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    Hope
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    Peace

    he read some verses of the Koran on me and then gave some water with Koranic verses read on it.

    Sunni sheiks also do that, and they make fortune selling this holy water.

    He also gave me some zikr I should do everyday for 5 days.

    Why 5 ? why not 4 or 6?

    What do you think about that?

    1856 And they took My revelations and what they have been warned by as a joke!

    Does it really work?

    I believe it doesn't nope

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      Peace
      Sunni sheiks also do that, and they make fortune selling this holy water.
      Why 5 ? why not 4 or 6?

      1856 And they took My revelations and what they have been warned by as a joke!

      I believe it doesn't nope

      So how do you interpret these verses

      2.248 And (further) their Prophet said to them "A Sign of his authority is that there shall come to you the Ark of the covenant, with (an assurance) therein of security from your Lord, and the relics left by the family of Moses and the family of Aaron, carried by angels. In this is a symbol for you if ye indeed have faith."

      12-93. "Go with this my shirt, and cast it over the face of my father he will come to see (clearly). Then come ye (here) to me together with all your family."

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        Hope
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        Peace Bigmo

        I don't see clear connection between these verses and that assumed holywater or doing zikr specific times per day. if you do see a connection, i'll be glad to know it. Till then i will stick to this vesre

        1736 And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, all these you are responsible for.

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          My mother told me to meet this sufi sheikh and he read some verses of the Koran on me and then gave some water with Koranic verses read on it. He also gave me some zikr I should do everyday for 5 days.

          What do you think about that? Does it really work?

          These things have the power of suggestion only. Go to http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suggestion to read a bit about suggestion.

          Your sheikh can't do anything. Your sheikh's power is as real as angels, magic, jinns and miracles, in other words, his power doesn't exist.

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            So how do you interpret these verses

            2.248 And (further) their Prophet said to them "A Sign of his authority is that there shall come to you the Ark of the covenant, with (an assurance) therein of security from your Lord, and the relics left by the family of Moses and the family of Aaron, carried by angels. In this is a symbol for you if ye indeed have faith."

            12-93. "Go with this my shirt, and cast it over the face of my father he will come to see (clearly). Then come ye (here) to me together with all your family."

            Peace,

            I do not agree with those translations of those verses. Muhammad Ali's commentary does the explaining for me

            248a. The t?bt mentioned here has given rise to a number of stories, because of its
            twofold significance. It means a chest or a box, and it also signifies the bosom or the
            heart (LL). Taking the first significance, the reference is said to be to the ark, to which,
            however, it is objected that the ark was restored to the Israelites long before the time of
            Saul. But we cannot be so certain of the Bible narrative as to reject as untrue everything
            differing from it. I prefer, however, the latter significance, and the use of the word in
            that sense is well known. LL quotes the proverb, m? audatu t?bt? shai-an faqadtu-h,
            i.e., I have not deposited in my bosom anything of knowledge that I have lost. R also
            says that t?bt denotes qalb or the heart, and he quotes Umar as speaking of IMsd, a
            vessel filled up with knowledge, referring evidently to the heart. That the word is used
            in the Holy Qur?n in this sense is clear from the description of it that follows.
            Tranquillity from the Lord is not a thing which is placed in boxes, but the heart is its real
            repository. On five other occasions the coming down of sak?nah, or tranquillity, is
            mentioned in the Holy Qur?n, and every time it is the heart of the Prophet or the
            faithful that is the recipient of it. For instance in 484 it is said He it is Who sent down
            tranquillity into the hearts of the believers that they might add faith to their faith.
            According to LA, sak?nah means also mercy; and he quotes a saying of the Prophet
            There came down upon them mercy (Ar. sak?nah), the angels bearing it.
            By the coming of the heart in which there is tranquillity is meant the change
            which came over Saul when he was made king And it was so, that when he had turned
            his back to go from Samuel, God gave him another heart (1 Sam. 109). This exactly
            corresponds with the statement made in the Qur?n. And further it is said And the
            Spirit of God came upon him and he prophesied (1 Sam. 1010). This is no doubt the
            best of what the true followers of Moses and Aaron left.

            248b. The word baqiyyah means both a residue and excellence or the best of a thing
            (LL). You say baqiyyat al-qaum meaning the best of the people (LL). Ul baqiyyat-in in
            the Holy Qur?n (11116) means persons possessed of excellence. And baqiyyat-All?h
            (1186) signifies obedience, or the state of goodness that remains. Hence baqiyyah in
            either sense signifies the blessings of the earlier days. And thus it became a proverb
            among the Israelites Is Saul also among the prophets? (1 Sam. 1012).

            93a. Basir means one who sees things with the eyes, as well as one endowed with
            mental perception or one knowing (LL). The Qur?n does not say anywhere that Jacob
            had become blind. The shirt was sent as being a reminder of the torn shirt of Joseph,
            which Josephs brethren had brought to Jacob (v. 1.

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              Peace,

              I do not agree with those translations of those verses. Muhammad Ali's commentary does the explaining for me

              248a. The t?bt mentioned here has given rise to a number of stories, because of its
              twofold significance. It means a chest or a box, and it also signifies the bosom or the
              heart (LL). Taking the first significance, the reference is said to be to the ark, to which,
              however, it is objected that the ark was restored to the Israelites long before the time of
              Saul. But we cannot be so certain of the Bible narrative as to reject as untrue everything
              differing from it. I prefer, however, the latter significance, and the use of the word in
              that sense is well known. LL quotes the proverb, m? auda?tu t?bt? shai-an faqadtu-h,
              i.e., I have not deposited in my bosom anything of knowledge that I have lost. R also
              says that t?bt denotes qalb or the heart, and he quotes ?Umar as speaking of IMsd, ?a
              vessel filled up with knowledge,? referring evidently to the heart. That the word is used
              in the Holy Qur??n in this sense is clear from the description of it that follows.
              Tranquillity from the Lord is not a thing which is placed in boxes, but the heart is its real
              repository. On five other occasions the coming down of sak?nah, or tranquillity, is
              mentioned in the Holy Qur??n, and every time it is the heart of the Prophet or the
              faithful that is the recipient of it. For instance in 484 it is said ?He it is Who sent down
              tranquillity into the hearts of the believers that they might add faith to their faith?.
              According to LA, sak?nah means also mercy; and he quotes a saying of the Prophet
              ?There came down upon them mercy (Ar. sak?nah), the angels bearing it.?
              By the coming of ?the heart in which there is tranquillity? is meant the change
              which came over Saul when he was made king ?And it was so, that when he had turned
              his back to go from Samuel, God gave him another heart? (1 Sam. 109). This exactly
              corresponds with the statement made in the Qur??n. And further it is said ?And the
              Spirit of God came upon him and he prophesied? (1 Sam. 1010). This is no doubt the
              best of what the true followers of Moses and Aaron left.

              248b. The word baqiyyah means both a residue and excellence or the best of a thing
              (LL). You say baqiyyat al-qaum meaning the best of the people (LL). Ul baqiyyat-in in
              the Holy Qur??n (11116) means persons possessed of excellence. And baqiyyat-All?h
              (1186) signifies obedience, or the state of goodness that remains. Hence baqiyyah in
              either sense signifies the blessings of the earlier days. And thus it became a proverb
              among the Israelites ?Is Saul also among the prophets?? (1 Sam. 1012).

              93a. Basir means one who sees things with the eyes, as well as one endowed with
              mental perception or one knowing (LL). The Qur??n does not say anywhere that Jacob
              had become blind. The shirt was sent as being a reminder of the torn shirt of Joseph,
              which Joseph?s brethren had brought to Jacob (v. 1.

              Your interpretation of Joseph's shirt makes sense but I am still confused about your interpretation of the relics mentioned. What were the angels carrying?

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