Islam's view on Marijuana
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Ok... did you even read the last post? Are you paying attention? I gave you MULTIPLE examples of natural God given substances which cloud the intellect Opium, Cocaine, and all the alcoholic drinks for example. This has nothing to do with the "naturalness" of substances.
you dont understand that cocain and opium are not God given substances. God gave coca bush. And man makes from it cocain.
God gave poppy and man makes from it opium. And later they make from opium heroin. -
my point is that plants are ok. cocain, heroin and alcohol are not plants. cannabis is a plant.
there are plants with psyhchoactive compound called Ibogaine which have a good ?eyeopener? effect. Ibogaine makes people understand that they should leave behind heroin, cocain, alcohol and tobacco addictions.
see introduction video
http//video.yahoo.com/watch/640900/3000389
see introduction movie
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my point is that plants are ok. cocain, heroin and alcohol are not plants. cannabis is a plant.
So according to your argument it is okay to eat all of the poisonous plants out there? Just because they are "plants"? (lol) Your entire argument is based on the fact that just because cannabis is a plant, it is okay and allowed by God? When God has made all the good AND all the evil, and has forbidden us the evil things for a reason, because their harm is greater then their benefit.
there are plants with psyhchoactive compound called Ibogaine which have a good ?eyeopener? effect. Ibogaine makes people understand that they should leave behind heroin, cocain, alcohol and tobacco addictions.
see introduction video
http//video.yahoo.com/watch/640900/3000389
see introduction movie
http//www.lunartproductions.com/Any genuine "eyeopener" effect is given by God, not the plant. And He is able to open or close anyone's eyes at will. It has nothing to do with the drugs.
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So according to your argument it is okay to eat all of the poisonous plants out there? Just because they are "plants"? (lol) Your entire argument is based on the fact that just because cannabis is a plant, it is okay and allowed by God? When God has made all the good AND all the evil, and has forbidden us the evil things for a reason, because their harm is greater then their benefit.
i didnt say that its ok to eat all plants.
what I say is that when stimulating your brain, choose natural God given plants over manmade substances.
obviously!Any genuine "eyeopener" effect is given by God, not the plant. And He is able to open or close anyone's eyes at will.
ofcourse. (but this was very simplified statement.)my point with you is that if you mixed chemical narcotics and cannabis together, then you are not in a position to have a clear view on cannabis. your opinion goes to the mind alerting mix. and ofcourse, this mix cant be same as only cannabis.
its same with persons who drink alcohol and smoke cannabis together. i talked with such person yesterday. not nice. also. -
my point with you is that if you mixed chemical narcotics and cannabis together, then you are not in a position to have a clear view on cannabis. your opinion goes to the mind alerting mix. and ofcourse, this mix cant be same as only cannabis.
its same with persons who drink alcohol and smoke cannabis together. i talked with such person yesterday. not nice. also.and its the same as to read the (God given) quran and follow (manmade) sunnah at the same time. then reject islam and say its all BS.
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i didnt say that its ok to eat all plants.
what I say is that when stimulating your brain, choose natural God given plants over manmade substances.
obviously!
ofcourse. (but this was very simplified statement.)But I already gave you the example of Opium, which has no other substances added. Nor do alcoholic beverages add any chemicals in the brewing proccess. They are made completely naturally. These examples have already nullified your whole argument bro.
and its the same as to read the (God given) quran and follow (manmade) sunnah at the same time. then reject islam and say its all BS.
The problem for you isn't the Sunnah, the Quran itself rejects cannabis as it fits into the definition of khamr. It clouds the intellect and this is a fact. In Canada you are not allowed to drive under its influence, did you know that? It is illegal to do so because of its impairing effects.
my point with you is that if you mixed chemical narcotics and cannabis together, then you are not in a position to have a clear view on cannabis. your opinion goes to the mind alerting mix. and ofcourse, this mix cant be same as only cannabis.
its same with persons who drink alcohol and smoke cannabis together. i talked with such person yesterday. not nice. also.Actually, I am in a better position then you. I used it in the past, but I am no longer dependent on it, so my view is not biased, like yours.
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UNION - its a movie which tells you all you need to know about cannabis.
http//video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9077214414651731007&ei=eja6SdS5BIPg
Already first 4 minutes says much important things.
Cannabis was the biggest crop in the world, before it got criminalised 100 years ago, in wrong reasons, mostly because of greed. It has been legal for hundreds and thousands of years in the past. -
Cannabis was the biggest crop in the world, before it got criminalised 100 years ago, in wrong reasons, mostly because of greed. It has been legal for hundreds and thousands of years in the past.
I know about the (fake) political drug war, and I don't support it. I am not defending the actions of the governments, because I know they are a political stunt. My argument has nothing to do with politics. You have to prove that weed is not included in the definition of khamr, and until you do, you have no case.
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I know about the (fake) political drug war, and I don't support it. I am not defending the actions of the governments, because I know they are a political stunt. My argument has nothing to do with politics. You have to prove that weed is not included in the definition of khamr, and until you do, you have no case.
you know, i didnt argue with you, when i posted my last post. its a information for those who dont know, not to you specially. dont take everything personally.to get heroin from opium, you have to add to opium some substances.
for example if you add some wierd substances to gasoline, would you consume the result as a drug?
normal people don?t and won?t. and they don?t consume opium either. but some people consume opium+something = heroin.
you cant make heroin from natural plant. its like plastic, made from petroleum, normal people just dont consume it!Actually, I am in a better position then you. I used it in the past, but I am no longer dependent on it, so my view is not biased, like yours.
i dont know you, bro. i know you used chemicals. this puts you to a position to talk about chemicals.
you propably consumed LSD. there are God given mushrooms, many kind of them. they give you alsmost the same trip as LSD but they are clean. clean because they are in balance. thy have psychoactive substances and also balancing substances. LSD have only psychoacyive substances. as i sayd before. you can (and should) but your trust in God (as the quran telles you to) but you should not put your trust in chemicists.those who read the quran and hadits dont know what is pure quran-based islam. they only know what is the quran + hadits.
you did cannabis and also manmade substances, so you dont know what is the pure cannabis. you only know what is cannabis + synthetically maniplulated materials. this position is not comparable with someone who has s/he?s trust in God (and God given provisions) alone. -
you know, i didnt argue with you, when i posted my last post. its a information for those who dont know, not to you specially. dont take everything personally.
whose taking what personally? (lol)
to get heroin from opium, you have to add to opium some substances.
for example if you add some wierd substances to gasoline, would you consume the result as a drug?
normal people don?t and won?t. and they don?t consume opium either. but some people consume opium+something = heroin.
you cant make heroin from natural plant. its like plastic, made from petroleum, normal people just dont consume it!Bro Opium is a drug by itself. The whole Chinese nation was addicted to it at one time. Heroin is a purified version of opium, but opium is totally natural.
i dont know you, bro. i know you used chemicals. this puts you to a position to talk about chemicals.
you propably consumed LSD. there are God given mushrooms, many kind of them. they give you alsmost the same trip as LSD but they are clean. clean because they are in balance. thy have psychoactive substances and also balancing substances. LSD have only psychoacyive substances. as i sayd before. you can (and should) but your trust in God (as the quran telles you to) but you should not put your trust in chemicists.I have consumed shrooms many times, and they are no more "clean" then LSD. This is just more evidence against your argument. There might be differences, but you can not claim that one is khamr, and the other is not.
those who read the quran and hadits dont know what is pure quran-based islam. they only know what is the quran + hadits.
you did cannabis and also manmade substances, so you dont know what is the pure cannabis. you only know what is cannabis + synthetically maniplulated materials. this position is not comparable with someone who has s/he?s trust in God (and God given provisions) alone.Dude, please stay on topic. Were talking about the status of these drugs with regards to the Quran, nothing else. And you have to prove that these natural substances are not khamr, when I am telling you that they are.
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you have to prove that these natural substances are not khamr, when I am telling you that they are.
i have proved to myself. and i have proved here.
its you who say, ?hei i am a longtime addict i know?. i just say that your statements are nothing more than ?follow me, i know?. but you dont come with evidences.peace
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and i have proved here.
No you haven't. Opium is a naturally occurring plant that is very addictive and obviously destroys the intellect, so it is khamr. So your argument that just because Cannabis is a natural plant it is not khamr has been effectively countered, and for this you have not even provided any response. You just ignored it as if this point doesn't exist. (In a debate, this is considered a defeat, by the way)
its you who say, ?hei i am a longtime addict i know?.
I "was"... Unlike you who (I am sure) is still dependent on pot, which is why your judgment on this issue is... clouded. (pun intended)
i just say that your statements are nothing more than ?follow me, i know?. but you dont come with evidences.
Excuse me, but I did NOT just tell you "hey take my word for it, I know more then you" I gave you arguments which have still not been able to answer.
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opium is not a plant.
what i cant prove, is that cannabis have viel lifting properties.
and you cant prove otherwise.
i can bring many arguments from many religions to back me up.
only hard evidence what i have, is that God gave all fruits to us as gifts. in every plant there are benefits. it?s so even if some people misuse some plants.
i have also statistics, that show that most cannabis users, find it very beneficial for them in many ways. people heal and so on. but there are also some people who may have negative effects. forexample 1 out of 5000 may get scisofrenic. maybe this one was you?i can say, it works for me, and you can say it didnt for you.
and i believe you. when you mixed different drugs you didnt like the outcome - logish.
you dont believe me. and its ok too.
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opium is not a plant.
Dude Opium is the direct EXTRACT of the poppy plant without any processing or added chemicals. It is no different then the THC in your pot, its what gets you high. Also, take the example of the magic mushrooms which are not-processed in any way but produce the same effects as LSD.
what i cant prove, is that cannabis have viel lifting properties.
and you cant prove otherwise.Yes I can. In a recent study they found that marijuana use causes the part of your brain which deals with fear to shrink in size, which basically means that they are less able to deal with stressful situations because they are less able to handle pressure. Now the proccess of "lifting the veil" causes a person to gain freedom from all fear, of everything besides God. This is a direct contradiction with effects of marijuana use. Why do you think marijuana users are usually more paranoid? You think that is just a funny coincidence?
i can bring many arguments from many religions to back me up.
only hard evidence what i have, is that God gave all fruits to us as gifts.Since when is cannabis a "fruit"? (lol)
in every plant there are benefits.
Of course, but the definition of khamr is exactly that its harm is MORE then its benefit.
1 out of 5000 may get scisofrenic. maybe this one was you?
Personal insults aren't gonna help you here bud, you're already in quick sand. (btw, it is spelled "schizophrenic"
i can say, it works for me, and you can say it didnt for you.
(lol) so now your claiming that your "veil has been lifted" eh??? (and I am the schizo here? haha)
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Any form of addiction is Haram. if you are not addicted to something it is fine, drinking alcohol for example leads to other bad things and it has been stated do not apparoach prayers when you are intoxicated because you will not be able to utter your prayers properly. Life my children is not that difficult, just know your set limits and all will be fine, do not indulge to much into trying to solve these issues, they will turn your mind to putty, therefore just know your set limits and boundaries.
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Dude Opium is the direct EXTRACT of the poppy plant without any processing or added chemicals. It is no different then the THC in your pot, its what gets you high. Also, take the example of the magic mushrooms which are not-processed in any way but produce the same effects as LSD.
THC is not a plant also.Yes I can. In a recent study they found that marijuana use causes the part of your brain which deals with fear to shrink in size, which basically means that they are less able to deal with stressful situations because they are less able to handle pressure.
how do you see, shrinking the size of something what couses fear to be a bad thing? if this part of your brain would grow, this would sound bad.
I see that cannabis makes people relaxed, happy and peaceful. its normal, that when you are in those states you dont panic and are not affraid.Now the proccess of "lifting the veil" causes a person to gain freedom from all fear, of everything besides God. This is a direct contradiction with effects of marijuana use. Why do you think marijuana users are usually more paranoid? You think that is just a funny coincidence?
not all cannabis users are paranoid. pretty much the only thing that makes cannabis users paranoid, is the fact that cannabis is illegal. police
i couldnt say, that cannabis makes me paranoid. how could i, if i clearly understand that onlyone to fear is God? but yes i know also that some people may get paranoid.Since when is cannabis a "fruit"? (lol)
if cannabis bud is not cannabis plants fruit, then what is it?the definition of khamr is exactly that its harm is MORE then its benefit.
you have to help me out here, from where did this defination come? or what means khamr, same as intoxicant? if so, then i already provided the meaning at the beginning.Personal insults aren't gonna help you here bud, you're already in quick sand.
sorry if you feel insulted. i didnt mean to insult you. but i dont know you, its a public forum, you never know if you meet this one out of 5000.what is your point anyway? do you wanna say that muslims should not use cannabis?
cannabis as a plant have been nominated to number one healing herb on the planet. both - by ancients healers as well as many nowadays sientists. type to your internet search engine "medical marijuana" and see for yourself which are the benefits. btw - any statistics you find in internet will show you that there is no deaths (or one or two deaths through history) related to cannabisuse.
forexample, there are thousands of deaths over the world in a year with aspirin alone. but cannabis is more efficient painkiller, without death possibility. do you say a muslim should eat aspirin instead of cannabis?666
Any form of addiction is Haram.
show me the aya.
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THC is not a plant also.
Dude, THC is the chemical compound in weed which gets you high.... Opium is the extract of the poppy plant, totally natural. So your argument (again) is proven defective. Because you can not claim that just because weed/thc is a plant it is not khamr, because opium is totally natural and obviously khamr.
how do you see, shrinking the size of something what couses fear to be a bad thing? if this part of your brain would grow, this would sound bad.
Okay, that... makes no sense. The study proved that long term use of marijuana was toxic to parts of the brain, therefore they shrank! (i.e. became less effective in handling emotions)
what is your point anyway? do you wanna say that muslims should not use cannabis?
... it took you this long to figure that out???
cannabis as a plant have been nominated to number one healing herb on the planet. both - by ancients healers as well as many nowadays sientists. type to your internet search engine "medical marijuana" and see for yourself which are the benefits. btw - any statistics you find in internet will show you that there is no deaths (or one or two deaths through history) related to cannabisuse.
forexample, there are thousands of deaths over the world in a year with aspirin alone. but cannabis is more efficient painkiller, without death possibility. do you say a muslim should eat aspirin instead of cannabis?I never denied the medicinal properties of marijuana, but that is for people who have CANCER or other severe pain and ailments. People in those states are also allowed morphine. You think that morphine is not khamr?
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Dude, THC is the chemical compound in weed which gets you high.... Opium is the extract of the poppy plant, totally natural. So your argument (again) is proven defective. Because you can not claim that just because weed/thc is a plant it is not khamr, because opium is totally natural and obviously khamr.
I know what is what. You had some mistakes here, when you sayd "Opium is a naturally occurring plant"
Okay, that... makes no sense. The study proved that long term use of marijuana was toxic to parts of the brain, therefore they shrank! (i.e. became less effective in handling emotions)
I have no reason to believe what you are saying. In history there have been so many fake studies about cannabis which have shown so many bad things. However, all studies, made later, have proved otherwise. If you want to maks some point here, show us the studie.I never denied the medicinal properties of marijuana, but that is for people who have CANCER or other severe pain and ailments. People in those states are also allowed morphine. You think that morphine is not khamr?
do you know that cannabis also have preventive properties?
there are not much substances (natural or not) which are absolutely ok for human. all have some sideeffects which someone might say are not good for you. forexample, there are much more deaths with peanuts allergies than scisophrenia occuring with cannabis. would you like to prohibit peanuts?
and i dont even want to start the same subject with food you buy from your supermarket. one foodbasket is propably hundreds of times more harmful than a year full of smoking cannabis.... it took you this long to figure that out???
so you would prohibit cannabis...
1059 Say ?Have you seen what God has sent down to you from provisions, then you made some of it forbidden and some lawful?? Say ?Did God authorize you, or did you invent lies against God??
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I know what is what. You had some mistakes here, when you sayd "Opium is a naturally occurring plant"
Opium is the extract of a plant. Happy? Its still just as destructive to your argument.
If you want to maks some point here, show us the studie.
http//www.webmd.com/brain/news/20080602/marijuana-use-may-shrink-the-brain
"Researchers found that the hippocampus, which is thought to regulate memory, was an average of 12% smaller among marijuana users, compared with people who didn't smoke pot. The amygdala, involved in emotion and memory, was an average of 7% smaller."
"The results showed men who smoked pot regularly had significantly lower brain tissue volumes in the hippocampus and amygdala areas, as well as more symptoms of mental disorders.
Researchers say marijuana users also performed significantly worse on the verbal learning test, but these differences did not correlate with brain volumes in either group."
Go to google and type "marijuana + brain + shrink" and you will get a huge ammount of results on this.
do you know that cannabis also have preventive properties?
So does wine. Are you now going to argue for its permissability as well?
there are not much substances (natural or not) which are absolutely ok for human. all have some sideeffects which someone might say are not good for you. forexample, there are much more deaths with peanuts allergies than scisophrenia occuring with cannabis. would you like to prohibit peanuts?
Invalid argument. Long term marijuana use is bad for every user, while peanuts are only bad for those who are allergic to them.
and i dont even want to start the same subject with food you buy from your supermarket. one foodbasket is propably hundreds of times more harmful than a year full of smoking cannabis.
Tell that to the pot heads munching down on Mcdonalds fries at 3AM.
1059 Say ?Have you seen what God has sent down to you from provisions, then you made some of it forbidden and some lawful?? Say ?Did God authorize you, or did you invent lies against God??
This verse is more applicable to you allowing things which are clearly forbidden. Especially since you have so far failed to make a case of how cannabis is not khamr.
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http//www.webmd.com/brain/news/20080602/marijuana-use-may-shrink-the-brain
In the study, researchers used high-resolution magnetic resonance imaging to compare the brain structure of 15 men who smoked more than five joints of marijuana daily for more than 10 years with images from 16 men who did not smoke pot.
study with 31 people is not much of a study.
5 joints daily for 10 years D
I think the reason why there were only 31 people in this study, is that they couldnt find more than 15 people, who smoke so much cannabis, for so long, daily...have i already mentioned that very important with this issue is the balance? your example is totally out of balance.
so says the article too
"Although modest use may not lead to significant neurotoxic effects, these results suggest that heavy daily use might indeed be toxic to human brain tissue."
too much of whatever is not good to health.
Invalid argument. Long term marijuana use is bad for every user, while peanuts are only bad for those who are allergic to them.
invalid and unprovable statement @ every user. you have to agree that marijuana is beneficial to medical marijuana patients.This verse is more applicable to you allowing things which are clearly forbidden.
6151 Say ?Come let me recite for you what your Lord has forbidden for you ...
Sorry to say, mate, cannabis was not in the list.