Hajj are months well known!!
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2197 The Pilgrimage months are made known. So whosoever decides to perform the Pilgrimage therein, then there shall be no sexual approach, nor vileness, nor baseless argument in the Pilgrimage. And any good that you do, God is aware of it; and bring provisions for yourselves, though the best provision is righteousness; and be aware of Me O people of understanding.
"Three times a year you are to celebrate a hag to me." (Exodus 2314)
"Three times a year all your males shall appear before the Lord God. (Exodus 2317)
"Hag" is being translated as "feast", "festival" or "pilgrimage festival".
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"Three times a year you are to celebrate a hag to me." (Exodus 2314)
"Three times a year all your males shall appear before the Lord God. (Exodus 2317)
"Hag" is being translated as "feast", "festival" or "pilgrimage festival".
So should we take the pilgrimage details from the Torah?
I mean there can be only one house and one hajj for all believers.
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It's from the OT - not the Torah. Check Exodus - has a lot about "hag".
Actually, if that's from the book of "Exodus" (i.e. Shemot), then it IS from the Torah. The Torah consists of the Hebrew Bible's first 5 (or in some cases 7) books, listed in the current translations from Genesis to Deuteronomy...
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chagag
khaw-gag'
A primitive root (compare H2283, H232; properly to move in a circle, that is, (specifically) to march in a sacred procession, to observe a festival; by implication to be giddy - celebrate, dance, (keep, hold) a (solemn) feast (holiday), reel to and fro.Doesn't help much.
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chagag
khaw-gag'
A primitive root (compare H2283, H232; properly to move in a circle, that is, (specifically) to march in a sacred procession, to observe a festival; by implication to be giddy - celebrate, dance, (keep, hold) a (solemn) feast (holiday), reel to and fro.Doesn't help much.
Moving in a circle is particularly interesting. That what the Muslims do. D
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The root literally means revolve. Doesn't mean around a stationary object, though. Jews just march, wave palm leaves, where ever they are at to hold a religious celebration.
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Jewish translations of the Bible sometimes render it as sacrifice. Dunno why.
Exodus 51 And afterwards, Moses and Aaron came and said to Pharaoh, "So said the Lord God of Israel, 'Send out My people, and let them sacrifice to Me in the desert.' "
But then
1214
And this day shall be for you as a memorial, and you shall celebrate it as a festival for the Lord; throughout your generations, you shall celebrate it as an everlasting statute.
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Actually, if that's from the book of "Exodus" (i.e. Shemot), then it IS from the Torah. The Torah consists of the Hebrew Bible's first 5 (or in some cases 7) books, listed in the current translations from Genesis to Deuteronomy...
OK... but in the "2 salaat theory" thread they told me I was wrong in saying that they were from the Torah... highly confusing.
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OK... but in the "2 salaat theory" thread they told me I was wrong in saying that they were from the Torah... highly confusing.
Torah means Law. It is different from Mitzva. So Torah is certain portions in the Pentateuch.
Rambam said that the Torah contains 613 Mitzvot which is a bit inaccurate. Rambam and Rashi were always misreading the text to push their theology to the people.
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I never noticed how many times Hajj occurs in the Bible.
Zec 1416
And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
I'm surprised the Sufis never got a hold of this
Ps 10727
They twirl, and stagger like a drunken man, and are at their wits' end.
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And Salat turns out to be the burnt offerings and the Qibla is the altar for the offerings. The solution of the puzzle.
"I am God, there is no god but Me, so serve Me and hold the contact-method for My remembrance."
Exd 1025 And Moses said, Thou must give us also sacrifices and burnt offerings, that we may sacrifice unto the LORD our God.
"My Lord, I have resided part of my progeny in an uncultivated valley near your Restricted Sanctuary. My Lord, so that they may hold the contact-method. So let the hearts of the people incline towards them and give provisions to them of the fruits that they may give thanks."
Those whom if We allow them authority in the land, they hold the contact-method, and they contribute towards betterment, and deter from evil. And to God is the conclusion of all matters.
Peace.
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I never noticed how many times Hajj occurs in the Bible.
Zec 1416
And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
I'm surprised the Sufis never got a hold of this
Ps 10727
They twirl, and stagger like a drunken man, and are at their wits' end.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597976.30
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OK... but in the "2 salaat theory" thread they told me I was wrong in saying that they were from the Torah... highly confusing.
I don't know who told you that you were wrong in saying that Exodus is part of the Torah, but they obviously don't know what they're talking about... The (written) Torah, by today's canonization, consists of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. Everything else in the Tanakh falls into the catagories of the Prophets or the Writings...
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Torah means Law. It is different from Mitzva. So Torah is certain portions in the Pentateuch.
Rambam said that the Torah contains 613 Mitzvot which is a bit inaccurate. Rambam and Rashi were always misreading the text to push their theology to the people.
How is this inaccurate? How many mitzvot does the Torah contain, according to you??
I disagree with your statement that Rambam and Rashi were "ALWAYS" misreading the text. That's just not true at all. Many of their teachings are amazingly similar to the doctrines of Qur'aanic Islaam today, including concepts that others may have disagreed on... For example, Rambam describes God as being omniscient and omnipresent, having no physical body, something the Qur'aan agrees on. And this was during a period when many Jews disagreed with this idea, believing God to be a giant invisible ruler high in the sky. He also mentioned many factors about serving God ALONE, even while many Jews condoned praying "through" objects or rabbis. And he also preached about the future day of judgement and the resurrection, ideas that many Jewish people during that time disagreed with or didn't understand... So, if he was trying to 'push his theology' on the people, what's wrong with that if his theology was correct? He wasn't misreading anything, he was just putting things in a broader perspective...
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How is this inaccurate? How many mitzvot does the Torah contain, according to you??
I disagree with your statement that Rambam and Rashi were "ALWAYS" misreading the text. That's just not true at all. Many of their teachings are amazingly similar to the doctrines of Qur'aanic Islaam today, including concepts that others may have disagreed on... For example, Rambam describes God as being omniscient and omnipresent, having no physical body, something the Qur'aan agrees on. And this was during a period when many Jews disagreed with this idea, believing God to be a giant invisible ruler high in the sky. He also mentioned many factors about serving God ALONE, even while many Jews condoned praying "through" objects or rabbis. And he also preached about the future day of judgement and the resurrection, ideas that many Jewish people during that time disagreed with or didn't understand... So, if he was trying to 'push his theology' on the people, what's wrong with that if his theology was correct? He wasn't misreading anything, he was just putting things in a broader perspective...
Go read the Torah text without any preconceived notions and see whether you will still agree with Rambam or not.
An example of Rabbinical misreading of the texts.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=idvNbVArpIc&feature=channel_page
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6FP4by156s&feature=channel_page -
Go read the Torah text without any preconceived notions and see whether you will still agree with Rambam or not.
An example of Rabbinical misreading of the texts.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=idvNbVArpIc&feature=channel_page
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6FP4by156s&feature=channel_pageYou still haven't shown when or how Rambam and Rashi ALWAYS misread the text of the Torah. Can you give some examples? And as I said, many of their ideologies completely coincide with Islaam, definately moreso than Karitical Judaism and other non-Rabbinical groups...
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You still haven't shown when or how Rambam and Rashi ALWAYS misread the text of the Torah. Can you give some examples? And as I said, many of their ideologies completely coincide with Islaam, definately moreso than Karitical Judaism and other non-Rabbinical groups...
The Torah is radically different from the Quran. They don't confirm each other. Their basic teachings are contradictory. The Torah is based on the burnt offerings and the temple and the Quran is based on Salat and Zakat. Eschatology is not even similar.
If you think the Quran confirms the Torah, why do the Jews reject the Quran completely. They don't accept it for example and follow the Torah.
Now, Rambam and Rashi were affected by Muslim thought at the time, so to cope, they went on a 'metaphorical' frenzy, they flipped the Torah upside down to try to match the superior ideology -Islaam- which was taking all men by storm because of its very purposeful orientation.
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The Torah is radically different from the Quran. They don't confirm each other. Their basic teachings are contradictory. The Torah is based on the burnt offerings and the temple and the Quran is based on Salat and Zakat. Eschatology is not even similar.
If you think the Quran confirms the Torah, why do the Jews reject the Quran completely. They don't accept it for example and follow the Torah.
Are you serious?!?! o
And if you are in doubt as to what We reveal to you, then question those who read the scripture that was before you (i.e. Torah). (1094)
But why do they ask you to judge among them, when they have the Torah containing Allah's law? Then they turn back after this; these are not believers. (543)
The people of the Evangel shall rule in accordance with Allah's revelations therein. Those who do not rule in accordance with Allah's revelations are the wicked. (547)
The Qur'aan claims to confirm the Torah. All the ideas mentioned within the two books are not the same, but they're not supposed to be. The scripture says this
We have sent down the Book to you in truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a standard of comparison for it; therefore judge between them by what God has sent down, and do not follow their wishes if they differ from the truth that came to you; for each of you We have ordained a law and a way of doing things. If God wished, He would have made you a single community, but He tests you according to what He has given you, so compete with each other in doing good. Your return is to God, and then He will let you know about that in which you differed. (54
This passage says that each group (i.e. Jews, Muslims, Nazarenes, etc.) was given different laws and rites of their respective systems. Then, it says that Allah tests us according to what He sent down to each community. In other words, Jews are supposed to uphold their own scriptures, Nazarenes are supposed to uphold their own scriptures, and Muslims are supposed to uphold their own scriptures. None of these scriptures are identical to the last, and this is because Allah is testing us, to note whether we'll uphold the guidance that He sent down. Jews aren't expected to adhere to the Qur'aan, since doing so would be a violation of their teachings. Likewise, Muslims aren't required to uphold the whole of the Torah, since doing so would be a violation of our teachings. That's why the passage explicitly says not to follow their wishes "if they differ from the truth that came to you". It doesn't say their teachings are WRONG, they are just different from ours... But to say the two are 'NOT EVEN SIMILAR' is a complete lie and it's ridiculous; it shows that you obviously haven't objectively studied the Torah or the Qur'aan...
Now, Rambam and Rashi were affected by Muslim thought at the time, so to cope, they went on a 'metaphorical' frenzy, they flipped the Torah upside down to try to match the superior ideology -Islaam- which was taking all men by storm because of its very purposeful orientation.
Ummm... Okay...