Nearly a Quranist - need to take the leap!
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Hi Tulip,
welcome
There are indeed "different" types. Just read the forums for a couple of weeks and you will see a lot of debates. But what most of us share in common is we are trying to follow the Quran.
3918 The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.
I don't see how saying Mohammad is God's messenger is shirk. But the Quran does have the following
631 When the hypocrites come to you they say ?We bear witness that you are the messenger of God.? And God knows that you are His messenger, and God bears witness that the hypocrites are liars.
In other words, it doesn't matter what you say if you don't believe what you are saying.
Anyway welcome
Al
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Peace Tulip welcome
I hope you will enjoy being here, and participating in discussions (sharing your thoughts). As i have said to other members on this site; In the beginning many things will seem alien to you and you will have unansweard questions, but ask god to show you the way whenever you get stuck. God is the best guide. And be patient, cause most of your answears will be given by time. Patience is the key that unlocks unlimited doors.
3918 The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.
Check out these sites below; Islam based Quran alone
www.rationalreality.com -------) Especially check out the article "The liberation of women and koran"
www.19.org
www.ourbeacon.comAn article about history of hadiths that might interest you
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16838.msg169055#msg169055
by the way, we are not Quranists. The word Quranist does not exist in the Quran and is completely man-made title/concept. People on this forum are muslims and mumins
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Many thanks to you all for taking the time to read and reply to my post. I can see what you mean about the term Quranist - i'm sorry if I caused offence. I wish i could delete it from the title of my post now! Please bear with me it's a steep learning curve! It is re-assuring to read there are different types and I do not have to conform. Thanks for your advice and for making me feel welcome - I look forward to taking part in the discussions!
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Peace,
Respectfully.welcome welcome to the forum, sister and may God The Most Merciful gie you more strength.
You're on the right track and once you start your own research on things, you will learn more, God willing.
Don't listen to any human being, listen to God what He tells you in The Quran.
Afterall, God knows best.Peace.
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Many thanks to you all for taking the time to read and reply to my post. I can see what you mean about the term Quranist - i'm sorry if I caused offence. I wish i could delete it from the title of my post now! Please bear with me it's a steep learning curve! It is re-assuring to read there are different types and I do not have to conform. Thanks for your advice and for making me feel welcome - I look forward to taking part in the discussions!
Peace Tulip
No need to apologize Tulip ) Just like you in the beginning i thought that we should call ourselves Quranists. I actually used this term for weeks before i understood that it has nothing to do with Islam and will divide muslim into another sect. I salute you for being open-minded and accepting the truth (chaning your opinion about the word Quranist). It takes a lot of courage and open-mindedness to admit ones mistakes. I can see you already have started to ask Questions about Islam and Quran (In threads). Mashallah. I am a big fan of asking questions myself. It was asking Questions that led me to the through. While other people were guessing i remember i always used to ask Questions. Below is inspiring quotes that i would like to share with you. Enjoy
He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask remains a fool forever -Chinese proverb
Learning is acquired by the student; the teacher can only lead to the door - Chinese proverb
Do not fear going forward slowly; fear only to stand still -Chinese Proverb
Victory is only preserved for those who are willing to pay the price - Sun tzu
I look forward to hear more from you in this forum. Hope you will share your knowledge with us. Everyone of us can learn something from eachother. And learning is a never ending journey. By the way. Can you tell us more about yourself. How old are you? which country are you from? And which country do you live in?
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Peace,
Welcome to the board... I hope you will enjoy and enrich yourself here... However, you will need some time to sieve your way through all these threads and topics but believe be, IT WILL NOT BE A WASTE OF TIME... You will benefit greatly...
My one and only advice.. STUDY THE QURAN... Do not follow the herd... You will get all kinds of views here, and the final decision will always be your own...
3103 And hold fast, all together, unto the bond with God, and do not draw apart from one another. And remember the blessings which God has bestowed upon you
All the best...
May the All Mighty God guide us all...
Salaam
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Peace and welcome to the forum group
Alhamdulliah, I've been down your path before, and I guess I'll say the same advice everyone has Read the Qu'ran. Just because some Muslims believe in the 19 code doesn't mean its the truth. ) Just trust yourself and your belief in Allah and Insha'Allah, you will stay on the straight path.Peace peace
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For example, I don't want to follow Dr Rashads school of thought but I don't know whether you can be Quranist and ignore his theory on the code?
Me too and many of us think that deleting two verses from Quran is a Great Sin.
I've also read somewhere that stating the shahada with Mohammad's name pbuh could be construed as making partners with God?
Me Too and many of us think as you. (brother aalmakto hit it right in his above post)
Understanding Shrik is what you will learn here in this Forum. Shirk in general is to associate Lies with God religion. and that is why submitter stick to the Quran when we speak about God.And by the Way, I'm not a Quranist but I'm MOSLEM--Submitter. I love the name that Prophet Abraham gave to me and Allah approved it. In other words, many of us are like you.
oops, Welcome to the Forum.
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peace,
And by the Way, I'm not a Quranist but I'm MOSLEM--Submitter. I love the name that Prophet Abraham gave to me and Allah approved it. In other words, many of us are like you.
Quranic evidence for Abraham naming anything?
I assume you are referring to 2278, however the evidence clearly suggests "He" refers to God
huwa sammakumu almuslimeena min qablu wafee hatha
He named you al muslimeen from before and in this -
I definately understand this verse as, our forefather Abraham, named us muslims. And this he did by thinking about God. Is it the moon, who controls all? Is it the sun? No, it is he who controls all, I worship, and I surrender my will into Islam, the religion which he then created. That doesn't mean that Islam didn't exist before, just that he made it known, and gave it a name.
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peace,
Quranic evidence for Abraham naming anything?
I assume you are referring to 2278, however the evidence clearly suggests "He" refers to God
huwa sammakumu almuslimeena min qablu wafee hatha
He named you al muslimeen from before and in thisPeace Wakas
When reading 2278, I can understand, as an arabic speaker, that the arabic wods "huwa sammakumu almuslimeena min qablu wafee hatha" refers to Abraham. And "Wa Fee Haza" (and In this) is related to the next sentence
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"Wa Fee Haza lee Yakoon Al-Rasool Shahidon Aliakom" (and in this the Messanger will be a witness against You)
Now, when I read 2-128, I can tell when Abraham named us Moslems(

"Our Lord! Make of us Muslims bowing to Thy and of our progeny a people Muslim bowing to Thy and show us our places for the celebration of rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning Most-Merciful. (2-12If you think I missed on that one, please let me know.
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Peace
How did Noah do so ?
Joe
Peace Brother
Thank you for pointing this verse; I would say that in 10-72 Noha was talking about himself, but in 2-128, Abraham was talking about us. As the Torah and the Quran tell us, Abraham was so worried about his future generations; and that is why he asked God to make them Moslmeen (submitters). and therefore, in 22-78, God is referring to Abraham request. -
I'm sorry I don't see how you can see a problem here. "and in this" ? You do not reckognize or identify with Abraham, in what he did? I certainly do..
Mr Deen, it is not a matter of recognising or identifying with what Abraham did. We are discussing if Abraham named us 'al muslimeen', accoding to The Quran, or not. If you wish to create some sort of loose link between this point and what you said, that is up to you. I prefer an evidence based discussion.
peace BelH,
When reading 2278, I can understand, as an arabic speaker, that the arabic wods "huwa sammakumu almuslimeena min qablu wafee hatha" refers to Abraham.
Are you implying that it is clear in the Arabic that it refers to Abraham? If so, please cite the grammar/linguistic evidence, if you speak the truth. Perhaps you can be honest, as an arabic speaker, and admit it could be either. And since it can be either, we can then weigh up the evidence to see what fits best.
Let me try, as a non-Arabic speaker, apply some logic and see what happens.... does the word "huwa" ever refer to anyone other than God in verse 2278? How many times does "huwa" refer to Abraham in the entire Quran?
And "Wa Fee Haza" (and In this) is related to the next sentence
Again, are you saying it is clear in the Arabic that it definitely relates to the next sentence? If so, please cite the grammar/linguistic evidence, if you speak the truth. Perhaps you can be honest, as an arabic speaker, and admit it could be either. And since it can be either, we can then weigh up the evidence to see what fits best.
Let me try, as a non-Arabic speaker, apply some logic and see what happens.... how can the messenger be a witness against us in this matter as your translation implies? As we can all see, when the Arabic Quran narrates the story of Noah, in Arabic, it uses the words 'al muslimeen'. You say Noah was only talking about himself, and whilst technically correct, logic tells us Noah is clearly implying I am of 'al muslimeen' and they (whoever he was addressing) are not, thus the term of reference 'al muslimeen' could have been applied to others, if they simply fulfilled the criteria.
The problem with your translation of 2128 is that it capitalises the word "muslim" into "Muslim" and implies this has some sort of basis. It doesn't. Furthermore, there is no naming in this verse.
So tell me, BelH, as an arabic speaker, how did I, a non-arabic speaker, do?
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There is no loose link Wakas. I understand Abraham. I understand that it was he who named us muslims. I also understand several other people in the Quran, for instance Joseph, when he is tried seduced, and his shirt rips. I'm sure you all know it. (This story is interesting, because rarely a man never admits to being seduced by a woman, no, in infidel societies it is rather celebrated. So yes, here we can see support from God, for believing men, who do not against themselves.)
