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Wife Beating is a Therapy

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    farida
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    Peace Jonny_K,

    It seem you don't understand the difference between aggression and punishment. The verse doesn't say go and hit your wife because you can . It is a punishment for the woman for her "nushuz" IF she didn't take heed for the first 2 actions.
    Peace,

    Rami

    Salaam Rami,
    Or maybe it?s a punishment for a man who is full of rage to be asked to hold back and take 2 steps. Perhaps you have seen how men, when full of anger, trying to spare another person, start to hit the wall or whatever to take out their aggression and end up hurting themselves.

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      Peace Jonny_K,

      It seem you don't understand the difference between aggression and punishment. The verse doesn't say go and hit your wife because you can D. It is a punishment for the woman for her "nushuz" IF she didn't take heed for the first 2 actions. But why is a wife required to obey her husband you ask?! Because he paid her to pass his seed!! Did you know that marriage we know today is just a bogus fairytale from outer space. The man actually 'rents' the woman to pass his seed. This is called 'agr' or wage. You could aslo rent a woman to breastfeed your child. The only difference between prostitution and marriage is the waiting period the woman should wait untill she can marry another man so the seeds dont get intermixed which could be the real definition of Zina. Thats why God says that Zina is a bad path because it creates trouble later on.

      Peace,

      Rami

      Yes Johnny, you should really get the difference between aggression and punishment as well as prostitution and marriage !
      When a man hits a woman that is not his wife its aggression, if he hits the woman paid for receiving his seed (in this case wife not prostitute, please note the difference!) it can only be punishment...
      Funny thing is the prostitute also receives his seed but is paid only for his satisfaction
      Did you get the difference ? whatever

      peace still...lk

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        Samia
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        Where in the qur'aan do we have different punishments, for the same offense, based on gender?

        Usually the man wont be rebellious because he is one in authority Rami

        O yes! They do (if you ean by rebellious commit nushuuz)

        "And if a woman fears nushuuz of her husband "

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          Rami
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          Peace all,

          OK. First what does it mean 'If he/she fears nushuz' ?? Nushuz seems like something very bad not simply disobedience. Adultery maybe? Because nushuz being disobedience doesn't make any sense.

          Husband Wify, where is launch?
          Wife (delays a bit), OK hun, its coming up.
          Husband Hmm, Wify lagged, seems she is going to disobey me one day.
          Wife brings launch.
          Husband Come here baby.
          Wify comes close.
          Husband SPANKS her hard.
          Wife Why did you hit me? I didn't do anything!
          Husband JUST IN CASE.

          Peace,

          Rami

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            drfazl
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            Peace,

            24 2 shall have to be taken as the yard stick that whoever disobeys between wife and husband must be punished as severely as possible without mercy. Because man's threshold for pain is much better, to make the punishment even, the husband shall have to be thrashed harder and worse, if the husband disobeys. This is Quran.

            With
            Regards to both hubby and wify.

            .

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              Rami
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              Peace,

              24 2 shall have to be taken as the yard stick that whoever disobeys between wife and husband must be punished as severely as possible without mercy. Because man's threshold for pain is much better, to make the punishment even, the husband shall have to be thrashed harder and worse, if the husband disobeys. This is Quran.

              With
              Regards to both hubby and wify.

              .

              This is applicable when adultery is confirmed. But if you fear nushuz from your wife, you go through the checklist. And no Doc, quite the reverse, a woman's threshold for pain is better. Now this is The Quran.

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                farida
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                Peace all,

                OK. First what does it mean 'If he/she fears nushuz' ?? Nushuz seems like something very bad not simply disobedience. Adultery maybe? Because nushuz being disobedience doesn't make any sense.

                Husband Wify, where is launch?
                Wife (delays a bit), OK hun, its coming up.
                Husband Hmm, Wify lagged, seems she is going to disobey me one day.
                Wife brings launch.
                Husband Come here baby.
                Wify comes close.
                Husband SPANKS her hard.
                Wife Why did you hit me? I didn't do anything!
                Husband JUST IN CASE.

                Peace,

                Rami

                Salaam
                How about this
                Mother Son today your wife was out and about as soon as you left the house and I saw her going out with a man in the side road behind houses and then I don?t know where she disappeared for one hour.
                Husband to his wife Where did you go today?
                Wife No we just went out shopping.
                Husband And who was the man with you?
                Wife Which man?
                Husband; The one you were chatting with and went behind the houses with?
                Wife I was chatting with no man.
                Husband My mother told me she saw you with a man.
                Wife Your mother is always spying on me coming up with lies.
                Husband How dare you call my mother a liar
                Wife She?s been telling so many lies about me and you only trust what she says. I can?t even tell you what a nasty women she is; always looking to make stories out of nothing.
                Husband Bang!!!! How dare you call my mother nasty?! She is my mother and you answer back and you go out with other men!
                Wife; You had no right to do that to me
                Bang Husband Are you telling me you know more than all the Imams.

                There is Knock on the door. A neighbour comes to thank the wife for helping her husband, who suffers from dementia, to get home safely.

                Now in this case, 'If he/she fears nushuz'
                Is it the husband who fears he may break the boundaries that he may not be able to keep his temper in control or his temper in obedience? hmm

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                  farida
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                  The man actually 'rents' the woman to pass his seed. This is called 'agr' or wage. You could aslo rent a woman to breastfeed your child.
                  Peace,

                  Rami

                  Salaam
                  Since a husbands rents a womb and as long as his seed has been fertilizes he should not expect any thing else from a wife.
                  And what happens where the wife is barren? hmm

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                    Rami
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                    Salaam
                    Since a husbands rents a womb and as long as his seed has been fertilizes he should not expect any thing else from a wife.
                    And what happens where the wife is barren? hmm

                    Yeah, it seems the wage is for pleasure. Passing seeds is purely Torah D

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                      Salaam
                      Since a husbands rents a womb and as long as his seed has been fertilizes he should not expect any thing else from a wife.
                      And what happens where the wife is barren? hmm

                      And what happens when we have a squatter? elektro

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                        farida
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                        And what happens when we have a squatter? elektro

                        OR Squatters!! group

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                          farida
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                          Yeah, it seems the wage is for pleasure. Passing seeds is purely Torah D

                          In that case a prostitute is much better off, no obligation just pay for pleasure and off she goes her way. tempt

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                            Rami
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                            In that case a prostitute is much better off, no obligation just pay for pleasure and off she goes her way. tempt

                            No if she sleep with another man before the waiting period passes, this is Zina and deserves punishment. Plus the man should care for her all that period.

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                              farida
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                              No if she sleep with another man before the waiting period passes, this is Zina and deserves punishment. Plus the man should care for her all that period.

                              So she can complete her waiting period and be more free than a wife? tempt

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                                Rami
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                                So she can complete her waiting period and be more free than a wife? tempt

                                Once the waiting period is over, she can go and marry anyone. Marriage without intercourse requires no waiting period to break, so Zina is adultery on the woman's side only (polygamy is permitted).

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                                  farida
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                                  Once the waiting period is over, she can go and marry anyone. Marriage without intercourse requires no waiting period to break, so Zina is adultery on the woman's side only (polygamy is permitted).

                                  Why should a woman enter into marriage only to be beaten up since she is for rent? Why not take the easy way out of all the hassle and obligations to obey?
                                  Btw., since you are answering my posts, maybe it would be helpful if you could take a look at my reply N0 31.

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                                    Rami
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                                    Why should a woman enter into marriage only to be beaten up since she is for rent? Why not take the easy way out of all the hassle and obligations to obey?
                                    Btw., since you are answering my posts, maybe it would be helpful if you could take a look at my reply N0 31.

                                    She doesn't have to marry if she refuses to. And why da heck will she undergo 'nushuz' and insist on it. Regarding reply 31, the man in your example didn't take the steps before he spanked her.(reminds me of the viscious guy in my avatar)

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                                      farida
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                                      She doesn't have to marry if she refuses to. And why da heck will she undergo 'nushuz' and insist on it.

                                      Undergo Nushuz who, the husband or the wife?

                                      Regarding reply 31, the man in your example didn't take the steps before he spanked her.(reminds me of the viscious guy in my avatar) D

                                      Nor did the husband in your reply no 28 P, which goes to show that husbands don?t really understand the relevance of 'nushuz' ie fear of temper crossing its limit and important instructions to curb it.
                                      peace

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                                        Rami
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                                        Undergo Nushuz who, the husband or the wife?Nor did the husband in your reply no 28 , which goes to show that husbands dont really understand the relevance of 'nushuz' ie fear of temper crossing its limit and important instructions to curb it.
                                        peace

                                        Both should respect the marriage. I still cant get this nushuz business. What will a human do in a marriage to be called 'nashez' ? how can you know that nushuz is coming to fear it and act?

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                                          farida
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                                          Both should respect the marriage. I still cant get this nushuz business. What will a human do in a marriage to be called 'nashez' ? how can you know that nushuz is coming to fear it and act?

                                          Yes! Both should recognise their respective roles and respect each other as equal partners but different in character.

                                          Once we understand exact relevance of nashez' only then we would understand this passage of the Qur?an properly..
                                          peace

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