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4 witnesses can be 4 sources of circumstantial evidence? and another thing

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    farida
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    1. 4127 They ask your legal instruction concerning wmen. Say God instructs you in what concerns them and what's recited unto you in the book concerning
      -mothers with orphans whom you want to mary yet you do not want to pay them what's due to them
      -vulenrable children
      -orphans
      All these three categories are under the title "women".

    I would say "the vulnerable", "the dependants"...

    Verse 654 the context (maheed) shows it means "women"

    I do not know a difference between allaa'ii and allaati or even allawtii

    Salaam
    Today I watched very interesting programme on BBC1 "The Hottest Place on Earth" The first of two programmes exploring the Danakil desert in northern Ethiopia, investigating the geology of the area and meeting the people and animals who can survive in the extraordinary environment.
    ) And the tough life of the Afar woman, who appear very happy doing all the work whereas the men sit around and drink tea eat
    I look forward to the next episode to find out who is actually "the rijal" there, as the tribe appears to be from the Muslim community.
    peace

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      Samia
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      Homosexuality has distintly been mentioned and with regard to this it has been said that no nation did it earlier than the people of Lut.

      No homosexuality has been distinctly or explicitly mentioned. This part fo the verse is mstakenly understood to mean "men instead of women". As I commented in a previous post, if we were to uderstand it as such, it would have been .... (males instead of females). The verse that says supports this meaning, unless all the people of Lut were males, which is not true.

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        Yes it is quite evident. Sexual lust has many dimensions, and ordinarily it reflects two sexes. Homosexuality has distintly been mentioned and with regard to this it has been said that no nation did it earlier than the people of Lut.

        3912
        And I was commanded to that I be first the submitters

        Is the above statement literal or figure of speech?

        Likewise

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          Mazhar
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          No homosexuality has been distinctly or explicitly mentioned. This part fo the verse is mstakenly understood to mean "men instead of women". As I commented in a previous post, if we were to uderstand it as such, it would have been .... (males instead of females). The verse that says supports this meaning, unless all the people of Lut were males, which is not true.

          It would change the fact reported. If the proposed words were there then it would also mean child abuse. is absolutely distinct from .
          Peculiar had not been done earlier generations.

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            No homosexuality has been distinctly or explicitly mentioned. This part fo the verse is mstakenly understood to mean "men instead of women". As I commented in a previous post, if we were to uderstand it as such, it would have been .... (males instead of females). The verse that says supports this meaning, unless all the people of Lut were males, which is not true.

            It would change the fact reported. If the proposed words were there then it would also mean child abuse. is absolutely distinct from .
            Peculiar had not been done earlier generations.

            26165 ?Do you approach the males of the worlds??
            26166 ?And you leave what your Lord has created for you of mates? You are an intrusive people!?

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              Samia
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              26165 ?Do you approach the males of the worlds??
              26166 ?And you leave what your Lord has created for you of mates? You are an intrusive people!?

              Thank you Tlepsh.
              This is quite interesting! It confirms homosexuality, yet it does not answer the question what about the women? What was their sin? nless there'sa difference between "thukraan" and "thukuur", both used in the qur'aan, each twice!

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                Thank you Tlepsh.
                This is quite interesting! It confirms homosexuality, yet it does not answer the question what about the women? What was their sin? nless there'sa difference between "thukraan" and "thukuur", both used in the qur'aan, each twice!

                Peace Samia,

                The verses that are about Lot?s people in Al-quran are as follows

                779 to 85
                1169 to 84
                15 51 to 77
                26 160 to 174
                29 28 to 35
                37 133 to 139
                51 30 to 38
                54 32 to 39
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                26165 ?Do you approach the males of the worlds??

                males of the worlds ( &#1614 This shows that people of Lot were attacking to other people; the people around them or any other people bypassing their land.

                26166 ?And you leave what your Lord has created for you of mates (&#1605? You are an intrusive people!?

                Azwaj (mates) are both males and females, including Lot? wife.

                Thukraan and thukuur are used to mean males in the following verses.

                4249 To God is the sovereignty of the heavens and the Earth. He creates whatever He wills. He bestows females (&#1575 to whomever He wills, and bestows males (&#1614 to whomever He wills.

                4250 Or, He may bestow them with both females (&#1575 and males (&#1575, and He makes whom He wills sterile. He is Knowledgeable, Capable.

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                  Mazhar
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                  males of the worlds ( &#1614 This shows that people of Lot were attacking to other people; the people around them or any other people bypassing their land.

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                    In the same story we were told that they came unto "males" and also unto "rijaal". These two words should not be taken as synonymous because they are not. . The one that merits (never done before) is the one with "rijaal" not males.
                    So, those people , both genders, committed very bad attrocities, homosexuality among them, but not restricted to it.
                    They also harasses active people "rijaal", and this is what has not been done before.
                    Both actions are signs of a lust to control and of arrogance

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                      Mazhar
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                      In the same story we were told that they came unto "males" and also unto "rijaal". These two words should not be taken as synonymous because they are not. . The one that merits (never done before) is the one with "rijaal" not males.
                      So, those people , both genders, committed very bad attrocities, homosexuality among them, but not restricted to it.
                      They also harasses active people "rijaal", and this is what has not been done before.
                      Both actions are signs of a lust to control and of arrogance

                      Yes, but the prominently highlighted/emphasised is homosexuality. And then the sign left is dead sea. Its peculiar features have all the similarities what happens in sodomy. Water flows in but it has no discharging/exit point, what they did was the same thing. Life can't emerge, except microbes. So is the case that only microbes develop in what they were doing. Another important feature is it being buoyant, man keep floating, does not settle down, anything that settles down is in the state of . Wife's purpose is

                      May Allah guide us and give us strength to keep away from

                      and particularly homosexuality which is included in

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                        Samia
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                        Water flows in but it has no discharging/exit point, what they did was the same thing. Life can't emerge, except microbes.

                        How's this different from heterosexual sex? What about STD's?

                        man keep floating, does not settle down, anything that settles down is in the state of .

                        I believe you mean committment? How are heteosexuals more committed than homos?
                        I do not see that you have a strong argument against homosexual lust v heterosexual lust. A non committed heterosexual husband is more dangerous to his mate, children and the society than a committed homosexual couple to their mates and society.

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                          Mazhar
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                          man keep floating, does not settle down, anything that settles down is in the state of .

                          I believe you mean committment?

                          No I am restricting to its litteral meanings. Absolute calmness, absolutely relaxed, settled as motionless. It is also with reference to matrimonial association,
                          but coupled with

                          All other styles give only momentary ease to males because of relief by the outflow of irritting acidic substances, without any real/true associated feeling of love and affection.

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                            Mazhar
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                            Water flows in but it has no discharging/exit point, what they did was the same thing. Life can't emerge, except microbes.

                            How's this different from heterosexual sex? What about STD's?

                            In hetro the "receptical/reservoir" is open from both sides. It has entry and exit for what flows in unlike the "dead sea".
                            STD is rare in remaining sincere and restricted to legally wed partner. I feel embarrassed having written this. It is better to stop things are getting open.

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