caliph umar converts dumping ground into a "holy" site
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For some reason the jews & christians find jerusalem holy.
And for some reason, the sunnis & shiites find jerusalem "holy". But what is this reason?
The answer seems to lie in 171. Almost all popular sunni & shiite interpretations tell us that al-masjid al-aqsa is a location at jerusalem. A good reason to hold jerusalem "dearest of all to their hearts". Of course, nothing in the quraan even remotely suggests this.
Much of the beliefs of sunnis (& shiites) come from ahadith, & much of ahadith is unabashed reproduction of judeo-christian literature. Many popular commentaries provide facts behind a verse, & the facts are simply lifted from the literature of jews & christians. It is not surprising, then, that sunnis & shiites have joined scores of jews & christians in declaring jerusalem to be "holy". To the point that some even recommend zeal comparable to the zionists'.
Far as the quraan goes, there seems to be nothing holy about jerusalem. The place doesn't seem to find even a mention in the length & breadth of the book. One significance the sunnis & shiites attach to is its alleged identification as the location of al-masjid al-aqsa. Let us see how umar identified a garbage-covered rock to be the the location of al-masjid al-aqsa, & turned it's vicinity into a "holy" site. It is an interesting story -- umar asks an ex-rabbi to point out the location of "the rock" & then establishes the third-holiest site for sunnis (I think shiites have their own preference, not sure). Another sunni caliph then orders pilgrimage to this former dumping site.
The Dome of the Rock was built by the caliph Abd al-Malik ibn Marwaan in 72 AH.
It says in al-Mawsooah al-Filasteeniyyah (4/203) The name al-Masjid al-Aqsa was historically applied to the entire sanctuary (al-Haram al-Shareef) and the buildings in it, the most important of which is the Dome of the Rock which was built by Abd al-Malik ibn Marwaan in 72 AH/691 CE, which is regarded as one of the greatest Islamic historical buildings. But today the name is applied to the great mosque which is situated in the southern part of the sanctuary plateau.
It also says in al-Mawsooah (3/23) The Dome of the Rock is situated in the middle of the plateau of al-Masjid al-Aqsa, which is in the southeastern part of the city of al-Quds (Jerusalem). It is a spacious rectangular plateau which measures 480 meters from north to south, and 300 meters from east to west. This plateau occupies approximately one-fifth of the area of the Old City of Jerusalem.
The mosque which is the place of prayer is not the Dome of the Rock, but because pictures of the Dome are so widespread, many Muslims think when they see it that this is the mosque. This is not in fact the case. The Mosque is situated in the southern portion of the plateau, and the Dome is built on the raised rock that is situated in the middle of the plateau.
We have already seen above that the name of the mosque was historically applied to the whole plateau.
This is supported by the words of Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) in Majmooat al-Rasaail al-Kubra, 2/61 Al-Masjid al-Aqsa is the name for the whole of the place of worship built by Sulaymaan (peace be upon him). Some people started to give the name of al-Aqsa to the prayer-place which was built by Umar ibn al-Khattaab in front of it. Praying in this prayer-place which Umar built for the Muslims is better than praying in the rest of the mosque, because when Umar conquered Jerusalem there was a huge garbage dump on the rock, since the Christians wanted to show their scorn for the place towards which the Jews used to pray. So Umar issued orders that the filth be removed and he said to Kab Where do you think we should build a place of prayer for the Muslims? He said, Behind the rock. He said, O you son of a Jewish woman! Are influenced by your Jewish ideas! Rather I will build it in front of it.
Hence when the imams of this ummah entered the mosque, they would go and pray in the prayer-place that was built by Umar. With regard to the Rock, neither Umar nor any of the Sahaabah prayed there, and there was no dome over it during the time of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs. It was open to the sky during the caliphate of Umar, Uthmaan, Ali, Muaawiyah, Yazeed and Marwaan The scholars among the Sahaabah and those who followed them in truth did not venerate the rock because it was an abrogated qiblah rather it was venerated by the Jews and some of the Christians.
Umar denounced Kab al-Ahbaar and called him the son of a Jewish woman because Kab had been a Jewish scholar and rabbi, so when he suggested to Umar that he should build the mosque behind the rock, that was out of respect for the rock so that the Muslims would face it when praying, and veneration of the rock was part of the religion of the Jews, not the religion of the Muslims.
The Muslims fondness for the picture of the Dome may be because of the beauty of this building, but this does not excuse them from the resulting mistake of not distinguishing between the Mosque and the buildings that surround it.
The site of the Al-Aqsa Mosque originally contained a Christian church, the Church of Our Lady, built by the Emperor Justinian in the 530s AD and was consecrated to the Virgin Mary. That church was later destroyed by the Persians in the early 7th century and left in ruins. When Jerusalem came under the control of Muslims in 638 AD, Caliph Umar ibn al-Khatta-b (580-644) was given the key to the city by the Patriarch of Jerusalem, Sophronius. Umar asked Sophronius to show him the "Masjid Dawud" (Mosque of David) and "Mihrab Dawud" (David's sanctuary or prayer niche) in the Qur'an (3821). The Patriarch took him to the door of the sanctuary which was almost blocked due to the trash that was placed at the door. Umar looked left and right and said "Allah is Great, I swear by the one who holds my soul in his hand that this is the Mosque of David which the prophet of Allah described to us after his night journey."
Umar started cleaning up the place, using his clothes to remove the rubble and other Muslims imitated him in this. After cleaning up the place, Umar entered the building and started praying, reciting the Quranic sura Sad. Thereby Umar converted the building into a mosque, an Islamic place of prayer which did not infringe on nearby Christian and Jewish sites of worship.
Umar also asked Ka'ab al-Ahbar, a Jewish Rabbi who had converted to Islam and came with Umar from Medina, to guide him to the place of the Rock.
The building currently in existence is a result of different stages of construction and renovations. It is usually agreed upon that Abd al-Malik (685-705), the Umayyad Caliph who was the patron of the Dome of the Rock, started to reconstruct the Al-Aqsa Mosque at the southern end of the precinct. This work was continued by his son and successors al-Walid I (709-715), who renovated and expanded the building. During al-Walid I's time, the mosque was given the name Al-Aqsa Mosque, which means "the farthest mosque".
A garbage-covered rock was pointed out by an ex-rabbi to holier-than-thou umar, who built a mosque near it. And umar's mosque was given the name "al-masjid al-aqsa". Admirable zeal for a "holy" dumping ground.
sub'haana Allaah
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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Peace,
This is one of the greatest lies in Islamic history. The Dome of the Rock and the Masjid Al-Aqsa was built after the death of the prophet by a long time. This means that the Masjid Al-Aqsa mentioned in the Quran can't be the one in Jerusalem. Then where the hell is it?? And who is the servant who is being taken between the 2 Mosques in one night?
Peace,
Rami
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Masjid is literally a place of prostration/worship. Then, it can be at jerusalem or it can be at timbuktu. I personally reject the location at jerusalem proposed by sunnis-shiites because its identification by umar & kaab does not serve as evidence. I cannot find reason to consider this location blessed or holy.
My understanding, as of now, is that it is some area near mount lawz, the mount of revelation.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597957.0
More specifically, the blessed plain (2830), the holy valley tuwa (2012). Needless to say, this is my opinion.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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I have a picture of jerusalem taken off a book. It shows jerusalem circa 1910-1920.It is quite an interesting picture that would allow some very interesting discussions.How do I insert it?
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rajah-I have a picture of jerusalem taken off a book. It shows jerusalem circa 1910-1920.It is quite an interesting picture that would allow some very interesting discussions.How do I insert it?
I guess u first need to upload it somewhere. I am not aware of another possibility.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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I have a picture of jerusalem taken off a book. It shows jerusalem circa 1910-1920.It is quite an interesting picture that would allow some very interesting discussions.How do I insert it?
upload to http//tinypic.com/
then use for url of picture
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rajah-
Were u by any chance talking about some picture of the western wall?
It is the qibla of the jews, who are supposed to face jerusalem & the temple while praying.I think they call this direction the mizrach. The devout jews prostrate & kneel, read their books, supplicate, move to and fro, & touch & kiss the wall. Apparently, a lot of lamentation goes on there, & for that reason is also called the wailing wall.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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thegod-
I am hoping people will realise something esp,those who has never seen jewish ladies wearing clothes so similar to what modern day sunni/shiite ladies are wearing. This could be seen as an attempt to make people realise that the 'religion' called 'islam' is actually judaism that uses the arabic language instead of hebrew. Hopefully more and more historic documents in pictures will be posted here......jewish ladies have thrown away their headgear only to be picked up the 'muslim' ladies to continue this practice...I could be wrong....
cheers...
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Peace all
Why do we have to get lost when God gave us the light. God says that the Children of Israel are the ONES who Know the Place of THE MASJED. No one can deny the Fact that the Israelis are fixated to take over one place for the past three thousand years until TODAY. Is this Place is Macca or Jerusalem?174 And We decreed to the Children of Israel in the Scripture, that you will make corruption twice on Earth, and that you will become very high and mighty.
175 So, when the promise of the first one comes to pass, We would send against you servants of Ours who are very powerful, thus they managed to breach your very homes, and this was a promise which has come to pass.
176 Then We gave back to you your independence from them, and We supplied you with wealth and children, and We made you more influential.
177 If you do good, then it will be good for you, and if you do bad, then so be it. But when the promise of the second time comes, they will make your faces filled with sorrow and they will enter the Temple as they did the first time, and they will strike down all that was raised up.
178 Perhaps your Lord will have mercy on you, and if you revert then so will We. And We made Hell a gathering place for the rejecters.
179 This Qur?an guides to that which is more upright, and it gives glad tidings to the believers who do good work that they will have a bountiful reward.Truly the Quran GUIDES TO THAT WHICH IS MORE UPRIGHT. And the True believers know that and not the WICKED ONES. !
To thegod, stop associating lies to God; unless you associate the Truth from the Quran, Bible, and Torah to God, you are committing SHIRK.
May God Guide you to the Truth.
Peace -
belh-Why do we have to get lost when God gave us the light. God says that the Children of Israel are the ONES who Know the Place of THE MASJED. No one can deny the Fact that the Israelis are fixated to take over one place for the past three thousand years until TODAY. Is this Place is Macca or Jerusalem?
After lying about the unidentified tombs in the killer's shrine, u have come up with this.
According to the quraan (& ur holy book, bible) the chidlren of israel were repeatedly given to disbelief, calf-worshippers. Are u one of them? -)
To thegod, stop associating lies to God; unless you associate the Truth from the Quran, Bible, and Torah to God, you are committing SHIRK.
Not even an effort at making sense; I like that. Keep aside ur emotions, & bring some facts. The history of the dumping rock is well accepted. & I like ur emotional attachment to ur holy book.
Why are u so attached to the den of shalim? -)
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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Bible is pretty specific
1 Corinthians
115 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
116 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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belh-To you is well accepted, but to believers is not.
Why don't u provide some documents?
All the classic symptoms -- no evidence, all empty talks. Refer to ur holy book (exodus, 329) for an explanation of the symptoms u are displaying. -)
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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More bad news for grave-worshippers. The site of temple mount served as a graveyard for pigs & foxes. At least, their bones.
Lamentations, literally -- Bones of pigs & foxes found on site of temple mount
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598114.0
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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belh-The Facts are in Quran, Injeel and Torah.
- The unwavering loyalty u display for the books of jews & christians impresses me. But all v have in support of jerusalem's holiness is the misplaced emotion of her faithfuls. But emotional attachment carries no value as evidence. Does it? -)
On the other hand, its history points to destruction & ruin. Would any sane person take a place which gives testimony to utter destruction, a dumping ground -- littered with bones of foxes & pigs & who knows who all, to be blessed? -)
Most importantly the book of the muslims talks about the ill-fate of the temple, but offers no hope to her lovers. Unless her lovers be scavengers, what can v justify their emotions with? Empty words & sad verbosity? Inventing lies in the name of quraan? I reckon reason enough for a muslim to not share the zeal of others. -)
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
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belh-To you is well accepted, but to believers is not.
Why don't u provide some documents?
All the classic symptoms -- no evidence, all empty talks. Refer to ur holy book (exodus, 329) for an explanation of the symptoms u are displaying. -)
ma'a salaam.
God bless all.
al'hamd li Allaah Rabb al'aalameen
You sound ridicules; this is not about a boy fight, this is about God's religion; The Torah, Bible and Quran Confirm Jerusalem to be the place for pilgrim; I advice you to visit the two places, Macca and Jerusalem to witness with your eyes about the traces of the prophets, especially Abraham.
Here are some evidance from quran about the HOLY LAND
520 And Moses said to his people ?My people, remember God?s favor upon you that he made amongst you prophets, and made you kings, and he gave you what He had not given any from the worlds.?
521 ?O my people, enter the holy land that God Has decreed for you, and do not turn your backs, or you will become losers.?Here is God Opinion about people who reject the Truth
541 O messenger, do not be saddened by those who increase in disbelief from among those who said ?We believe? with their mouths while their hearts did not believe. And from among the Jews, there are those who listened to lies; they listened to people who never came to you; they distort the words from their context, and they say ?If you are given this, then take it, but if you are given anything different, then beware!? And whoever God wants to test, then you will not possess anything for him against God. These are the ones whose hearts God did not want to cleanse; in this world they will have humiliation, and in the Hereafter they will have a great retribution.
542 They listen to lies, and consume money illicitly. If they come to you, then you may judge between them or turn away from them; and if you turn away from them then they cannot harm you in the least; and if you judge then judge between them with justice. God loves those who are just.Here are what God's opinion about Injeel and Torah that more appealing to the believers than youes
544 We have sent down the Torah, in it is guidance and a light; the prophets who have submitted judged with it for those who are Jews, as well as the Rabbis, and the Priests, for what they were entrusted of God?s Scripture, and they were witness over. So do not fear the people but fear Me; and do not purchase with My revelations a cheap price. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the rejecters.
546 And We sent in their footsteps Jesus the son of Mary, authenticating what was present with him of the Torah. And We gave him the Injeel, in it is guidance and light, and to authenticate what is present with him of the Torah, and a guidance and lesson for the righteous.
547 And let the people of the Injeel judge with what God has sent down in it. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are the vile ones.If you wish to disbelieve with the Quran it is your choice, but please do not ask us to do so.
Have your Deen and I have mine.yes