example, the Quran never specifies the creation of Adam's wife, and it never mentions her being born. The first instance of her being mentioned is in 235, and that says

      We said, "O Adam, live with your wife in paradise, and eat therefrom generously, as you please, but do not approach this tree, lest you sin." (235)

      This is the first instance where Adam's wife (often called "Eve&quot is mentioned at all. So, where did she come from? Why does Allah speak about creating Adam, but he doesn't mention creating his wife? The only acceptable explanation is that she also came from Adam. Now, since men can't give birth, then she must've been formed another way from Adam outside of natural childbirth?.

      Chris in addition notice that when Ahmad further elaborated he used the word ?allude? which means a possibility in other words he is throwing ideas on the table and he also said ?Either way, she came from Adam, just like all other humans ("banee Adam&quot did? and the fact Chris that Eve came from Adam sheds a lot of light on your misconception that the interpretation of Adam being ONE contradiction 4913. And in closing Ahmad said ?factual, at least to a degree? which again does not denote absoluteness in terms of explanation/interpretation but what you have to contend with is the fact that Eve came from Adam but how? Nevertheless the alleged contradiction of interpretation got resolved from the Qur?aanic FACT that Adam is ONE.

      Chris you have said

      ?Exhibiting this story could although implie that Islam is meant for the black man only, because Quran is a beacon for human mankind so what about the half-human/subhuman white people??

      Ahmad Bilal nor I have indicated this, thus all races can become Muslims; all races can practice Islaam. In the Holy Qur?aan Allah says that there are some jinns who accepted the truth of the Qur?aan 721-2, evidently they became Muslims. Chris you are reading into things that no one has said nor is implying; Chris is all this as a result of because I started a post to address the fact that the white man in Islaam created or fabricated words of men (hadiyth) stating that the Prophet Muhammad is a white man and demonstrated how those hadiyths are false that contradicts Al Qur?aan? I don?t think I nor Ahmad committed a crime addressing this form of racism in Islaam.

      Ahmad Bilal

      Did you notice that Anwar said this

      ?The Quran borrowed the language of the ancient Arabs?

      I always that the revelation came from Allah, thus "borrowed" denotes man-made?

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        Al-Khidr,

        My first reaction to this is to chuckle at the nonsense. So I'm gonna get that out of the way first. laugh

        Sorry, but it was necessary. So now that that is out of the way. Secondly for probably the 5th time now I'll repeat the verse that I base my conclusions on 711. Let me say that again 711 In case you didn't get it 711. That makes it 8 times now.

        That's really all I have to say cuz I'm getting tired of talking to a parrot like you. You really take the substance away from any discussion. Call me what you want, but I'm just calling it how I see it. Believe what you want to believe. The sad part is that it is more than obvious that you are a Mr. Flame. But I'll just be content with knowing that all your pent up frustration from that toxic mindset you carry will eventually poison and destroy your very soul, no matter what you call yourself 'Muslim', 'Nubian', Alkebulanese, or whatever. In the end I hope you come around, but if you don't it will be no one's fault but your own. The Mr. Flame is a Quranic reference, we'll see if you get it, or understand why I said it that way. At best you'll just make up some excuse and detract away from your own ignorance, or atleast try to. And then throw in the empty Uncle Tom comments (or maybe some new insult you got up your sleeve) which is common fare already. That will be no suprise. Hopefully you'll turn around. In the mean time, i know you must take your own path, I just really hope you get it together.

        May God guide you,
        Anwar

        THE END

        Anwar

        Thank you for your CHRISTIAN sermon.

        And you have said this

        "Sorry, but it was necessary. So now that that is out of the way. Secondly for probably the 5th time now I'll repeat the verse that I base my conclusions on 711. Let me say that again 711 In case you didn't get it 711. That makes it 8 times now."

        Yes brother I got it 8 times from you now but what you seem to fail to realize which Ahmad and I have constantly pointed out to you is that the context of that verse is not talking about the original man from which all of mankind came from so can you show us a verse in the Qur'aan that is talking about the original man from which all of mankind came from which means humanity, mankind, a collective, a plural? Until then I will leave you with the Qur'aan which says the original man is WAAHID (ONE)

        http//i329.photobucket.com/albums/l363/kushitex/hamaa/Ch4v1onebeing.jpg

        Qur'aan 7189
        He created you from ONE (WAAHID) person....

        Notice that I can go to the verses that directly talks about the original man being ONE so where is your verses at that is DIRECTLY talking about the original man being/meaning humanity, mankind?

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          Peace Anwar,

          You are correct in saying that Adam is not mentioned by name in 41. However, here is the literal translation of it

          O people, be conscious of your Sustainer/Lord who created you from NAFSIN WAAHIDATIN, and He created from it it's spouse, and He scattered from them many men and women; and be conscious of Allah of whom you ask of eachother and the wombs. Allah has been observing you. (41)

          Now, the most clear and common meanings of "nafsin" are self, soul, person, or desire. The meaning of "waahid" always refers to one individual object or person. Self, soul, and person all convey the same concept, so this lowers it down to PERSON or DESIRE. It would be illogical for this to be referring to a "desire" because it says that from this "nafsin", Allah also formed it's "spouse". Throughout the scriptures, the word "spouse" is used exclusively for humans. So, this clearly indicates that the verse was speaking about a human person when it mentioned "nafsin waahidatin"/one being. If it wasn't, it wouldn't have spoken of this creature having a "spouse". Also, the verse goes on to relate this creature to the "one whom you ask" and it refers specifically to "alarhama"/the womb, which shows a direct reference to a father and mother. So, why would this verse compare the "nafsin" and it's spouse to our parents if these CREATURES weren't individual human beings?

          Like I said, you can believe as you wish, and I'm not trying to force an opinion on you at all. I'm just pointing out the most logical conclusion. You don't have to consult a thick textbook on Arabic language and grammar to understand what the Quran is explaining. Just look up the other uses of the word "nafsin" throughout the scriptures, and see what the general meaning of it is. You'll notice that the most common uses of it are referring specifically to self, soul, person, or desire, and "self" or "person" are the most sensible translations for it in this verse.

          Peace,

          Ahmad

          Salaam Ahmad Bilal

          PROFOUND ARGUMENT!

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            Please Khidr, read my post carefully and respond to it, not to what Anwar asked you. You are just repeating what I already quoted of you.
            OK, I rephrase If "insaniyya" means humanity would that make '`insan``' singular? Remember this is the logic you used to refute Anwar's claim that bashar is a collective plural because, as you claim, .

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              Thanks Al Khidr for the long repley to my postings stating nothing new but I refute strongly and vehemently your claim and that of Al Khidr and Amin74 that caucasoid people are not descendants of Adam. That is a racial biased and separatist view with no support in the Quran!! Rather the opposite

              1. And from His signs is the creation of the heavens and the Earth, and THE DIFFERENCE OF your languages and YOUR COLOURS. In that are signs for the world.

              2. And FROM THE PEOPLE, and the animals, and the livestock, ARE VARIOUS COLOURS. As such, only the knowledgeable among God?s servants reverence Him. God is Noble, Forgiving.

              Allah tells us that it was IT that is responsible for our different appearances and not Iblis breeding with Adams wife like you want people to believe.
              If it is beyond your comprehension to understand the matter of diversity I would advise to seek knowledge the way Allah tells us

              1. Say ?Roam the Earth and observe how the creation was initiated. Thus God will establish the final creation. God is capable of all things.?

              The answer can be found in exploring creation itself and not in mythological books.

              Peace....Chris

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                Salaam

                1. Do you not see that God sends down water from the sky, thus We produce
                  with it fruits of various colors? And of the mountains are peaks that are
                  white, red, or some other color and intense black.
                2. And from the people, and the animals, and the livestock, are various colors.
                  As such, only the knowledgeable among God?s servants reverence Him. God is Noble, Forgiving.

                This 2 ayat explain beautiful that all colours in nature are a creation of Allah, including the skincolour of people. Our Creator is even pointing out some colours in particular white, red, or some other color and intense black.
                white people and black people and all other vrious skincolours are Creations from Allah, descendants of the first human being Adam

                Ahmad Bilal, Al Khidr I CHALLENGE YOU to produce a verse from the Quran that supports your claim of white people not being the offspring from ADAM!
                According to your claims white people are the Al-Jinn. Produce a verse from the Quran stating that a Jinn has a white skin!

                Peace.....Chris

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                  Peace Anwar,

                  What about the tons of African/Nubian Muslim who also subscribe the last prophet Muhammad (God bless him) as a partner when they mention Allah? Have you heard the Shiites? West African are no different. The Sunni/Sufi Muslims in Senegal use the same Arabic phrases the Muslims in Saudi Arabia or Bosnia use. And they have been using them since Islam came to those lands before 1200 AD.The Shiites ascribe Muhammad (God bless him), his whole family and Ali! And black Iraqis are just as Shia as the rest of the Shia Iraqis who you might not consider black. Alot of African Muslims are Sunni/Sufi Muslims but they say all the same things that the white Muslims say. They also promote the same "blasphemous" "pagan" rituals (as you call them) of Mekka. So i really don't understand how you are trying to pin the misguided things in Islam on "white" Muslims and act like the Africa/Nubian Musilms don't do the very same things?

                  You're missing the point, brother. This is not a compare-and-contrast view of Black Muslims versus White Muslims. That's not what I was talking about at all. What I was saying is, regardless of the pagan rituals observed and the falsified ideology used, most white people blatantly reject monotheism. And if you compare the general statistics, more black people accept Islam than white people, who generally turn to pagan Christianity. It's not about what Shiites believe, and it's not about using Arabic phrases. You should re-read what I said on the issue...

                  Peace,

                  Ahmad

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                    Peace Chris,

                    first Iblis was INhuman according to the Quran and not SUBhuman like you stated.

                    Please show me where I said Iblis was "subhuman". I never made this statement at all, and you're trying to attribute words to me to prove your point, even though it's incorrect.

                    Second it is YOUR STORY about Iblis and "Eve" what implies that in your worldview white peopple are inferior. And others here can see the same.

                    Again, you are attributing lies to me to support your false theories. It's not "MY STORY" that Iblis reproduced with Adam's wife (i.e. "Eve&quot. It actually comes from a Jewish concept, and aspects of it are found in the Torah and in their oral history... And how many times to I have to repeat that I don't believe white people are inferior? ) I never said white people are inferior to anyone, and I never promoted black/Nubian superiority. I simply said they didn't come from the same ancestor.

                    Third I still refute strongly YOU STORY and until now you have not given ANY evidence from the Quran supporting that YOUR STORY about Iblis breeding with Eve and creating a different than black offspring is true.
                    Until now you have not refuted my evidence from the Quran that Allah created the various colours of the people.

                    Posted on Yesterday at 111127 AMPosted by Christoph Haupt

                    But I refute strongly and vehemently your claim and that of Al Khidr and Amin74 that caucasoid people are not descendants of Adam. That is a racial biased and separatist view with no support in the Quran!! Rather the opposite

                    1. And from His signs is the creation of the heavens and the Earth, and the difference of your languages and your colors. In that are signs for the world.

                    2. And from the people, and the animals, and the livestock, are various colors. As such, only the knowledgeable among Gods servants reverence Him. God is Noble, Forgiving.

                    Allah tells us that it was IT that is responsible for our different appearances and not Iblis breeding with Adams wife like you want people to believe.
                    If it is beyond your comprehension to understand the matter of diversity I would advise to seek knowledge the way Allah tells us

                    1. Say Roam the Earth and observe how the creation was initiated. Thus God will establish the final creation. God is capable of all things.

                    The answer can be found in exploring creation itself and not in mythological books.


                    Until know you did not answer to this post of mine so for you convience to read i put it again in here.

                    What was the point of quoting your opinionated comment? It says that the languages and colors of the people are among the signs from Allah. Does this illustrate a separation between blacks and whites? ABSOLUTELY. White people have considered themselves free from color and differentiation, which is why they call black people "colored". This shows the different colors of human skin tones in similar groups, not the difference between whites and blacks. If you're correct, then why doesn't the Qur'an mention different hair textures, eye colors, or featural dominance? Here's a basic answer the people obviously had similar features which wouldn't serve as clear identifiers for separation. They're only general difference was their skin tone and colors.

                    I also suggest you examine creation, and see what the differences are between black people and white people, and maybe you'll understand the truth. Also, since when has the Torah been regarded as a "mythological book"? According to the Qur'an, the Torah is a revelation from Allah.

                    Peace,

                    Ahmad

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                      Peace Chris,

                      1. Do you not see that God sends down water from the sky, thus We produce
                        with it fruits of various colors? And of the mountains are peaks that are
                        white, red, or some other color and intense black.
                      2. And from the people, and the animals, and the livestock, are various colors.
                        As such, only the knowledgeable among God?s servants reverence Him. God is Noble, Forgiving.

                      This 2 ayat explain beautiful that all colours in nature are a creation of Allah, including the skincolour of people. Our Creator is even pointing out some colours in particular white, red, or some other color and intense black.
                      white people and black people and all other vrious skincolours are Creations from Allah, descendants of the first human being Adam

                      I already showed you how black people and white people having the same general ancestor is NOT physically possible. So, I won't even go back into detail on that matter... And regarding all the colors being creations of Allah, I suggest you read through the scriptures (i.e. the "mythological books" you mentioned). EVERYTHING is a creation from Allah, and this includes all people and jinns. Even Iblis himself was a creation of Allah. So, your showing that white people and black people are all creations of God doesn't mean anything at all; you're just stating the plainly obvious that Allah created EVERYTHING in existence, seen and unseen. This is already an established fact.

                      Ahmad Bilal, Al Khidr I CHALLENGE YOU to produce a verse from the Quran that supports your claim of white people not being the offspring from ADAM!
                      According to your claims white people are the Al-Jinn. Produce a verse from the Quran stating that a Jinn has a white skin!

                      Brother Al Khidr and I have already showed you this several times. We don't have to post a verse that says "jinns are white", because that's not necessary at all. This is a clearly derived conclusion by the Qur'anic confirmation of Adam being BLACK. That means if it's not black, it didn't come from Adam, plain and simple. Adam was formed from black mud, and Iblis wasn't. So, if Adam's descendants had black skin like their forefather, the reverse would be that Iblis' descendants did NOT have black skin, which is like their forefather... So, if you disagree, please show your proofs of jinns having wings and horns, flying around with pitchforks, like what is commonly referred to as a "devil". If you don't have any evidence of your claims, then it's most reasonable to at least look into the facts which can be backed up with evidence.

                      Peace,

                      Ahmad

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                        Salaam Ahmad

                        Your stance regarding white people as satanic offspring is the focalpoint of your being and to take any other stance would shatter your self.
                        From this further discussion and argumentation is fruitless.
                        You don't view white people as inferior but seeing them NOT descandent of Adam you don't view them equal either.

                        Chapter 109

                        In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.

                        1. Say "O rejecters," (of equality)
                        2. "I do not serve what you serve,"
                        3. "Nor do you serve what I serve,"
                        4. "Nor will I serve what you serve,"
                        5. "Nor will you serve what I serve,"
                        6. "To you is your system, and to me is mine."

                        Peace

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                          Peace Chris,

                          Your stance regarding white people as satanic offspring is the focalpoint of your being and to take any other stance would shatter your self.
                          From this further discussion and argumentation is fruitless.
                          You don't view white people as inferior but seeing them NOT descandent of Adam you don't view them equal either.

                          This is ridiculous. Like I've said numerous times, I BELIEVE IN RACIAL EQUALITY FOR ALL PEOPLE. The real question is Does being considered a descendant of Iblis make you feel inferior to descendants of Adam? You're disregarding the fact that Allah judges us by our righteousness and our belief, not by our ancestry. So, if being called a descendant of Iblis makes you feel inferior, then you should examine the Qur'an more carefully, and there you'll see how we are judged by the Almighty.

                          Peace,

                          Ahmad

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                            Thanks Al Khidr for the long repley to my postings stating nothing new but I refute strongly and vehemently your claim and that of Al Khidr and Amin74 that caucasoid people are not descendants of Adam. That is a racial biased and separatist view with no support in the Quran!! Rather the opposite

                            1. And from His signs is the creation of the heavens and the Earth, and THE DIFFERENCE OF your languages and YOUR COLOURS. In that are signs for the world.

                            2. And FROM THE PEOPLE, and the animals, and the livestock, ARE VARIOUS COLOURS. As such, only the knowledgeable among God?s servants reverence Him. God is Noble, Forgiving.

                            Allah tells us that it was IT that is responsible for our different appearances and not Iblis breeding with Adams wife like you want people to believe.
                            If it is beyond your comprehension to understand the matter of diversity I would advise to seek knowledge the way Allah tells us

                            1. Say ?Roam the Earth and observe how the creation was initiated. Thus God will establish the final creation. God is capable of all things.?

                            The answer can be found in exploring creation itself and not in mythological books.

                            Peace....Chris

                            Chris

                            You said I made a claim huh..... You are jumping to fast with the gun. I challenge YOU to quote me to back up your statement.

                            But I will leave you with this

                            http//ipconcealer.com/goto/nph-proxy.cgi/010110A/uggc/=2fserr-zvaqf.bet/sbehz/vaqrk.cuc=3fgbcvp=3d9597416.zft188095#msg188095

                            You can also download the JINN

                            http//kushite.webs.com/jinn.htm

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                              Salaam aleikum.

                              I am sorry Bilal that I forgot the link,been a little distracted.Didnt check the post.

                              http//exploring-africa.blogspot.com/2008/01/skin-pigmentation-gene-alleles-part-2.html

                              Mutation is the word Bilal.Thats how they know today that black men were the first creation,because the mutation is numerous.The skin colour is a mutation,and it is likely to have had happen not so long ago.From 6000 to 12000 years ago.The european have been darker longer than they have been white.

                              I find it strange how you people can from the Koran,draw the thougt that white men is not from Allah.

                              If you think that your thoughts is more nobel or different than the white racism,you are wrong Bilal.

                              To unite,and to reforme the character of men,is the way Allah gives us.To be the beings,he knew we could be.

                              Al Kidr,there is a good articel,here on free minds of jinn,easy to understand and good.

                              http//www.free-minds.org/jinn Search "who are the jinn" by Layth

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                                Peace Marleya,

                                I am sorry Bilal that I forgot the link,been a little distracted.Didnt check the post.

                                http//exploring-africa.blogspot.com/2008/01/skin-pigmentation-gene-alleles-part-2.html

                                Mutation is the word Bilal.Thats how they know today that black men were the first creation,because the mutation is numerous.The skin colour is a mutation,and it is likely to have had happen not so long ago.From 6000 to 12000 years ago.The european have been darker longer than they have been white.

                                This doesn't have anything to do with Europeans. This is about the ancestry of black people and white people. What you are speaking is ridiculous nonsense. I already told you that racial differences between white people and black people goes FAR BEYOND skin pigmentation. Plus, regarding physical and genetic mutation, this wouldn't have happened in the case of Adam and his wife because THEY WERE THE FIRST BEINGS. In other words, they were created without genetic flaws and recessive traits; all of their features were dominant, which means they were passed on to their offspring.

                                I find it strange how you people can from the Koran,draw the thougt that white men is not from Allah.

                                I find that strange too... You need to stop your denial of the truth, and escape from the mental prison where you've enslaved yourself with your false reasoning. What you have stated is YOUR OWN conclusion. Show me ANYWHERE I ever mentioned that white people are not from Allah, ANYWHERE. Stop your blasphemies. Everything is from Allah; He is the creator of all things seen and unseen. If white people are descendants of Iblis, guess what! Iblis is from Allah too, just like Adam. That doesn't change who their (and your) ancestors are...

                                By the way, what's with the "you people" comment? wow laugh

                                If you think that your thoughts is more nobel or different than the white racism,you are wrong Bilal.

                                How am I promoting racism by speaking the truth? The fact of the matter is this You are speaking from emotion rather than common sense (or as Anwar says, "good sense&quot, and this is ridiculous. Is it wrong for me to say that black people were first given the scriptures as the children of Adam? Even modern-day scientists agree that the so-called Afro-Asiatic languages, which includes Semitic languages (i.e. Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic, etc.), were originally spoken around Ethiopia, and the original Hebrews were dark-skinned people, just like the early Arabs. What you're speaking are your own emotion-based opinions, and when weighed against facts, your opinions don't mean anything.

                                Peace,

                                Ahmad

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                                  Salaam aleikum

                                  Which truth Bilal?

                                  You have said that it is impossible for black people to produce white people,I have proved that the europeans have not always been white,they started out black!

                                  The truth is that the difference only goes skindeep,and the variation beetween africans themselves,are bigger than the differences beetween africans and europeans,or asians,or aboriginies.

                                  For centuries tha white people have tried to search for the race gene,that would favourable the white man,but ended up with the knowledge that black people were their ancestors,that life was created in Africa.

                                  What is more right than emotion?When somethings sounds wrong,feels wrong,than I trust my emotion.

                                  Peace Bilal,may Allah guide us all.

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                                    Peace,

                                    Black people and White people and everyone in between are the descendants of the same person.

                                    Its scientifically proven and its clearly mentioned in the Qur'an (if the science wasen't enough for you).

                                    To say otherwise is blasphemous on both levels.

                                    Btw, Progod are you a professor by chance? You could do a lot of good in an anthropology, middle east studies, or Islamic studies department, not to mention an Arabic department with your knowledge.

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                                      Peace Marleya,

                                      You have said that it is impossible for black people to produce white people!

                                      Where did I say it's impossible for black people to produce white people? o Please quote me. I didn't say that at all, and once again, you're putting words into my mouth for fit your own false belief.

                                      The truth is that the difference only goes skindeep,and the variation beetween africans themselves,are bigger than the differences beetween africans and europeans,or asians,or aboriginies.

                                      This is completely ridiculous. Please show proof of your claim. This has already been discussed, and resources have been used. So, if you're going to make a statement like that, please cite some examples or some evidence.

                                      For centuries tha white people have tried to search for the race gene,that would favourable the white man,but ended up with the knowledge that black people were their ancestors,that life was created in Africa.

                                      Then, why dp white people still deny this fact? Most of them still claim to be descendants of the ancient Arabs, not Africans/Nubians. In fact, most of them attest to the theory that ancient white civilization developed somewhere in Iraq, and they refuse to acknowledge ancient Nubian civilization as being part of their ancestry.

                                      What is more right than emotion?When somethings sounds wrong,feels wrong,than I trust my emotion.

                                      This is outrageous. Just because you "feel" something is right doesn't make it correct. Plenty of people "feel" good about making fast money, but does this make it okay to rob a bank? Most Christians "feel" that Jesus is so-called God-Incarnate, but does this make it true? ) Maybe you need to STOP trusting your emotion so much, and stick to facts.

                                      Peace,

                                      Ahmad

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                                        If any of you guys are wondering whether the description of Mohamed in the hadith is reliable, check out the sunni inspired description of Ali; Fat, Black and Bald! Any political motivations?

                                        Also remember that a 'White' Arab usually is nowhere near as 'White' as a European so even though the hadith says he was a 'White Man' doesn't make him a Northern European.

                                        Just something to take into account guys.

                                        CousCous

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                                          Ahmad_Bilal
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                                          Peace Sarat,

                                          Black people and White people and everyone in between are the descendants of the same person.

                                          Its scientifically proven and its clearly mentioned in the Qur'an (if the science wasen't enough for you).

                                          To say otherwise is blasphemous on both levels.

                                          Okay... ) Can you please show some of this scientific evidence and proof from the Qur'an to back up your claim?

                                          Peace,

                                          Ahmad

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