The Shahada
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Science proves that the sun starts to decline once it reaches its highest point so the translation is accurate. The sun starts to decline once it reaches its highest point. Liduluuki Ash-Shamsi is a period of time to observe salaat and this period is no doubt the noon period. The understanding of this very basic and elementary phrase Liduluuki Ash-Shamsi makes it clear as daylight.
Peace all
Al Khider; you have answered to one point I raised and ignored the others. But feel free to answer in the appropriate thread. For now, you are claiming that we shall establish prayer from Noon till Dawn; in other words, Believers should abandon their work in order to fulfill this commandment; if this is the truth, why God said the followingIn the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
731 O you who are covered with your garments.
732 Stand the night except for a little.
733 Half of it, or a little less than that.
734 Or a little more, and arrange the Qur?an in its arrangement.
735 We will place upon you a saying which is heavy.
736 The time of the night is more effective and better for study.
737 For you have many duties during the day.Thus, for the verses, in Chapter 73 and 17-78 and the other well-established verse, to agree with each others, we have to translate "Dlook Elshams" as Sun Set and not Noon.
Now answer to the other points I raised in my Prayers analysis
Moreover, please note the following verse
Qur?aan 2458
O you who believe, permission must be requested by your servants and the children who have not attained puberty. This is to be done in three instances-before the Dawn Prayer, at noon when you change your clothes to rest, and after the Night Prayer. These are three private times for you. At other times, it is not wrong for you or them to mingle with one another. Allah thus clarifies the revelations for you. Allah is Omniscient, Most Wise.Now, please note the red colored words and the blue ones. If there is a prayer during noon, why God did not mention (in blue word section) as He did when speaking about the Dawn and night (red colored section)?
May God lead us to the truth.
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belH
Like i said I'm done with the subject on Salaat, now back to the original subject of this post which is SHAHAADA. It looks like you are trying to evade this subject hiding behind your false "3 Salaat Theory" which got ripped up a long time ago.
Now belH we have went this far on this post and you still have not produced just ONE verse in the Qur'aan that says your shirk/Sunni Shahaada
I bear witness that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah
WHY HAVEN'T YOU PRODUCED JUST ONE VERSE YET, THATS THE REAL QUESTION?
This is where this guy gets his Shahaada from
http//www.iiu.edu.my/deed/hadith/bukhari/002_sbt.html
Volume 1, Book 2, Number 7
Narrated Ibn 'Umar
Allah's Apostle said Islam is based on (the following) five (principles)
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To testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and Muhammad is Allah's Apostle.
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To offer the (compulsory congregational) prayers dutifully and perfectly.
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To pay Zakat (i.e. obligatory charity) .
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To perform Hajj. (i.e. Pilgrimage to Mecca)
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To observe fast during the month of Ramadan.
Anybody can go to that link to see how Bukhari places Muhammad's name in the original Shahaada and this is where belH evidently gets it from since he can't quote one verse in the Qur'aan that bears this man-made innovation that he believes in.
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Now belH we have went this far on this post and you still have not produced just ONE verse in the Qur'aan that says your shirk/Sunni Shahaada
I bear witness that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah
WHY HAVEN'T YOU PRODUCED JUST ONE VERSE YET, THATS THE REAL QUESTION?
Here you go
Peace all
Beside 63-1 to 6 that proves the practice of saying "Ashado ink La Rssol Allah" during prophet time, the following is another well-established Verse386
386 How can God guide a people who have rejected after believing, and they witnessed that the messenger is true, and the clarity had come to them? God does not guide the wicked people.All the Believers are ORDERED to Testify with The Truth. One of the Truth in the Book, is Mohamed is a Messenger of God. If you want to conceal your Testimony, then do, but never ask others to do.
Who is more wicked than one who conceals a testimony with him from God? God is not unaware of what you do.(2-140)
4386 And those whom they call on beside Him do not possess any intercession; except those who bear witness to the truth, and they fully know.
Now, according to God, and not Rashad Kalifa, You are Free to Testify with any thing from the Book You can Testify that Moses Spoke To God; you can Testify that Jesus has No Father; and Abraham was Kalial (had a unique relationship with) Allah. If any one ask you to conceal your Testimony and you followed his advice, then you are making him an equal partner to God--a god.
Follow your choice, and always remember, God is the one who can porhibet and not Rashad Kalifa. God Knows every one intention when we say any thing, and if your intention is to idolize any Prophet, then God will know that.
Now.... I bear witness that God is protecting the Quran and not Code 19. I bear witness that 9-128 and 129 are God's Words.
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Peace BelH,
Here you go...
Ummm... hmm Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see the words, "Ash-hadu an la ilaaha ila Allah wa ash-hadu ana Muhammad ar-rasuwlu Allah" anywhere in any of those Quranic verses. What you have quoted are your own opinonated words, not the words of Allah. What is the purpose of this? If you didn't get the words from the Quran, then you have gotten them from another source. And coincidentally, these words occur plenty of times thoughout the hadith and sunna writings... Please show us a verse FROM THE QURAN stating your Sunni shahaada.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace BelH,
Ummm... hmm Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see the words, "Ash-hadu an la ilaaha ila Allah wa ash-hadu ana Muhammad ar-rasuwlu Allah" anywhere in any of those Quranic verses. What you have quoted are your own opinonated words, not the words of Allah. What is the purpose of this? If you didn't get the words from the Quran, then you have gotten them from another source. And coincidentally, these words occur plenty of times thoughout the hadith and sunna writings... ) Please show us a verse FROM THE QURAN stating your Sunni shahaada.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Beside what the Quran Shows in 63-1 to 5 and 3-86, which you failed to acknowledge, please explain to me 2-140 & 43-86.
Moreover, would you Testify that God Spoke to Moses? Would you Testify that Code 19 is a divine Code to protect the Quran, or is a Trail for the Disbelievers?
Would you Testify that 9-128 & 129 are not Quranic Verses? )Believers are the ones who Testify about the Truth of their Lord; which of the above would you testify about if you are a Believer?
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And as such, We have made you a balanced nation so that you may be witness over the people, and that the messenger may be witness over you. (2143)
Can someone please enlighten me with this verse. To my understanding the messenger for each nation will be a witness for its nation.
The prophet will say my people have taken the quran as something mahjura.
He will say qowmi "my people". The prophet will be a "witness" for us on the day of judgement.
We acknowledge Allah through our messengers. When the magicians accepted belief, they uttered the words lord of musa and harun.
When the queen accepted belief she said i submit with solomon.
When phiroun was about to die he said he believes in the lord of musa.
"Fattaqullaha wa ateeun"
We believe in the rab of muhammad. He is the same rab, but he is the messenger of our people.
I agree shahada is only for Allah, testification is only for Allah but acknowledgement is different.
It is valid to say la ilaha illallah muhammad ur rasulullah as acknowledgement. Why not say all the other messenger names, cuz only Muhammad will be witness for us on the day of judgement and not Musa or Isa.
another interesting thing i would like to understand is does testification bring one into islam or eeman. Because the bedouins said they believed but they were told to say they submitted.
The word shahadat is never mentioned in the quran. U just have to believe.
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Peace BelH,
Beside what the Quran Shows in 63-1 to 5 and 3-86, which you failed to acknowledge, please explain to me 2-140 & 43-86.
So, you're taking two different verses from different parts of the Qur'an, and you're combining them to come up with your shirk shahaada? That's outrageous! The Jews were condemned in the Qur'an for doing exactly what you just did, moving words around in the scripture and taking things out of context to fit your own ideology. This is blasphemy! There is NO verse in the Qur'an that states your Sunni shahaada. Just admit it.
Moreover, would you Testify that God Spoke to Moses? Would you Testify that Code 19 is a divine Code to protect the Quran, or is a Trail for the Disbelievers?
Would you Testify that 9-128 & 129 are not Quranic Verses?Believers are the ones who Testify about the Truth of their Lord; which of the above would you testify about if you are a Believer?
Allah is enough as a witness regarding His messengers. Do I BELIEVE that God spoke to Moses? Yes. Do I BELIEVE that the code 19 system can be a divine means of protecting the Qur'an from fabrications? Yes. Do I also believe that it can be a trial for the disbelievers? Yes. (By the way, I suggest you read through the 74th chapter of the Qur'an if you think this is the only purpose of the count of 19.) Do I BELIEVE that 9128 and 129 are fabricated passages in the Qur'an due to them referring to Muhammad as "raheem", a title only given to Allah throughout the rest of the scripture? Yes. Do I regard myself as a believer and a submitter? Absolutely... Now, before I testify about any of these things in the presence of Allah, I have to remember that I was not present when Allah spoke to Moses, when He designed the code 19 phenomenon, or when scholars added the two false verses into the message. I wasn't present for any of these things. So, if I testify regarding them, I am only testifying according to heresay and belief, not according to actual knowledge and witness of them. People during the prophets' time often based their testimonies on the actual signs of God, things that they could actually witness and believe in. That's why Jesus' disciples could bear witness regarding his exhibiting signs of Allah - they actually witness him doing those things. The same was the case with Abraham, Moses, Elias, Jonas, David, Solomon, and even Muhammad. Similarly, many bear witness to the sign of Allah through the code 19, and there is nothing wrong with bearing witness to (and witnessing) God's signs. We can bear witness to Allah's greatness when we see the sun and moon and the other signs that He has given many of us the blessing to see. However, how can we bear witness regarding Muhammad when we've never seen him, nor do we know him? You didn't see him deliver the Qur'an, so how do you know he delivered it? Bearing witness regarding something you don't have firsthand knowledge about is equal to hypocrisy and lying (bearing false witness).
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace BelH,
Do I BELIEVE that 9128 and 129 are fabricated passages in the Qur'an due to them referring to Muhammad as "raheem", a title only given to Allah throughout the rest of the scripture? Yes.
Now, before I testify about any of these things in the presence of Allah, I have to remember that I was not present when Allah spoke to Moses, when He designed the code 19 phenomenon, or when scholars added the two false verses into the message. Peace,
Ahmad
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God will surely judge your mockery of His system, and the rejectors will suffer His punishment. And on that day, the idol worshipers will have no intercessors, and Allah will deal with them justly.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Its only a warning. One of the great ones. So that you caint say you didnt recieve a warner. God mocks you.
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Peace BelH,
So, you're taking two different verses from different parts of the Qur'an, and you're combining them to come up with your shirk shahaada?
Peace all
Ahamd, focus; 63-1 to 5 and 3-86 are a proof that Testifying was common between new comers to Islam during prophet time. I did not combine the two verses (which is okay to do by the way), but each is a stand alone verses (2 proofs).
on the other hand 2-140 & 43-86 are among the many verses that call and order the believers to TESTIFY TO THE TRUTH (The Quran Facts); moreover, it Prohibit the believers from concealing their Testimony. Thus, WE have to Testify to the Truth if we are True believers of the Truth that came in the Original Quran, Bible, and Torah.Now, before I testify about any of these things in the presence of Allah, I have to remember that I was not present when Allah spoke to Moses, when He designed the code 19 phenomenon, or when scholars added the two false verses into the message. I wasn't present for any of these things. So, if I testify regarding them, I am only testifying according to heresay and belief, not according to actual knowledge and witness of them.
Is not about Hearsay, rather GOD SAY.
Now did God say Mohamed is His Prophet? Yes; Did God say that He Spoke To Moses? Yes; Did God say that Rashad Kalifa is his Messenger? NO; did God say He will protect the Quran with a mathematical Code? No. Did God say that the Quran will be tampered with so we have to check it with code 19? NoPeople during the prophets' time often based their testimonies on the actual signs of God, things that they could actually witness and believe in. That's why Jesus' disciples could bear witness regarding his exhibiting signs of Allah - they actually witness him doing those things. The same was the case with Abraham, Moses, Elias, Jonas, David, Solomon, and even Muhammad. Similarly, many bear witness to the sign of Allah through the code 19, and there is nothing wrong with bearing witness to (and witnessing) God's signs. We can bear witness to Allah's greatness when we see the sun and moon and the other signs that He has given many of us the blessing to see. However, how can we bear witness regarding Muhammad when we've never seen him, nor do we know him? You didn't see him deliver the Qur'an, so how do you know he delivered it? Bearing witness regarding something you don't have firsthand knowledge about is equal to hypocrisy and lying (bearing false witness).
Thank you for putting the answer that I was trying to get from you, in a Straight Forward way.
Ahamed
1-is saying that He Testifies that "Code 19 is created to protect the Quran", which is not written any where in Quran (hearsay).
2-is Saying that He does not Testify that "Mohamed is God Messenger", which is written in Quran (God Say).Case Closed.
To all readers, use your God given Brain to know who is right and who is wrong?
Ahamed please reread what you wrote again and rethink if what you wrote is Logic, according to Quran, or not.
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To all readers, use your God given Brain to know who is right and who is wrong?
does that include me, ok i will use my brain, ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yeap i have to agree with ahmad on this one, as i have seen many who have answered this post to not accepting shahada to mohamad, so which readers are you talking about, may be YOU should start using your brain, and reread what EVERYONE has posted
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Peace all
Ahamd, focus; 63-1 to 5 and 3-86 are a proof that Testifying was common between new comers to Islam during prophet time. I did not combine the two verses (which is okay to do by the way), but each is a stand alone verses (2 proofs).
on the other hand 2-140 & 43-86 are among the many verses that call and order the believers to TESTIFY TO THE TRUTH (The Quran Facts); moreover, it Prohibit the believers from concealing their Testimony. Thus, WE have to Testify to the Truth if we are True believers of the Truth that came in the Original Quran, Bible, and Torah.Is not about Hearsay, rather GOD SAY.
Now did God say Mohamed is His Prophet? Yes; Did God say that He Spoke To Moses? Yes; Did God say that Rashad Kalifa is his Messenger? NO; did God said He will protect the Quran with a mathematical Code? No. Did God say that the Quran will be tampered with so we have to check it with code 19? NoThank you for putting the answer that I was trying to get from you in a Straight Forward way.
Ahamed
1-is saying that He Testifies that "Code 19 is created to protect the Quran", which is not written any where in Quran (hearsay).
2-is Saying that He does not Testify that "Mohamed is God Messenger", which is written in Quran (God Say).Case Closed.
To all readers, use your God given Brain to know who is right and who is wrong?
Ahamed please reread what you wrote again and rethink if what you wrote is Logic according to Quran or not.
Great brother bravo
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Peace BelH,
Ummm... hmm Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see the words, "Ash-hadu an la ilaaha ila Allah wa ash-hadu ana Muhammad ar-rasuwlu Allah" anywhere in any of those Quranic verses. What you have quoted are your own opinonated words, not the words of Allah. What is the purpose of this? If you didn't get the words from the Quran, then you have gotten them from another source. And coincidentally, these words occur plenty of times thoughout the hadith and sunna writings... ) Please show us a verse FROM THE QURAN stating your Sunni shahaada.
Peace,
Ahmad
Thank you brother Ahmad Bilal and at least we can quote just one verse in the Qur'aan that bears Allah's name ALONE without Muhammad's name being injected and plus this verse starts ouT with the first Arabic word which is Shahida (Shahaada)
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Peace
I posted earlier and I want to post it again...
To bear witness on something, one has to be a be able to WITNESS it with his senses first... Allah bore witness on many things because He is always there and saw all these events unlike us... All the verses in which people are bearing witness, they are bearing witness with the prophet who is alive in their time, and not bearing witness on dead prophets... The point is, we cannot bear witness on something/someone whom we did not witness.... We testify on things which our intellect can investigate into and verify...
But testimony is only for the ONENESS OF THE ONE TRUE GOD WHO DESERVE ALL WORSHIP AND PRAISE... and we come to know all and everything else through HIS WORDS... we know that Isa,Musa,Suleyman,Muhammad were His messengers through His words ... So SAMI3NAA WA ATWA3NAA .... We hear and we obey... We believe... We do not need to add the Messenger's name in the Shahadah for that... GOD never asked us to testify that Muhammad was His messenger so that we can be accepted in the deen of Al-ISLAM... this is man-made and big lie...
Allah is enough for me...
Peace brothers
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Thank you brother Ahmad Bilal and at least we can quote just one verse in the Qur'aan that bears Allah's name ALONE without Muhammad's name being injected and plus this verse starts ouT with the first Arabic word which is Shahida (Shahaada)
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Now put the above ayah in context with Sura Al-Imran 381
Behold! God took the covenant of the prophets, saying. "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you an Messenger, CONFIRMING what is with you; do you believe in him and render him help." God said. "Do you agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said. "WE AGREE." He said. "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."
thumma jaakum rasoolun musaddiqun lima maAAakum /
You guys spend more time arguing about nothing then you do actually developing a clear understanding of the Quran
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Peace,
Is this pledge not directed to the prophets??
And, clearly, they were required to BELIEVE IN THE NEW MESSENGER AND HELP HIM... this was their pledge... and since they agreed, God asked them to testify about their pledge... So whenever, there was a prophet and a new messenger came to them... they should honor their pledge... That what its all about...
Can anyone answer how we will be able to help the messenger now?? since he is no more...
Regards
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Peace,
Can anyone answer how we will be able to help the messenger now?? since he is no more...
Regards
By subscribing to his teachings or methods he left behind ( the Quran ). peace