The Shahada
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Peace BelH,
Here you go...
Ummm... hmm Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see the words, "Ash-hadu an la ilaaha ila Allah wa ash-hadu ana Muhammad ar-rasuwlu Allah" anywhere in any of those Quranic verses. What you have quoted are your own opinonated words, not the words of Allah. What is the purpose of this? If you didn't get the words from the Quran, then you have gotten them from another source. And coincidentally, these words occur plenty of times thoughout the hadith and sunna writings... Please show us a verse FROM THE QURAN stating your Sunni shahaada.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace BelH,
Ummm... hmm Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see the words, "Ash-hadu an la ilaaha ila Allah wa ash-hadu ana Muhammad ar-rasuwlu Allah" anywhere in any of those Quranic verses. What you have quoted are your own opinonated words, not the words of Allah. What is the purpose of this? If you didn't get the words from the Quran, then you have gotten them from another source. And coincidentally, these words occur plenty of times thoughout the hadith and sunna writings... ) Please show us a verse FROM THE QURAN stating your Sunni shahaada.
Peace,
Ahmad
Peace
Beside what the Quran Shows in 63-1 to 5 and 3-86, which you failed to acknowledge, please explain to me 2-140 & 43-86.
Moreover, would you Testify that God Spoke to Moses? Would you Testify that Code 19 is a divine Code to protect the Quran, or is a Trail for the Disbelievers?
Would you Testify that 9-128 & 129 are not Quranic Verses? )Believers are the ones who Testify about the Truth of their Lord; which of the above would you testify about if you are a Believer?
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And as such, We have made you a balanced nation so that you may be witness over the people, and that the messenger may be witness over you. (2143)
Can someone please enlighten me with this verse. To my understanding the messenger for each nation will be a witness for its nation.
The prophet will say my people have taken the quran as something mahjura.
He will say qowmi "my people". The prophet will be a "witness" for us on the day of judgement.
We acknowledge Allah through our messengers. When the magicians accepted belief, they uttered the words lord of musa and harun.
When the queen accepted belief she said i submit with solomon.
When phiroun was about to die he said he believes in the lord of musa.
"Fattaqullaha wa ateeun"
We believe in the rab of muhammad. He is the same rab, but he is the messenger of our people.
I agree shahada is only for Allah, testification is only for Allah but acknowledgement is different.
It is valid to say la ilaha illallah muhammad ur rasulullah as acknowledgement. Why not say all the other messenger names, cuz only Muhammad will be witness for us on the day of judgement and not Musa or Isa.
another interesting thing i would like to understand is does testification bring one into islam or eeman. Because the bedouins said they believed but they were told to say they submitted.
The word shahadat is never mentioned in the quran. U just have to believe.
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Peace BelH,
Beside what the Quran Shows in 63-1 to 5 and 3-86, which you failed to acknowledge, please explain to me 2-140 & 43-86.
So, you're taking two different verses from different parts of the Qur'an, and you're combining them to come up with your shirk shahaada? That's outrageous! The Jews were condemned in the Qur'an for doing exactly what you just did, moving words around in the scripture and taking things out of context to fit your own ideology. This is blasphemy! There is NO verse in the Qur'an that states your Sunni shahaada. Just admit it.
Moreover, would you Testify that God Spoke to Moses? Would you Testify that Code 19 is a divine Code to protect the Quran, or is a Trail for the Disbelievers?
Would you Testify that 9-128 & 129 are not Quranic Verses?Believers are the ones who Testify about the Truth of their Lord; which of the above would you testify about if you are a Believer?
Allah is enough as a witness regarding His messengers. Do I BELIEVE that God spoke to Moses? Yes. Do I BELIEVE that the code 19 system can be a divine means of protecting the Qur'an from fabrications? Yes. Do I also believe that it can be a trial for the disbelievers? Yes. (By the way, I suggest you read through the 74th chapter of the Qur'an if you think this is the only purpose of the count of 19.) Do I BELIEVE that 9128 and 129 are fabricated passages in the Qur'an due to them referring to Muhammad as "raheem", a title only given to Allah throughout the rest of the scripture? Yes. Do I regard myself as a believer and a submitter? Absolutely... Now, before I testify about any of these things in the presence of Allah, I have to remember that I was not present when Allah spoke to Moses, when He designed the code 19 phenomenon, or when scholars added the two false verses into the message. I wasn't present for any of these things. So, if I testify regarding them, I am only testifying according to heresay and belief, not according to actual knowledge and witness of them. People during the prophets' time often based their testimonies on the actual signs of God, things that they could actually witness and believe in. That's why Jesus' disciples could bear witness regarding his exhibiting signs of Allah - they actually witness him doing those things. The same was the case with Abraham, Moses, Elias, Jonas, David, Solomon, and even Muhammad. Similarly, many bear witness to the sign of Allah through the code 19, and there is nothing wrong with bearing witness to (and witnessing) God's signs. We can bear witness to Allah's greatness when we see the sun and moon and the other signs that He has given many of us the blessing to see. However, how can we bear witness regarding Muhammad when we've never seen him, nor do we know him? You didn't see him deliver the Qur'an, so how do you know he delivered it? Bearing witness regarding something you don't have firsthand knowledge about is equal to hypocrisy and lying (bearing false witness).
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace BelH,
Do I BELIEVE that 9128 and 129 are fabricated passages in the Qur'an due to them referring to Muhammad as "raheem", a title only given to Allah throughout the rest of the scripture? Yes.
Now, before I testify about any of these things in the presence of Allah, I have to remember that I was not present when Allah spoke to Moses, when He designed the code 19 phenomenon, or when scholars added the two false verses into the message. Peace,
Ahmad
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God will surely judge your mockery of His system, and the rejectors will suffer His punishment. And on that day, the idol worshipers will have no intercessors, and Allah will deal with them justly.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Its only a warning. One of the great ones. So that you caint say you didnt recieve a warner. God mocks you.
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Peace BelH,
So, you're taking two different verses from different parts of the Qur'an, and you're combining them to come up with your shirk shahaada?
Peace all
Ahamd, focus; 63-1 to 5 and 3-86 are a proof that Testifying was common between new comers to Islam during prophet time. I did not combine the two verses (which is okay to do by the way), but each is a stand alone verses (2 proofs).
on the other hand 2-140 & 43-86 are among the many verses that call and order the believers to TESTIFY TO THE TRUTH (The Quran Facts); moreover, it Prohibit the believers from concealing their Testimony. Thus, WE have to Testify to the Truth if we are True believers of the Truth that came in the Original Quran, Bible, and Torah.Now, before I testify about any of these things in the presence of Allah, I have to remember that I was not present when Allah spoke to Moses, when He designed the code 19 phenomenon, or when scholars added the two false verses into the message. I wasn't present for any of these things. So, if I testify regarding them, I am only testifying according to heresay and belief, not according to actual knowledge and witness of them.
Is not about Hearsay, rather GOD SAY.
Now did God say Mohamed is His Prophet? Yes; Did God say that He Spoke To Moses? Yes; Did God say that Rashad Kalifa is his Messenger? NO; did God say He will protect the Quran with a mathematical Code? No. Did God say that the Quran will be tampered with so we have to check it with code 19? NoPeople during the prophets' time often based their testimonies on the actual signs of God, things that they could actually witness and believe in. That's why Jesus' disciples could bear witness regarding his exhibiting signs of Allah - they actually witness him doing those things. The same was the case with Abraham, Moses, Elias, Jonas, David, Solomon, and even Muhammad. Similarly, many bear witness to the sign of Allah through the code 19, and there is nothing wrong with bearing witness to (and witnessing) God's signs. We can bear witness to Allah's greatness when we see the sun and moon and the other signs that He has given many of us the blessing to see. However, how can we bear witness regarding Muhammad when we've never seen him, nor do we know him? You didn't see him deliver the Qur'an, so how do you know he delivered it? Bearing witness regarding something you don't have firsthand knowledge about is equal to hypocrisy and lying (bearing false witness).
Thank you for putting the answer that I was trying to get from you, in a Straight Forward way.
Ahamed
1-is saying that He Testifies that "Code 19 is created to protect the Quran", which is not written any where in Quran (hearsay).
2-is Saying that He does not Testify that "Mohamed is God Messenger", which is written in Quran (God Say).Case Closed.
To all readers, use your God given Brain to know who is right and who is wrong?
Ahamed please reread what you wrote again and rethink if what you wrote is Logic, according to Quran, or not.
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To all readers, use your God given Brain to know who is right and who is wrong?
does that include me, ok i will use my brain, ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yeap i have to agree with ahmad on this one, as i have seen many who have answered this post to not accepting shahada to mohamad, so which readers are you talking about, may be YOU should start using your brain, and reread what EVERYONE has posted
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Peace all
Ahamd, focus; 63-1 to 5 and 3-86 are a proof that Testifying was common between new comers to Islam during prophet time. I did not combine the two verses (which is okay to do by the way), but each is a stand alone verses (2 proofs).
on the other hand 2-140 & 43-86 are among the many verses that call and order the believers to TESTIFY TO THE TRUTH (The Quran Facts); moreover, it Prohibit the believers from concealing their Testimony. Thus, WE have to Testify to the Truth if we are True believers of the Truth that came in the Original Quran, Bible, and Torah.Is not about Hearsay, rather GOD SAY.
Now did God say Mohamed is His Prophet? Yes; Did God say that He Spoke To Moses? Yes; Did God say that Rashad Kalifa is his Messenger? NO; did God said He will protect the Quran with a mathematical Code? No. Did God say that the Quran will be tampered with so we have to check it with code 19? NoThank you for putting the answer that I was trying to get from you in a Straight Forward way.
Ahamed
1-is saying that He Testifies that "Code 19 is created to protect the Quran", which is not written any where in Quran (hearsay).
2-is Saying that He does not Testify that "Mohamed is God Messenger", which is written in Quran (God Say).Case Closed.
To all readers, use your God given Brain to know who is right and who is wrong?
Ahamed please reread what you wrote again and rethink if what you wrote is Logic according to Quran or not.
Great brother bravo
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Peace BelH,
Ummm... hmm Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see the words, "Ash-hadu an la ilaaha ila Allah wa ash-hadu ana Muhammad ar-rasuwlu Allah" anywhere in any of those Quranic verses. What you have quoted are your own opinonated words, not the words of Allah. What is the purpose of this? If you didn't get the words from the Quran, then you have gotten them from another source. And coincidentally, these words occur plenty of times thoughout the hadith and sunna writings... ) Please show us a verse FROM THE QURAN stating your Sunni shahaada.
Peace,
Ahmad
Thank you brother Ahmad Bilal and at least we can quote just one verse in the Qur'aan that bears Allah's name ALONE without Muhammad's name being injected and plus this verse starts ouT with the first Arabic word which is Shahida (Shahaada)
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Peace
I posted earlier and I want to post it again...
To bear witness on something, one has to be a be able to WITNESS it with his senses first... Allah bore witness on many things because He is always there and saw all these events unlike us... All the verses in which people are bearing witness, they are bearing witness with the prophet who is alive in their time, and not bearing witness on dead prophets... The point is, we cannot bear witness on something/someone whom we did not witness.... We testify on things which our intellect can investigate into and verify...
But testimony is only for the ONENESS OF THE ONE TRUE GOD WHO DESERVE ALL WORSHIP AND PRAISE... and we come to know all and everything else through HIS WORDS... we know that Isa,Musa,Suleyman,Muhammad were His messengers through His words ... So SAMI3NAA WA ATWA3NAA .... We hear and we obey... We believe... We do not need to add the Messenger's name in the Shahadah for that... GOD never asked us to testify that Muhammad was His messenger so that we can be accepted in the deen of Al-ISLAM... this is man-made and big lie...
Allah is enough for me...
Peace brothers
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Thank you brother Ahmad Bilal and at least we can quote just one verse in the Qur'aan that bears Allah's name ALONE without Muhammad's name being injected and plus this verse starts ouT with the first Arabic word which is Shahida (Shahaada)
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Now put the above ayah in context with Sura Al-Imran 381
Behold! God took the covenant of the prophets, saying. "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you an Messenger, CONFIRMING what is with you; do you believe in him and render him help." God said. "Do you agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said. "WE AGREE." He said. "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."
thumma jaakum rasoolun musaddiqun lima maAAakum /
You guys spend more time arguing about nothing then you do actually developing a clear understanding of the Quran
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Peace,
Is this pledge not directed to the prophets??
And, clearly, they were required to BELIEVE IN THE NEW MESSENGER AND HELP HIM... this was their pledge... and since they agreed, God asked them to testify about their pledge... So whenever, there was a prophet and a new messenger came to them... they should honor their pledge... That what its all about...
Can anyone answer how we will be able to help the messenger now?? since he is no more...
Regards
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Peace,
Can anyone answer how we will be able to help the messenger now?? since he is no more...
Regards
By subscribing to his teachings or methods he left behind ( the Quran ). peace
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Peace,
Is this pledge not directed to the prophets??
And, clearly, they were required to BELIEVE IN THE NEW MESSENGER AND HELP HIM... this was their pledge... and since they agreed, God asked them to testify about their pledge... So whenever, there was a prophet and a new messenger came to them... they should honor their pledge... That what its all about...
Can anyone answer how we will be able to help the messenger now?? since he is no more...
Regards
that pledge is for all prophets mohamad included, as he was a prohpet was he not, and it says when he gave them the books and wisdom, which proves yet again he is talking about mohamad as being one of the prophets taking the pledge,
becuase he recieved a book as well, THEN came a messenger, so the prophets were taking a pledge including mohamad after the books had all come, THEN CAME A MESSENGER TO CONFIRM THE SCRIPTURES.
and he did come and go.... unfortunatley some people would rather hurt him then help him, some who are against him and some within him who abuse what he had.....it seems to me people are not really understanding the concept of the miracle......... -
Peace BelH,
Case Closed.
"Case closed"? laugh How is the case closed, brother? You STILL haven't shown us ONE VERSE in the Qur'an that declares your shirk shahaada. So, everytime you state your two testimonies, you are blaspheming and pairing Allah with Muhammad. If you wish to prove that your shirk shahaada is "GOD SAY", then please show us in the Qur'an where it is declared as a shahaada. But instead of doing this, you are relying on "MEN SAY" pagan traditions and manmade hadith and sunna writings.
Thank you for putting the answer that I was trying to get from you, in a Straight Forward way.
Ahamed
1-is saying that He Testifies that "Code 19 is created to protect the Quran", which is not written any where in Quran (hearsay).
2-is Saying that He does not Testify that "Mohamed is God Messenger", which is written in Quran (God Say).This is a clear example of your hypocrisy and ignorance. I have already told you my beliefs regarding the "code 19", and I have shown you clear examples from the Qur'an which indicate exactly what this "code" is used for, as well as why it is used. I have shown you directly from the scripture. So, your rejection of God's clear signs will surely be a witness against you in the Hereafter. Also, you STILL haven't shown me ANYWHERE in the Qur'an that says that the believers are required to pronounce shahaada about the prophets and messengers. All you have done is pointed out a shahaada bearing witness to Muhammad being a messenger of Allah, SPOKEN BY THE HYPOCRITES. Why haven't you mentioned a saying spoken by the believers? Are you too one of the hypocrites mentioned in chapter 63?
To all readers, use your God given Brain to know who is right and who is wrong?
I completely agree. Obviously, you believe that God revealed PART of the shahaada in 318, but He obviously forgot to mention the rest of it, specifically the part mentioning Muhammad's name... ) In fact, in ALL of the verses why the shahaada is mentioned (i.e. "La ilaaha ila Allah", God must've forgotten to mention the prophets alongside Him, right? I sure don't see any of them mentioned in any of the verses where the shahaada is declared. But you're right, I haven't examined the real circumstances like you said. Allah just forgot to put the rest of the shahaada in the Qur'an, right? He must've left it up to Sunni scholars to go ahead and combine another verse to the shahaada so they could have a sound basis for their belief, and we should all bear witness to Muhammad's name being in the shahaada, which Allah apparently forgot to mention, right? -\ You gotta be kidding me, BelH! Are you seriously trying to lead people down your path of idol worship with your ridiculous ideology?
I think, if the readers are trying to find out what the shahaada is that Allah prescribes, they should look to the Qur'an, not fabricated hadiths.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Assalaam Alaikum
Ok its time....
MOHAMMAD can/IS not be the father/ancestor from any of you men but he is the messenger of Allah and seal of prophets / khatama an nabiyyiin. And Allah has knowledge of all things.
Al-Ahzab Ma kana muhammadun aba ahadin min rijalikum wa lakin rasoola Allahi wa khatama alnnabiyyeena wakana Allahu bikulli shayin AAaleeman
Is this reference in the above ayah about the Arab of 1426 years ago?