The Quran and Birds
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Blessings of Akatosh D,
I would like to ask are all birds 'halal' in the Quran? If the answer is yes, this means that any animal other than the pig is allowed. Can we eat horses, donkeys and tigers? Can we eat kangaroos, cockroaches and rodents? etc etc. If the answer is no then all the birds must be forbidden. If it is something in the middle, express it here.
Peace,
Rami
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Blessings of Akatosh ,
I would like to ask are all birds 'halal' in the Quran? If the answer is yes, this means that any animal other than the pig is allowed. Can we eat horses, donkeys and tigers? Can we eat kangaroos, cockroaches and rodents? etc etc. If the answer is no then all the birds must be forbidden.
What do you think?
Peace,
Rami
Yes all animals birds and insects are halal for chines japanies korians and others from same family ;D
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Can you eat dogs and cats?
You have to look at The Reading(Al-Quran) from a guidance perspective and use it as a tool. Once you do that then the questions you ask become irrelevant in my opinion.
For example what stops you eating your own excrements?? The Reading doesn't mention it as forbidden! See the point im trying to make? The Reading has general laws to live by and the rest we have to use our own reasoning to distinguish whats beneficial to us individually and collectively, inline with the general laws provided in The ReadinG.
PEACE
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You have to look at The Reading(Al-Quran) from a guidance perspective and use it as a tool. Once you do that then the questions you ask become irrelevant in my opinion.
For example what stops you eating your own excrements?? The Reading doesn't mention it as forbidden! See the point im trying to make? The Reading has general laws to live by and the rest we have to use our own reasoning to distinguish whats beneficial to us individually and collectively, inline with the general laws provided in The ReadinG.
PEACE
Peace Prince,
You missed the point. I am talking about which animals to eat not potentially toxic material. Almost all animals are nutritious but which one do we eat and which do we leave alone. My theory is that all animals are forbidden except 'baheemat el an3am' = goats, sheep, cattle and camels (except pigs, dead, blood and what is slaughtered for other than God), all seafood.
Peace.
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Peace Prince,
You missed the point. I am talking about which animals to eat not potentially toxic material. Almost all animals are nutritious but which one do we eat and which do we leave alone. My theory is that all animals are forbidden except 'baheemat el an3am' = goats, sheep, cattle and camels (except pigs, dead, blood and what is slaughtered for other than God), all seafood.
Peace.
My point still stands because the point im making is that you have to go beyond the scripture and use your reasoning for beneficial results. And remember that we cannot make something forbidden unless The God has made it forbidden hence your theory remains just that. The law giving verses are clear on whats forbidden and the rest by default becomes permissible.
PEACE
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My point still stands because the point im making is that you have to go beyond the scripture and use your reasoning for beneficial results. And remember that we cannot make something forbidden unless The God has made it forbidden hence your theory remains just that. The law giving verses are clear on whats forbidden and the rest by default becomes permissible.
PEACE
Peace Prince,
Take it easy. How do you explain the following verses
51 O you who believe, honor your contracts. Made lawful for you are all the animals of the livestock, except that which is being recited to you, and what you are not allowed to hunt of the game while you are under restriction. God decrees as He pleases.
596 Made Lawful for you is the catch of the sea, to eat it as enjoyment for you and for those who travel; and forbidden for you is the catch of the land as long as you are under restriction; and be aware of God to whom you will be gathered.The first verse above says that the animals of the livestock are allowed except blood, dead, pig and what is slaughtered other than God(what is recited). Regarding the second verse, it gives the green light for consuming seafood. Where in the Quran does it state it is ok to eat birds?? Can it be within the range of 'tayebat'? If so then seafood is allowed anyway because its not mentioned in the forbidden items so why does God say the seafood has been made permissible?
Peace,
Rami
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Peace Prince,
Take it easy. How do you explain the following verses
51 O you who believe, honor your contracts. Made lawful for you are all the animals of the livestock, except that which is being recited to you, and what you are not allowed to hunt of the game while you are under restriction. God decrees as He pleases.
596 Made Lawful for you is the catch of the sea, to eat it as enjoyment for you and for those who travel; and forbidden for you is the catch of the land as long as you are under restriction; and be aware of God to whom you will be gathered.The first verse above says that the animals of the livestock are allowed except blood, dead, pig and what is slaughtered other than God(what is recited). Regarding the second verse, it gives the green light for consuming seafood. Where in the Quran does it state it is ok to eat birds?? Can it be within the range of 'tayebat'? If so then seafood is allowed anyway because its not mentioned in the forbidden items so why does God say the seafood has been made permissible?
Peace,
Rami
O ye people! Eat of what is on earth, lawful and good; and do not follow the footsteps of the Evil One, for he is to you an avowed enemy.? (Al-Baqarah16
?O you who believe (in the Oneness of Allah)! Eat of the good things that We have provided you, and be grateful to Allah if it is (indeed) He Whom you worship?. (Al-Baqarah172)
?Eat of that which Allah hath provided for you lawful and good; but fear Allah, in Whom ye believe.? (Al Maidah8
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O ye people! Eat of what is on earth, lawful and good; and do not follow the footsteps of the Evil One, for he is to you an avowed enemy. (Al-Baqarah16
O you who believe (in the Oneness of Allah)! Eat of the good things that We have provided you, and be grateful to Allah if it is (indeed) He Whom you worship. (Al-Baqarah172)
Eat of that which Allah hath provided for you lawful and good; but fear Allah, in Whom ye believe. (Al Maidah8
O you who believe (in the Oneness of Allah)! Eat of the good things that We have provided you (animal livestock- the paired eight 396), and be grateful to Allah if it is (indeed) He Whom you worship. (Al-Baqarah172)
Eat of that which Allah hath provided for you lawful(livestock and seafood 51, 596) and good; but fear Allah, in Whom ye believe. (Al Maidah8
Peace,
Rami
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?O you who believe (in the Oneness of Allah)! Eat of the good things that We have provided you (animal livestock- the paired eight 396), and be grateful to Allah if it is (indeed) He Whom you worship?. (Al-Baqarah172)
?Eat of that which Allah hath provided for you lawful(livestock and seafood 51, 596) and good; but fear Allah, in Whom ye believe.? (Al Maidah8
Peace,
Rami
http//www.jews-for-allah.org/Jews-and-Muslims-Agree/halal_is_kosher.htm
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birds of prey or scavengers (Lev. 1113-19; Deut. 1411-1
Sayings of Prophet Muhammad
Similarly, someone in ihram should not kill any predatory birds.. Malik's Muwatta, Book 20, Number 20.26.92.
See how the hadith plagarized from the Bible to forbid some birds as the Torah! You say that all birds are 'halal'. It is very possible that all birds are actually forbidden. When God talks about the prohibition he made for the Jews, they are all within the range of the animal livestock, He didn't say that we forbade the scavenger birds 'al-gawareh'.
Peace,
Rami
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birds of prey or scavengers (Lev. 1113-19; Deut. 1411-1
Sayings of Prophet Muhammad
Similarly, someone in ihram should not kill any predatory birds..? Malik's Muwatta, Book 20, Number 20.26.92.
See how the hadith plagarized from the Bible to forbid some birds as the Torah! You say that all birds are 'halal'. It is very possible that all birds are actually forbidden. When God talks about the prohibition he made for the Jews, they are all within the range of the animal livestock, He didn't say that we forbade the scavenger birds 'al-gawareh'.
Peace,
Rami
Halal and Haram Foods according to Quran
In Quran, in the following verses, it has been described what foods are known as halal (lawful) and also haram (unlawful) foods
1- Chapter 6 , Verse 145
say i do not find in that which has been revealed to me anything forbidden for an eater to eat of except that it be what has died of itself, or blood poured forth, or flesh of swine-- for that surely is unclean-- or that which is a transgression, other than (the name of) allah having been invoked on it; but whoever is driven to necessity, not desiring nor exceeding the limit, then surely your lord is forgiving, merciful
2- Chapter 16 , Verse 114
therefore eat of what allah has given you, lawful and good (things), and give thanks for allah's favor if him do you serve
3- Chapter 16 , Verse 115
he has only forbidden you what dies of itself and blood and flesh of swine and that over which any other name than that of allah has been invoked, but whoever is driven to necessity, not desiring nor exceeding the limit, then surely allah is forgiving, merciful
4- Chapter 16 , Verse 116
and, for what your tongues describe, do not utter the lie, (saying) this is lawful and this is unlawful, in order to forge a lie against allah; surely those who forge the lie against allah shall not prosper
5- Chapter 5 , Verse 3forbidden to you is that which dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that on which any other name than that of allah has been invoked, and the strangled (animal) and that beaten to death, and that killed by a fall and that killed by being smitten with the horn, and that which wild beasts have eaten, except what you slaughter, and what is sacrificed on stones set up (for idols) and that you divide by the arrows; that is a transgression. this day have those who disbelieve despaired of your religion, so fear them not, and fear me. this day have i perfected for you your religion and completed my favor on you and chosen for you islam as a religion; but whoever is compelled by hunger, not inclining willfully to sin, then surely allah is forgiving, merciful
6- Chapter 5 , Verse 4
they ask you as to what is allowed to them. say the good things are allowed to you, and what you have taught the beasts and birds of prey, training them to hunt-- you teach them of what allah has taught you-- so eat of that which they catch for you and mention the name of allah over it; and be careful of (your duty to) allah; surely allah is swift in reckoning
7- Chapter 5 , Verse 5this day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them; and the chaste from among the believing women and the chaste from among those who have been given the book before you (are lawful for you); when you have given them their dowries, taking (them) in marriage, not fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret; and whoever denies faith, his work indeed is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers
8- Chapter 6 , Verse 118
therefore eat of that on which allah's name has been mentioned if you are believers in his communications
9- Chapter 6 , Verse 119
and what reason have you that you should not eat of that on which allah's name has been mentioned, and he has already made plain to you what he has forbidden to you-- excepting what you are compelled to; and most surely many would lead (people) astray by their low desires out of ignorance; surely your lord-- he best knows those who exceed the limits
10- Chapter 6 , Verse 121
and do not eat of that on which allah's name has not been mentioned, and that is most surely a transgression; and most surely the shaitans suggest to their friends that they should contend with you; and if you obey them, you shall most surely be polytheists
11- Chapter 5 , Verse 87
o you who believe! do not forbid (yourselves) the good things which allah has made lawful for you and do not exceed the limits; surely allah does not love those who exceed the limits
12- Chapter 5 , Verse 88
and eat of the lawful and good (things) that allah has given you, and be careful of (your duty to) allah, in whom you believe
13- Chapter 5 , Verse 90
o you who believe! intoxicants and games of chance and (sacrificing to) stones set up and (dividing by) arrows are only an uncleanness, the shaitan's work; shun it therefore that you may be successful
14- Chapter 5 , Verse 96
lawful to you is the game of the sea and its food, a provision for you and for the travellers, and the game of the land is forbidden to you so long as you are on pilgrimage, and be careful of (your duty to) allah, to whom you shall be gathered
15- Chapter 10 , Verse 59
say tell me what allah has sent down for you of sustenance, then you make (a part) of it unlawful and (a part) lawful. say has allah commanded you, or do you forge a lie against allah?
16- Chapter 16 , Verse 14
and he it is who has made the sea subservient that you may eat fresh flesh from it and bring forth from it ornaments which you wear, and you see the ships cleaving through it, and that you might seek of his bounty and that you may give thanks
17- Chapter 7 , Verse 31
o children of adam! attend to your embellishments at every time of prayer, and eat and drink and be not extravagant; surely he does not love the extravagant
18- Chapter 23 , Verse 51
o messengers! eat of the good things and do good; surely i know what you do
19- Chapter 2 , Verse 168
o men! eat the lawful and good things out of what is in the earth, and do not follow the footsteps of the shaitan; surely he is your open enemy
20- Chapter 40 , Verse 79
allah is he who made the cattle for you that you may ride on some of them, and some of them you eat
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Halal and Haram Foods according to Quran
In Quran, in the following verses, it has been described what foods are known as halal (lawful) and also haram (unlawful) foods
1- Chapter 6 , Verse 145
say i do not find in that which has been revealed to me anything forbidden for an eater to eat of except that it be what has died of itself, or blood poured forth, or flesh of swine-- for that surely is unclean-- or that which is a transgression, other than (the name of) allah having been invoked on it; but whoever is driven to necessity, not desiring nor exceeding the limit, then surely your lord is forgiving, merciful
2- Chapter 16 , Verse 114
therefore eat of what allah has given you, lawful and good (things), and give thanks for allah's favor if him do you serve
3- Chapter 16 , Verse 115
he has only forbidden you what dies of itself and blood and flesh of swine and that over which any other name than that of allah has been invoked, but whoever is driven to necessity, not desiring nor exceeding the limit, then surely allah is forgiving, merciful
4- Chapter 16 , Verse 116
and, for what your tongues describe, do not utter the lie, (saying) this is lawful and this is unlawful, in order to forge a lie against allah; surely those who forge the lie against allah shall not prosper
5- Chapter 5 , Verse 3forbidden to you is that which dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that on which any other name than that of allah has been invoked, and the strangled (animal) and that beaten to death, and that killed by a fall and that killed by being smitten with the horn, and that which wild beasts have eaten, except what you slaughter, and what is sacrificed on stones set up (for idols) and that you divide by the arrows; that is a transgression. this day have those who disbelieve despaired of your religion, so fear them not, and fear me. this day have i perfected for you your religion and completed my favor on you and chosen for you islam as a religion; but whoever is compelled by hunger, not inclining willfully to sin, then surely allah is forgiving, merciful
6- Chapter 5 , Verse 4
they ask you as to what is allowed to them. say the good things are allowed to you, and what you have taught the beasts and birds of prey, training them to hunt-- you teach them of what allah has taught you-- so eat of that which they catch for you and mention the name of allah over it; and be careful of (your duty to) allah; surely allah is swift in reckoning
7- Chapter 5 , Verse 5this day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them; and the chaste from among the believing women and the chaste from among those who have been given the book before you (are lawful for you); when you have given them their dowries, taking (them) in marriage, not fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret; and whoever denies faith, his work indeed is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers
8- Chapter 6 , Verse 118
therefore eat of that on which allah's name has been mentioned if you are believers in his communications
9- Chapter 6 , Verse 119
and what reason have you that you should not eat of that on which allah's name has been mentioned, and he has already made plain to you what he has forbidden to you-- excepting what you are compelled to; and most surely many would lead (people) astray by their low desires out of ignorance; surely your lord-- he best knows those who exceed the limits
10- Chapter 6 , Verse 121
and do not eat of that on which allah's name has not been mentioned, and that is most surely a transgression; and most surely the shaitans suggest to their friends that they should contend with you; and if you obey them, you shall most surely be polytheists
11- Chapter 5 , Verse 87
o you who believe! do not forbid (yourselves) the good things which allah has made lawful for you and do not exceed the limits; surely allah does not love those who exceed the limits
12- Chapter 5 , Verse 88
and eat of the lawful and good (things) that allah has given you, and be careful of (your duty to) allah, in whom you believe
13- Chapter 5 , Verse 90
o you who believe! intoxicants and games of chance and (sacrificing to) stones set up and (dividing by) arrows are only an uncleanness, the shaitan's work; shun it therefore that you may be successful
14- Chapter 5 , Verse 96
lawful to you is the game of the sea and its food, a provision for you and for the travellers, and the game of the land is forbidden to you so long as you are on pilgrimage, and be careful of (your duty to) allah, to whom you shall be gathered
15- Chapter 10 , Verse 59
say tell me what allah has sent down for you of sustenance, then you make (a part) of it unlawful and (a part) lawful. say has allah commanded you, or do you forge a lie against allah?
16- Chapter 16 , Verse 14
and he it is who has made the sea subservient that you may eat fresh flesh from it and bring forth from it ornaments which you wear, and you see the ships cleaving through it, and that you might seek of his bounty and that you may give thanks
17- Chapter 7 , Verse 31
o children of adam! attend to your embellishments at every time of prayer, and eat and drink and be not extravagant; surely he does not love the extravagant
18- Chapter 23 , Verse 51
o messengers! eat of the good things and do good; surely i know what you do
19- Chapter 2 , Verse 168
o men! eat the lawful and good things out of what is in the earth, and do not follow the footsteps of the shaitan; surely he is your open enemy
20- Chapter 40 , Verse 79
allah is he who made the cattle for you that you may ride on some of them, and some of them you eat
Ok. Lets quote some interesting verses
165 And the livestock He created them for you, in them is warmth and benefits, and from them you eat.
166 And for you in them is beauty, when you relax and when you travel.
167 And they carry your loads to a place you would not have been able to reach except with great strain. Your Lord is Compassionate, Merciful.
168 And the horses, and mules, and donkeys, that you may ride them and as an adornment. And He creates what you do not know.From these verses, it seems the livestock can be eaten but the horses, mules and donkeys is only for riding and adornment. In your interpretation, these three transport animals can be eaten. Notice how God separated the livestock from the three.
Peace,
Rami
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Ok. Lets quote some interesting verses
165 And the livestock He created them for you, in them is warmth and benefits, and from them you eat.
166 And for you in them is beauty, when you relax and when you travel.
167 And they carry your loads to a place you would not have been able to reach except with great strain. Your Lord is Compassionate, Merciful.
168 And the horses, and mules, and donkeys, that you may ride them and as an adornment. And He creates what you do not know.From these verses, it seems the livestock can be eaten but the horses, mules and donkeys is only for riding and adornment. In your interpretation, these three transport animals can be eaten. Notice how God separated the livestock from the three.
Peace,
Rami
You did not read the last verse i posted,
20- Chapter 40 , Verse 79
allah is he who made the cattle for you that you may ride on some of them, and some of them you eat
eat
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You did not read the last verse i posted,
20- Chapter 40 , Verse 79
allah is he who made the cattle for you that you may ride on some of them, and some of them you eat
eat
Peace afridi,
You have a one hell of an appetite! ;D This doesn't change the fact that the livestock is separated from donkeys, horses and mules. Note the camel is also used for riding but because its part of the livestock, it is not mentioned with the three.
Peace,
Rami.
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Peace Prince,
Take it easy. How do you explain the following verses
51 O you who believe, honor your contracts. Made lawful for you are all the animals of the livestock, except that which is being recited to you, and what you are not allowed to hunt of the game while you are under restriction. God decrees as He pleases.
596 Made Lawful for you is the catch of the sea, to eat it as enjoyment for you and for those who travel; and forbidden for you is the catch of the land as long as you are under restriction; and be aware of God to whom you will be gathered.The first verse above says that the animals of the livestock are allowed except blood, dead, pig and what is slaughtered other than God(what is recited). Regarding the second verse, it gives the green light for consuming seafood. Where in the Quran does it state it is ok to eat birds?? Can it be within the range of 'tayebat'? If so then seafood is allowed anyway because its not mentioned in the forbidden items so why does God say the seafood has been made permissible?
Peace,
Rami
I didn't mean to sound rude. It's simple logic if something isn't forbidden in the Quran then it is allowed. But we as humans then have to see if it's beneficial for us or not. Some people can eat meat and some people can't for health purposes. We have to use our own reasoning beyond the scripture. Al-Quran is a dynamic book and we wouldn't make sense of it if The God didn't give us reasoning and logic.
PEACE
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It's simple logic if something isn't forbidden in the Quran then it is allowed. But we as humans then have to see if it's beneficial for us or not. Some people can eat meat and some people can't for health purposes. We have to use our own reasoning beyond the scripture. Al-Quran is a dynamic book and we wouldn't make sense of it if The God didn't give us reasoning and logic.
Yeah! Our Reasoning Faculty is the context of the Scripture along with our childhood/background experiences. A word is said to be enough for the wise because the wise already has the context and the reasoning faculty to expand it even more.