Fasting in polar regions
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Peace Wakas,
peace Mucahit,
Please see the following thread
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2449
I think its clear that it is only for those who are able to witness the month.
Wakas
How do you understand 2183?
- O you who believe, fasting is decreed for YOU as it was decreed for those before YOU perhaps you may be righteous.
Does Allah specify that Abstinence is decreed fo only for those who are able to witness the month?
In the same way Does Allah specify that the salat at dawn and at dusk is decreed only for those who can observe the two end of the day and "dulook of the sun"?
If Ramadan means a season, we can obseve it whatever our geographic position.
Looking for your comment
Thanks
Peace
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dear brothers,
what is fasting and what is fasting time ?
Fasting means abastaining from food, and water during the period when you earn for your livelyhood and for provisions ignoring the glad tidings of Allah that He shall send you your provisions from HIM. He says If you are mumins,
51 22 In the heaven is your providence and that which ye are promised;
Normally we save these earnings for the the future thinking that the money will protect our future, thus associating the money with Allah when it comes to providence and life safety. It is a grave shirk, committed .
So atleast when you witness this truth from Allah - fast on such days and abstain from living with the shirk ( with the money ) that you have earned fear Allah and restrain from using it even for your sustenance ie., restrain using the money that you have earned during the day time even for your food and water.
Now comes the real meaning of the fasting time! Stay off from eating or drinking during the day time, the period of time when you earn money which you associate with Allah, for your protection and livelyhood.
So the fasting time is the " day time " when you begin and end your seeking of this worldly livelyhood. So also keep spending abundantly all the 'shirk'y money, during the time of fasting or during the time of earning so that you earn good will from your Lord and that He may Pardon you and reward you abundantly from HIM, only to make you self sufficient.
dr fazlur rahman.
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Peace be upon you,
Aw man, that is fantastic!!!
I need some time to ponder this. I really think you have brought it correctly.
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Peace be upon you Dr Fazl,
At this time I only have one disagreement which i will post in the thread you started so as not to disrupt the intention for this thread.
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peace sister Marie,
Does Allah specify that Abstinence is decreed fo only for those who are able to witness the month?
Yes, that is what 2185 implies. I see no other reason for The God to say "so who witnessed from you the month".
It is like if my manager says at a staff meeting to his workers "To those of you working/present on the 14th October, we will be closing early that day as its a holiday." This statement only affects those witnessing the 14th of October workday. For example, if someone has that day off, this statement is not applicable to them.In the same way Does Allah specify that the salat at dawn and at dusk is decreed only for those who can observe the two end of the day and "dulook of the sun"?
I haven't studied this specific aspect thoroughly. My current view is similar to yours, which I believe is that the regular/timed slw was only for the messenger. This makes sense when one considers how a messenger would deliver a revelation. Out of curiosity, is there any evidence suggesting this understanding is not correct?
Wakas
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Peace brother Wakas,
Thanks for your answer.
peace sister Marie,
Does Allah specify that Abstinence is decreed fo only for those who are able to witness the month?
Yes, that is what 2185 implies. I see no other reason for The God to say "so who witnessed from you the month".
It is like if my manager says at a staff meeting to his workers "To those of you working/present on the 14th October, we will be closing early that day as its a holiday." This statement only affects those witnessing the 14th of October workday. For example, if someone has that day off, this statement is not applicable to them.That seems to me illogical that siyam is not decreed all of us, 2183 is clear and I do believe we are concerned by this verse whatever our geographical position.
I understand 2185 differently, "so who witnessed from you the month" means that we can observe it at different time.
Allah knows best
Marie
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peace sister Marie,
I understand 2185 differently, "so who witnessed from you the month" means that we can observe it at different time.
I would say that is also one possibility, although perhaps not what leaps out when one reads the verse initially. I have not studied this topic thoroughly though.
You didn't answer my other question on slw
Out of curiosity, is there any evidence suggesting this understanding is not correct?
Wakas
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Peace brother wakas,
peace sister Marie,
I understand 2185 differently, "so who witnessed from you the month" means that we can observe it at different time.
I would say that is also one possibility, although perhaps not what leaps out when one reads the verse initially. I have not studied this topic thoroughly though.
This just my own understanding and surely not the alone possibility
You didn't answer my other question on slw
Out of curiosity, is there any evidence suggesting this understanding is not correct?
Wakas
Sorry, I don't unswer your question because I think you guessed it.
My current view is similar to yours, which I believe is that the regular/timed slw was only for the messenger. This makes sense when one considers how a messenger would deliver a revelation.
I always agree )
Allah asked us to study the quran and establish the salat (7320). We can do it day and night, all our life and not specially at dawn and dusk.
Marie
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Peace be upon you,
We have the SAME system(deen) as Noah, Ibraheem, and everyne else.
The God says "abstaining" is decreed on you as it was on those before you, so why would it not apply to us here?
Lastly, I cannot find a complete list of verse for "sawm", does anyone have that ?
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Peace be upon you Marie and all,
A frined of mine came over with a documentary from channel 12, as he knows i enjoy knew information. It was about the creation of the earth.
What I found out is that the north pole is not stationary although we are made to believe so. So I had to look this up on the net and here is an article I found.
http//ku-prism.org/polarscientist/hollowworld/Aug81897ChiHerald.htm
