Why calling ourselves "Muslims" or refering to our faith as "Islam" is a Mistake

khyaletanzim

Dear All,

Quran is the message of God. Following Quran is following God. God talks to his creation with wahi(Inspire). God inspires to all his creations some examples are Prophets 4163, Animals 1668 and ordinary humans 2038, 287 and 4251.
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inspiration

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reveal to , inspire with , inspire to , inspire with (or to)

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suggest verb propose ( a theory , plan or hypothesis ) or indicate
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inspiration noun a supposed force or influence on poets , artists , musicians , etc. , stimulating creative activity , exalted thoughts
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inhalation , a drawing of breath
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One can agree or disagree with the above meanings but these meanings are taken from Sakhr Arabic dictionary. Quran is the combination of inspirations which Quran refers to as ayat (signs). In my understanding Quran is combination of inspired signs. Quran works as a wahi for the reader and now it is the duty of the reader to understand those signs.

Signs are clearly differentiated in verse 37 into two categories. According to my understanding Clear signs work as base and allegoric signs are to be explained by retaining the basics intact at all times. What we are debating is part of sign without keeping basics intact.

Here is my understanding of the matter.
569 Free_Minds Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Sabians, and the Nazarenes, whomever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good work; then they will have nothing to fear nor will they grieve.

According to my understanding the translation must be like this 569 Surely those who believed, and the guided, and the converts, and the Christians - whoso believes in God and the Last Day and does good deeds, on them shall come no fear, nor shall they grieve.

If we examine this verse then it is clear that God is clearly mentioning 1. Those who believed (in Quran). 2. those who are guided. 3. Those who are trying convert (trying to become believers) 4.Christians.

The reason I don?t take hadu as Jews because for Jews the word yahood is mention in Qruan in several places but here it is not written yahood but hadu. Verses where yahood is written are

Whatever the case maybe the basics are clearly mentioned. 1. Believes in God. 2. Fears the judgment day. 3. Does the Good deeds.Quran clearly tells the duty of those who believed in the Quran and one can easily find those verses in Quran. All the verses addressed to the believers are telling us qualities of believer and if one does not have all those Qualities then He cannot be the one who believed.

God has mentioned stages (categories) for all of us and those categories are clearly mentioned in the following verse.
3335 For Muslim men and women,- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in God's praise,- for them has God prepared forgiveness and great reward.

The sequence of the categories can be taken as top to bottom or from bottom to top but in my understating it is from top to bottom. According to my understanding the meanings are as following. Those who are Obedient (submitters), believers, God fearing (pious), truthful, patient, helping, restrain themselves (food and harm), chaste and those who Remember.

Nowhere in Quran Muslims are addressed nor their qualities are mentioned and this fact leads me to believe that this title can be given by God only or can only be spoken in front of God and not by the people. All the other titles can be checked or understood by humans because they are all explained in Quran clearly.

Regards.

drfazl

Its not what we think of ourselves or what we should call ourselves that I am discussing but how we can be differentiated. Thats what labels are for. By referring to ourselves as Muslims like the sects do we might remain invisible. Whats the point if we remain invisible? The Koran came for mankind and its our duty to propagate it and defend it from the so called Muslims who claim to be its followers and spokespeople.

Bigmo,

Instead of showing the difference differentiating it is better we stay distinguished example individualy by following Quran with the help of Allah.

drfazl

Why should "we" be identified? If you're intelligent, do you have to belong to the (inteligentia) group to be identified? Actions speak for us and God will identify us. Isn't that how we connect to others and relate to them, through their behaviour and actions and not their labels?

I fully agree samia

Samia

I fully agree samia

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Bigmo

Bigmo,

Instead of showing the difference differentiating it is better we stay distinguished example individualy by following Quran with the help of Allah.

That sounds cultish. The prophets led by example but also preached. The problem is we have 1.4 billion people who claim to be followers of the Koran. We are invisible so far. That's not what the Koran came for. Many people are being misled and we are just gloating about ourselves, that ain't cool.

drfazl

That sounds cultish. The prophets led by example but also preached. The problem is we have 1.4 billion people who claim to be followers of the Koran. We are invisible so far. That's not what the Koran came for. Many people are being misled and we are just gloating about ourselves, that ain't cool.

Being an example from Quran is cultish? Funny.
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Ahmad_Bilal

Peace Bigmo,

But you still have not answered the question how are we to be identified. Sooner or later people would simply make a name for us to distinguish us from others. Plus the Koran gave believers many names so why stick with Islam? Why not Nasara or Ahl Al-Kitab. Why not Mu'mins meaning believers. The Koran at one time told new followers to Muhammad to say you are Muslims but not believers till faith reaches you. So Mu'min can be a superior term than Submitters.

This is all arbitrary reasoning. The Qur'an calls us "muslims" because it's written in Arabic. If it was written in English, it would call us "submitters"... The same goes for "mumineen"/believers. These are descriptions for us, not titles. The word "Nasara" is used to describe those who followed the path that Jesus left for his followers (i.e. "Nazirites&quot. And I guess we could be called "ahl alkitaab", but this is too generalized; in most instances throughout the scriptures, it is talking about Jews and Nazirites, not submitters who follow the guidance of the Qur'an... If you're going to give yourself a title, make it a title that is understood by the people around you; this way, they won't have predisposed stereotypes about what "muslims" are suposed to be...

Peace,

Ahmad

jaimesss

Peace,
Respectfully.

We were called Muslims during the time of prophet Ibrahim.
Didn't he live like more then 8.000 years ago?
God knows best.
Glory be to our God.

Peace.

Hello, Very interesting.
"who" was "called" "muslim" at the "Time of Ibrahim" !?
Where could i "learn" that ??
Peace

jaimesss

What bigmo says is ok with me!

Whoso believes and works (does good deeds ) in the cause of salam, even as he is practicing it is indeed a muslim. On the contrary those who call themselves belonging to muslim community can never be muslims. Allah must acknowledge us as 'muslim' and increase us in our state of salam. When Allah chose one and the only Ibrahim from among the kufr community, that was a perfect example!

Now let us remember the ayah that says To whatever community you may belong Be it a mumin's, or christian's, or jew's community or sabians' (unknown communities of people ) whoso believes in the One God and fears the final judgment and do good, neither fear nor grief shall touch them. This is God given salam thus there are chosen muslims from the mankind like Ibrahim was chosen. A great Prophet was chosen from the kufr community and not from the so called 'muslim community.'
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Hello,
What is kufar ?
Who are the kufar ??
Peace

jaimesss

Within pagans one can be set against the other for they are not guided; if they were muslims shaitan Lawrence could not have done in what he had succeeded. A muslim will not be deviated from His straight path. Those who became servants and slaves were never muslims. Do you see anywhere in Quran that the muslims were made slaves? But the command of Allah is there never budge to the pressures; fight and die in righteousness as muslims; stand as firm as a steel fortress against the infidels. If you fail to do so then you have wronged yourselves; allah never let you down. To fortify your iman, turn to God seeking His help so that your iman is strengthened and you can be a mumin. You must have patience to stay as muslims; so seek patience from Allah so that you can be a muslim.

Hello,
Very interesting.. What is "iman" & "mumin" ?
And Where in the quran can we read "muslim" ?
Tank you
Peace
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jaimesss

Salaam,
Joseph was never a slave he was sold into slavery but, instead, was adopted.
peace

Hello & sorry,
I dont understand th? "point" !
Could we hav? "slave" ?
Thank you & peace

jaimesss

Peace,

What's with all the confusion? The Qur'an never specifies that Abraham used the Arabic word "muslim" to describe himself, and it never says the earlier followers during the days of Abraham were specifically called "muslimeen". There's not even any evidence that they spoke the Arabic language at all... In reality, they were called their language's equivalent of "muslimeen", just like the English rendition would be "submitters". That's why I prefer the word "submission" instead of "islam", and I prefer "submitter" instead of "muslim". And that's also why, based on the context, sectarian Sunni Moslems can be called "Muslims" without being "submitters". To them, "Islam" and "Muslim" are simply titles that identify your sectarian ideologies; they don't have anything to do what the Qur'an says or what religious practices you observe. Using the terms "submission" and "submitters", we convey the same message while still separating ourselves from the sectarian Muslims and their shirk beliefs...

Peace,

Ahmad

Hello,
Very interesting.
You "sounds" like ? "wise" person.
Could you tell me th? "mena ing" of "mu" "ahmad" & "shirk" in "arabic".
Thank you Very much & peace on "us"

Bigmo

Whats your point with all this postings?

jaimesss

Peace Bigmo,

Again, you're basing your perspective on labels and titles. Allah never deemed us dependent on titles and labels. We are simply submitters (Arabic "muslimeen&quot to God ALONE. This, based on our own language, is the best title we can give ourselves. Allah never said that all true submitters must speak the Arabic language; so why must we rely on an Arabic label? Most of the world doesn't even know what the words "muslim" and "islam" mean at all; they just view them as generic labels used to identify Arabs and terrorists, which is completely false. Sunni Moslems support this dogma by giving people so-called "muslim names". WHAT IS A MUSLIM NAME? -\ If we're going to identify ourselves to other people, we need to do so in our respective languages, so they'll at least know the meanings of what we're talking about, instead of being forced to jump to false conclusions. That's why I, as a person living in an English-speaking country, prefer the term "submission" and "submitter" to "islam" and "muslim"...

Peace,

Ahmad

Hello , sorry its me again..

"allah" could it al lah and hav? "meaning" as "the god", "the unique", "th? only One" !?

Thank you Very much

Peace

jaimesss

But you still have not answered the question how are we to be identified. Sooner or later people would simply make a name for us to distinguish us from others. Plus the Koran gave believers many names so why stick with Islam? Why not Nasara or Ahl Al-Kitab. Why not Mu'mins meaning believers. The Koran at one time told new followers to Muhammad to say you are Muslims but not believers till faith reaches you. So Mu'min can be a superior term than Submitters.

Hello,
So interesting.
Where could i read that !?

Mu'Min could be "superior" (term) than Mu,Slim ,,,???

Wait for your answer.

Peace

jaimesss

Mumin is believing in the God and God alone for all our needs, say, for cure from all diseases, freedom from the financial crunches forever and for peace in the social life until the life ends. If we believe in men and matters and materials then we are against being mumin. We are associating things and men with the unseen God.

Muslims are those who are endowed with the Grant of Grace and Forgiveness and final attainment of PEACE, the final and Greatest victory of all. So seek to be a muslim; never advance before allah and call yourself a muslim or a mumin.
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Oh yes, i lov? it. P?ace for all on Earth and "above". Bravo
Forgiveness & Peace

jaimesss

NO.

I follow only the Qur'an and worship God alone,
so i'm a muslim and Islam is my religion.

"O you who deny the truth...
I do not worship that which you worship,
and neither do you worship that which I worship.
Nor will I serve what you serve,
Nor will you serve what I serve.
To you is your religion, and to me is my religion."

That's it.

Hello,
Real l'y ... That is it !?
So Mu'Slim is only for th? last religion "islam" ?
This is it ??
Very interesting, could you help me ??? To understand (you)
Peace

jaimesss