Is Quran Complete?
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Peace
The Quran is complete to its mission.
where in the Qur'an 5-daily salat are mentioned
I do not believe this is a teaching of the quran. You might be able to read traditional beliefs into it, but I do not think it holds up.
how to offer these salat prayers
Du'a appear to me to be out of necessity, but the accomplishment of salaat is in reaching out to God through the system endorsed and taught in the quran.
Joe
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salam,
Is Qur'an complete? If yes, then could anyone please show me where in the Qur'an 5-daily salat are mentioned also how to offer these salat prayers?
pbuh
Salaam
Quran is explicit in principles not in details.
That is the reason you will see diversity of opinion here about salaat.
1Nature of salaat mental or physical
2Timeing of salaat i.e Number and time
3How to perform physical salaat e.g one thread is going about Rukoo3/sajood of salaat as per Quran.
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1 Surah Number 16, Ayah Number 89
And (remember) the Day when We shall raise up from every nation a witness against them from amongst themselves. And We shall bring you (O Muhammad ) as a witness against these. And We have sent down to you the Book (the Qur'an) as an exposition of everything, a guidance, a mercy, and glad tidings for those who have submitted themselves (to All?h as Muslims)."These are GOD's verses that we recite to you truthfully. IN WHICH SAYING other than GOD and His verses do they believe?. Woe to every fabricator, guilty. The one who hears GOD's verses recited to him, then insists arrogantly on his way, as if he never heard them. Promise him a painful retribution." (Quran 456-
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1 Surah Number 16, Ayah Number 89
And (remember) the Day when We shall raise up from every nation a witness against them from amongst themselves. And We shall bring you (O Muhammad ) as a witness against these. And We have sent down to you the Book (the Qur'an) as an exposition of everything, a guidance, a mercy, and glad tidings for those who have submitted themselves (to All?h as Muslims)."These are GOD's verses that we recite to you truthfully. IN WHICH SAYING other than GOD and His verses do they believe?. Woe to every fabricator, guilty. The one who hears GOD's verses recited to him, then insists arrogantly on his way, as if he never heard them. Promise him a painful retribution." (Quran 456-
Salaam Ramzi
These are true.
Would you please practically and tell me and the poster how do you offer your physical salaat as per Quran ?
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Salaam,
These are true.
Of course they are, God says so, not me ;D
Would you please practically and tell me and the poster how do you offer your physical salaat as per Quran ?
Certainly, my physical salat is similar to the sunni physical salat, as I was brought up sunni. Also because any other physical salat would feel weird to me and distract me from the main purpose. I am of the view however, that any physical salat is correct so long as it is for the remembrance of God.
Looking at the tone of your question, and the thread itself, I think I have a good guess as to what your next question is. I used to ask the same questions ;D
Regards
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Salaam Ramzi ;
First of all thanks a lot for reply
Certainly, my physical salat is similar to the sunni physical salat, as I was brought up sunni
612
(612) O you who have believed, why do you say that which you do not do?613
(613) Most hateful it is in the sight of Allah that you should say that which you do not do.You said
Also because any other physical salat would feel weird to me and distract me from the main purpose
What do you mean by any other physical salaat ? Quranic Salaat ?
You said
Looking at the tone of your question, and the thread itself, I think I have a good guess as to what your next question is.
Brother sorry to say ,I did not start this thread. But
4912
(4912) O you who have believed, avoid much suspicion, for some suspicions are sins. *24 Do not spy, *25 nor should any one backbite the other *26 . Is there any among you who would like to eat the flesh of his dead brother' *27 Nay, you yourselves abhor it. Fear Allah, for Allah is Acceptor of repentance and All-Merciful.Regards
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Salaam,
Sorry, I do not see how your reply using 612-3 is relevant?
Please elaborate as to why you replied to my statement using 612-3. I can guess again, but as you take this too seriously, I shall not Looking at the tone of 4912, I doubt it refers to my tedious guess as to what your next question would be. Suspicion is a deeper word I feel, and hence the serious tone in the verse about backstabbing.
I do not understand your second question "What do you mean by any other physical salaat ? Quranic Salaat ?"
You said in a previous post that there is diversity of opinion regarding salat, and go on to list 3 points where the diversity lies.
That is what I mean.My apologies regarding the thread, I misread and thought you started it )
Regards
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Salaam,
Sorry, I do not see how your reply using 612-3 is relevant?
Please elaborate as to why you replied to my statement using 612-3. I can guess again, but as you take this too seriously, I shall not Looking at the tone of 4912, I doubt it refers to my tedious guess as to what your next question would be. Suspicion is a deeper word I feel, and hence the serious tone in the verse about backstabbing.
I do not understand your second question "What do you mean by any other physical salaat ? Quranic Salaat ?"
You said in a previous post that there is diversity of opinion regarding salat, and go on to list 3 points where the diversity lies.
That is what I mean.My apologies regarding the thread, I misread and thought you started it
Regards
Salaam Brother
If you are a Sunni then naturally 61-2,3 do apply. Then I am extremely sorry.
If you are a Quran aloner (which I thought it to be) then it is really something amazing that
Preaching = Quran alone
Practicing = Sunni salaat
Again I apologise for misunderstanding if you are a "Sunni".Also because any other physical salat would feel weird to me and distract me from the main purpose
Above is your sentence which talks about "any other salat". I was asking you what do you mean by this "any other salaat".
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Salaam Brother,
I see what you mean. I do not see any contradiction. I do not consider it a 'sunni' salat despite my earlier reference to it as a sunni salat. I used that term to give you an idea of my physical salat. Even the sunnis cannot agree on one salat. So what is considered a sunni salat and what is not? By how much do you have to differ for it not to become a sunni salat? I prefer the term traditional salat. All sunnis and shiites agree on some basics, like the sequence and numbers. Their ridiculous arguments about where to put your hands and what not to move and what not to scratch show their ignorance into not grasping what the main purpose is. Now I follow this traditional salat that was practiced way before some people decided to turn them into 'prophet sayings' and record them, forming the sunnah we talk about.
What I mean by any other salat is anything that differs from the basic traditional salat we see practiced by billions today. A one raka'a salat with 5 rukoo3 and 5 sujood for example. If someone is happy with this then fair enough. I do not see how I can prove that his/her salat is wrong and nor is it up to me to care whether it is wrong or not. As long as the main purpose (the remembrance of God is achieved) then who can disprove it? Had I not practiced this traditional salat, I would be very comfortable performing any salat. I do actually try and differ it a bit and make each salat unique. I do this because I do not like it becoming a ritual, where the SAME thing is done everytime. Regardless of how much one is committed and clear minded, I feel that once anything becomes a ritual, it is extremely hard not to feel daunted and depressed when performing. And therefore the main purpose is forgotten. I say this because Salat is a daily thing, unlike ramadhan which is yearly, and thus people actually look forward to it coming.
Unfortunately salat is a very important topic. It is usually the first question asked by traditionalists when trying to comprehend taking quran as an only source of Deen. I feel this stems from the fabricated pillars of Islam, placing salat at number 2. Thus the huge concern about whether one is performing salat 'correctly'. It has become OK to lie, backstab, feel indifferent to others, treat neighbors improperly, as long as salat is performed. Unfortunately, we are jumping to Iyman, before understanding what Islam is. How can we even consider performing salat, which has been written upon the mo2mins, if we do not fully understand how a muslim should act and live according to the straight path.
As you stated in a previous post, there is a physical and mental salat. I believe it is more important to train myself to maintain the mental salat, than try and perfect a physical salat which only takes 5 minutes max times the number of times a day it should be performed.
22 Surah Number 70, Ayah Number 22
except those that pray23 Surah Number 70, Ayah Number 23
who are constant in prayer;24 Surah Number 70, Ayah Number 24
who, from their wealth is a known right25 Surah Number 70, Ayah Number 25
for the impoverished non-requester and the requester,26 Surah Number 70, Ayah Number 26
who confirm the Day of ReckoningRegards
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Is this Abu_Yusaf by any chance ? Using the name Q_Student?
If not, then my bad, but you sound a lot like someone I used to talk to on paltalk. His main concern was finding out how people pray, and using this to prove the need for sunnah by showing that this prayer does not come from quran. A nice attempt but it doesn't fool me.
Anyway, enough talk about salat. The thread is about the quran being complete!....
Regards
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Salaam brother
It was not my concern about salaat.Rather it was starter of this thread who asked about it.His exact words areIs Qur'an complete? If yes, then could anyone please show me where in the Qur'an 5-daily salat are mentioned also how to offer these salat prayers?
Again I will remind you ;
4912
(4912) O you who have believed, avoid much suspicion, for some suspicions are sins. *24 Do not spy, *25 nor should any one backbite the other *26 . Is there any among you who would like to eat the flesh of his dead brother' *27 Nay, you yourselves abhor it. Fear Allah, for Allah is Acceptor of repentance and All-Merciful.
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salam,
Is Qur'an complete? If yes, then could anyone please show me where in the Qur'an 5-daily salat are mentioned also how to offer these salat prayers?
pbuh
There are lots of verses about salat. It doesn?t say pray 5 daily salat and it does not say the exact explicit actions. That doesn?t mean the Quran is incomplete. What is necessary is explained that shows it completeness. Did you ever think that because maybe in some people?s views it is ?vague? that God is giving a choice? Besides considering the sunni, shia prayer I am yet to find a hadith that explains the actions of prayer step by step..
Ok so maybe I should show you some verses
2238 (Asad) BE EVER mindful of prayers, and of praying in the most excellent way; and stand before God in devout obedience.
I think this verse indicates we should stand to pray
1778 (Asad) BE CONSTANT in prayer from the time when the sun has passed its zenith till the darkness of night, and recitation at dawn for, behold, the recitation at dawn is indeed witnessed .
To me this verse indicates timing of prayer
443 (Asad) O YOU who have attained to faith! Do not attempt to pray while you are in a state of drunkenness, until you know what you are saying; nor yet in a state requiring total ablution, until you have bathed - except if you are travelling . But if you are ill, or are travelling, or have just satisfied a want of nature, or have cohabited with a woman, and can find no water - then take resort to pure dust, passing lightly over your face and your hands. Behold, God is indeed an absolver of sins, much-forgiving.
Recite in a state of understanding and consciousness.
56 (Asad) O YOU who have attained to faith! When you are about to pray, wash your face, and your hands and arms up to the elbows, and pass your hands lightly over your head, and your feet up to the ankles. And if you are in a state. requiring total ablution, purify yourselves. But if you are ill, or are travelling, or have just satisfied a want of nature, or have cohabited with a woman, and can find no water-then take resort to pure dust, passing therewith lightly over your face and your hands. God does not want to impose any hardship on you, but wants to make you pure, and to bestow upon you the full measure of His blessings, so that you might have cause to be grateful.
This verse explains the concept of wudu
2014 (Asad) "Verily, I - I alone - am God; there is no deity save Me. Hence, worship Me alone, and be constant in prayer, so as to remember Me
Prayer is for remembrance of God.
17110 (Asad) Say "Invoke God, or invoke the Most Gracious by whichever name you invoke Him, His are all the attributes of perfection. And be not too loud in thy prayer nor speak it in too low a voice, but follow a way in-between;
how to keep your voice in prayer even what to say "invoke God or invoke the most gracious"
243 (Asad) and be constant in prayer, and spend in charity, and bow down in prayer with all who thus bow down
Prayer indicates bowing
2125 (Asad) AND LO! We made the Temple a goal to which people might repair again and again, and a sanctuary take then, the place whereon Abraham once stood as your place of prayer." And thus did We command Abraham and Ishmael "Purify My Temple for those who will walk around it, and those who will abide near it in meditation, and those who will bow down and prostrate themselves ."
Sanctuaries are places for people to bow down and prostrate?
The verses seem clear, others may take a deeper interpretation in the meaning and attribute metaphoric meanings but in terms of prayer I believe it is physical..
The purpose is to remember God...
Hope that helps
Salam
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Salaam brother
It was not my concern about salaat.Rather it was starter of this thread who asked about it.His exact words areSalaam,
I remind you....
Salaam Ramzi
These are true.
Would you please practically and tell me and the poster how do you offer your physical salaat as per Quran ?
ThanksSalaam Ramzi ;
What do you mean by any other physical salaat ? Quranic Salaat ?
RegardsRegards
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A few points...
physical / mental wording is absurd
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597865.msg193643#msg193643There is tons of info on salat in Al Quran (AQ)
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/quran_on_salat.htmVast majority (99%?) of people who ask this question have not actually gone through AQ to see what it says.
It has been proven traditional Ahadith do not have a coherent method, only by picking and choosing is this possible
http//www.astudyofquran.org/web/index.php?id=60,0,0,1,0,0 -
Salam,
There could be some parts missing and that what we really have now is just a portion, who knows?
"The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient." (6115)
The study links of the study guides which Wakas posted are quite good. The Quran has all the details which we need. It is complete.
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"The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient." (6115)
The study links of the study guides which Wakas posted are quite good. The Quran has all the details which we need. It is complete.
Dear Brother
The Quran has all the details which we need
"Which we need " is a highly non specific phrase. Need of every one is different. It depends upon
1Educational background
2Arabic knowledged and all linguistic branches (the way the words are used)
3Memory and intellectSo for everyone nature of details may be different. For you it may be sufficient ,but for me I may need more elaboration to make it clear.Is this not so?
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Dear Brother
"Which we need " is a highly non specific phrase. Need of every one is different. It depends upon
1Educational background
2Arabic knowledged and all linguistic branches (the way the words are used)
3Memory and intellectSo for everyone nature of details may be different. For you it may be sufficient ,but for me I may need more elaboration to make it clear.Is this not so?
RegardsI mean for religious guidance/laws. Of course the Quran does not say that the speed limit for highway abc is 180 km/h.
I strongly recommend http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=as_7cddmBsk&feature=related
And BTW Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt. (6114)
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So for everyone nature of details may be different. For you it may be sufficient ,but for me I may need more elaboration to make it clear.Is this not so?
RegardsAs long as this elaboration does not add any laws, change any laws, contradict the quran, nor change the view/message/image of the Deen as presented by the quran. Then that is fine.
The statement still stands>> As far as our Deen is concerned, the quran is a complete and fully detailed.
I love it when the verses that point this out are mentioned but then people go on to say " That is fine, but......"
BUT, what? Do we not have faith in God's words? No BUTs, 6115
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