Is Quran Complete?
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As long as this elaboration does not add any laws, change any laws, contradict the quran, nor change the view/message/image of the Deen as presented by the quran. Then that is fine.
The statement still stands>> As far as our Deen is concerned, the quran is a complete and fully detailed.
I love it when the verses that point this out are mentioned but then people go on to say " That is fine, but......"
BUT, what? Do we not have faith in God's words? No BUTs, 6115
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Salaam brother
Quran is complete
Quran is muffassal
Quran is Tibyaan
Quran is tells every thing .
These words used by the quran are usuall usually heard.
But what is the Practice ? Sunny Salaat (ask the reason = lame exucuses) Why ???
Prove practically brother. Verbally much can be said. Actual thing is practibillity. If it is not there every sermon is fruitless.We should try to prove these Quranic Claims and not do otherwise round
We are a different community from Sunnis. We have nothing to do with them and they have nothing to do with us.
Regards
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Peace
salam,
Is Qur'an complete? If yes, then could anyone please show me where in the Qur'an 5-daily salat are mentioned also how to offer these salat prayers?
pbuh
If The 5 Times Daily Salat Prayers are not mentioned in The Qur'an , then why are you doing it ?
almarh0m
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Salaam brother
Quran is complete
Quran is muffassal
Quran is Tibyaan
Quran is tells every thing .
These words used by the quran are usuall usually heard.
But what is the Practice ?Salaam,
Thank you for proving my point.
You seem to disregard God's words in the quran and take them lightly. They wash over you in less than a second. When the verses of God hit you, you will not ask such questions. Nor will you need a BUT after these statements.
In your post, you refer to the statements by saying 'These words used by the quran are usually heard'. Do you know you are talking about God's words? And so what if they are usually heard? It seems the main points of these verses have not hit you. You seem dissatisfied with God's words and assurances that His book is complete and fully detailed.
After reading all the above verses I am contented that The Qur'an is complete and fully detailed , any defect in my understanding is due either to my own lazyness or my lack of intellectual capacity and nothing else . After all , how many times must The God tell us that The Qur'an is easy , complete and fully detailed ? Here are some more Verses for further readings 638 , 413 , 6114 . Our Lord , increase our knowledge and grant us wisdom from yourself .
Peace
almarh0m
The answer to your question is in the quran if you choose to see it. First, have faith in God's words that you refer to so lightly in your post. Then adopt almarh0m's approach and you will probably find the answer to your question, or indeed see that your question is wrong in the first instance.
But what is the Practice ? Sunny Salaat (ask the reason = lame exucuses) Why ???
Prove practically brother. Verbally much can be said. Actual thing is practibillity. If it is not there every sermon is fruitless.We should try to prove these Quranic Claims and not do otherwise round
We are a different community from Sunnis. We have nothing to do with them and they have nothing to do with us.
Regards
Brother, just because someone follows the traditional method of prayer does not make them sunni. Nor is it called a sunni salat. Nor does it mean you are using other sources. The sources that detail this 'sunni salat' you refer to came 200 years after it was established, maybe more if this indeed was the traditional prayer long before Mohamed's time.
As I said in an earlier post in this thread, I follow this traditional prayer, but that does not mean that a different physical prayer is wrong. See my example of a one ruka'ah prayer with 5 rukoo3 and 5 sujood. What if I pray like this? Does that mean I am using another source other than the quran for my physical prayer? Let me make up a different physical prayer...... 2 raka'ah, one rukoo3, 4 sujood (and ofcourse, following the guidlines for physical prayer like ablution and not speaking too loudly not too quietly). Is this wrong? No.
Now following the same concept, I make up a salat similar to the traditional one.
If you study the topic of salat, which you obviously are doing, then free your mind of any ideas/images of what salat should be. It seems you have this view that there is only one specific ritual that has to be correct, and you cannot find that in the quran. Thus your attitude to the verses mentioned above and your obvious annoyance when they are constantly repeated.
We should try to prove these Quranic Claims and not do otherwise round
I think you mean, we should try and act according to these quranic TRUTHS.
There is no need to prove any quranic claim. All quranic claims are 100% true as they are the words of God. Prove to yourself that the quran is the word of God, and that is all you have to do.
Trying to stick to the point of the thread, what do you make of the narrations stating that there are 5 pillars of Islam? How does this sit with you bearing in mind the quran is complete and fully detailed?
Regards
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Peace Q_s,
please watch both of theses vids http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=as_7cddmBsk
and http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eMnoF67jkk&feature=related"Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt." (6114)
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salam,
Is Qur'an complete? If yes, then could anyone please show me where in the Qur'an 5-daily salat are mentioned also how to offer these salat prayers?
pbuh
God has a reason for not mentioning unneccessary details (like how to eat, how to sleep, how to get intimate, how to scrub your ass and teeth) because he doesn't want people to be reading and memorizing more than they should in his eyes.
You'll also notice that details of prayer are also not that important, because it's the heart and willing to pray that matters. My grandma could not stand on her two legs, crouch and repeat this 5 times a day.
I believe the Quran mentions either 3 or 2 prayers, but I think it's 2. It mentions Fajr and the night prayer, which is known today as Isha.
The interesting thing to note that even in all the hadith books, which has words summing up to more than double or triple of the words contained in the Quran, does not give details on how to pray. Maybe more detail, but it still leaves you with questions. Yet this is the most prominent argument hadithiest use. Talk about FAIL. nope
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I believe the Quran mentions either 3 or 2 prayers, but I think it's 2. It mentions Fajr and the night prayer, which is known today as Isha.
Salaam Brother
So you yourself is not sure what is does the quran say about timinings of the prayers .
This or that ,may be ,perhaps ,all these words shows height of uncertainity .
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God has a reason for not mentioning unneccessary details (like how to eat, how to sleep, how to get intimate, how to scrub your ass and teeth) because he doesn't want people to be reading and memorizing more than they should in his eyes.
You'll also notice that details of prayer are also not that important, because it's the heart and willing to pray that matters. My grandma could not stand on her two legs, crouch and repeat this 5 times a day.
I believe the Quran mentions either 3 or 2 prayers, but I think it's 2. It mentions Fajr and the night prayer, which is known today as Isha.
The interesting thing to note that even in all the hadith books, which has words summing up to more than double or triple of the words contained in the Quran, does not give details on how to pray. Maybe more detail, but it still leaves you with questions. Yet this is the most prominent argument hadithiest use. Talk about FAIL. nope
Salaam Metoera,
I agree.
The quran says it is complete. It does not mention what hand to use while eating. Nor does it mention a set method for physical prayer. And many other things. This does not mean I am using another source for my eating, praying, or whatever.
Anyone who asks, How do I pray using quran alone? Or, how do I eat using quran alone? has not grasped the concept yet.
Regards
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Salaam Brother
So you yourself is not sure what is does the quran say about timinings of the prayers .
This or that ,may be ,perhaps ,all these words shows height of uncertainity .
RegardsThe reason being, I know I already pray more than I have to, even according to hadith books.
I pray
Fajr 2 rakats before, 2 Fajr rakats
Duhr 4 before (in 2 prayers), then 4 for Duhr, then 2 after
Asr 4
Maghrib 3, then 2 after
Isha 4, then 2 after
So it's not that important to me if the REAL obligatory prayers are 2, or 3, because I'm not concerned with that, because either way I'm not lowering the amount of times I pray. I have no problem with praying more. Neither do I have a problem with fasting on certain days of the week or giving more than a 2.5% amount of net income to the poor.
By the way I'm just curious...what was your purpose for that response? It just seems a little anti-Quranalone, to me personally.
Salam
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Salam my dear Brother,
"The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient." (6115)
The study links of the study guides which Wakas posted are quite good. The Quran has all the details which we need. It is complete.
In the Ayah you brought, the word "Quran" is not there.
The Word of God has always been complete even before the Quran. The OP was in regard to the Quran.
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Salam my dear Brother,
In the Ayah you brought, the word "Quran" is not there.
The Word of God has always been complete even before the Quran. The OP was in regard to the Quran.
Quran = Word of God
"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?" (6114)
"This scripture (Quran) has been revealed to you - you shall not harbor doubt about it in your heart - that you may warn with it, and to provide a reminder for the believers. You shall all follow what is revealed to you from your Lord; do not follow any idols besides Him. Rarely do you take heed." (72-3)
"The word of your Lord is complete in truth and justice" (6115)
Just a question are you doubting that the Quran is complete?
"Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt." (6114)
Watch this vid http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=as_7cddmBsk&feature=related
Peace
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My dear Brother, handshake
Quran = Word of God
"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?" (6114)
"This scripture (Quran) has been revealed to you - you shall not harbor doubt about it in your heart - that you may warn with it, and to provide a reminder for the believers. You shall all follow what is revealed to you from your Lord; do not follow any idols besides Him. Rarely do you take heed." (72-3)
"The word of your Lord is complete in truth and justice" (6115)
Just a question are you doubting that the Quran is complete?
"Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt." (6114)
Watch this vid http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=as_7cddmBsk&feature=related
Peace
I believe that The Quran is a word of Allah but it is not The Whole Word.
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And if whatever trees upon the earth were pens and the sea , replenished thereafter by seven seas, the words of Allh would not be over/finished/ended. Indeed, Allh is Exalted in Might and Wise. (3127)Btw, is 1993 your birth year? angel
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My dear Brother, handshake
I believe that The Quran is a word of Allah but it is not The Whole Word.)
And if whatever trees upon the earth were pens and the sea , replenished thereafter by seven seas, the words of Allh would not be over/finished/ended. Indeed, Allh is Exalted in Might and Wise. (3127)Btw, is 1993 your birth year? angel
The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. NOTHING SHALL ABROGATE HIS WORDS. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient
As for those who disbelieve, they will continue to harbor doubts until the Hour comes to them suddenly, or until the retribution of a terrible day comes to them.
You shouldnt harbor ANY doubt.
You shall recite what is revealed to you of your Lord's scripture. Nothing shall abrogate His words, and you shall not find any other source beside it.
Btw, is 1993 your birth year? angel
Yup
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My dear angel,
You need to be very accurate and not mix words when it comes to Al Quran. "Word" does not equal "Al Quran". Whenever you see the word "Word" then it is "Word". Whenever you see "Al Quran" then it is "Al Quran". Whenever you see "Quran" (Just Quran without Al) then it is "Quran". If You see "Al Kitab" then it is "Al Kitab" and not "Al Quran". We are not to mess up with Al Quran words and replace their places and change their meanings.
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My dear angel,
You need to be very accurate and not mix words when it comes to Al Quran. "Word" does not equal "Al Quran". Whenever you see the word "Word" then it is "Word". Whenever you see "Al Quran" then it is "Al Quran". Whenever you see "Quran" (Just Quran without Al) then it is "Quran". If You see "Al Kitab" then it is "Al Kitab" and not "Al Quran". We are not to mess up with Al Quran words and replace their places and change their meanings.
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So what does "word" imply in your opinion?
"We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe." (752) Do you think that "scripture" implies any other than the quran?
6940 This is the utterance of an honorable messenger
6941 It is not the utterance of a poet; rarely do you acknowledge
6942 Nor the utterance of a soothsayer; rarely do you take heed
6943 A revelation from the Lord of the worlds
6944 Had he attributed anything falsely to Us
6945 We would have seized him by the right
6946 Then, We would have severed his life-line
6947 None of you would be able to prevent itWe know that the Quran was the only revelation that Pr. Muhammad got. We know that the only thing he could preach was the Quran. Above, it says "revelation" - do you still think it implies anything other than the Quran?
Peace
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Salam angel
kalimah= word
kalimat= words
Quran= Quran
kitab= kitab; some translate it as book, others as scripture, for me it means more than that.
wa7ey= revelations. Moses mom got a revelation to let her new born baby in the sea. So was that a Quran, the revelation she received?And so on.. handshake
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The reason being, I know I already pray more than I have to, even according to hadith books.
I pray
Fajr 2 rakats before, 2 Fajr rakats
Duhr 4 before (in 2 prayers), then 4 for Duhr, then 2 after
Asr 4
Maghrib 3, then 2 after
Isha 4, then 2 after
So it's not that important to me if the REAL obligatory prayers are 2, or 3, because I'm not concerned with that, because either way I'm not lowering the amount of times I pray. I have no problem with praying more. Neither do I have a problem with fasting on certain days of the week or giving more than a 2.5% amount of net income to the poor.
By the way I'm just curious...what was your purpose for that response? It just seems a little anti-Quranalone, to me personally.
Salam
Dear Brother
First of all we should stop Sunni Rituals and perform our own and preach them .
Preaching = Quran alone
Practice = Sunni Salaat
What is this called ? Name yourself.
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Peace TAJ,
"Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt." (6114)
Do you think "this book" refers to anything other than the Quran? The only scripture/revelation that Muhammad got was the Quran. Besides, do YOU think the Quran is complete? Yes or No?
Peace Q_s,
You're right about not performing Sunni rituals,
And @ Meteora
Why are you doing "Sunna" prayers? Are you a Sunni? Where in the Quran does it say to pray Sunna prayers? The extra prayer is the one at night where you meditate, praise God, recite the Quran, etc.
You believe in code 19, right? And that it proves the rakats? So why do you perform Sunna prayers? I'm not saying you shouldnt pray more or anything (although the people from submission.org say so) but those come from hadiths. -
angel 1993,
Peace TAJ,
"Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt." (6114)
Do you think "this book" refers to anything other than the Quran? The only scripture/revelation that Muhammad got was the Quran. Besides, do YOU think the Quran is complete? Yes or No?
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, "Then is it other than Allh I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom We gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters.
I saw that in the translation that you brought and also the one I found in Google, the words that I coloured in orange are the translation of the one word ?Al Kitab?. My question is why did the translator translate the first word in the Ayah as The Book (and in other translations it is translated as Quran) and then translated the second word as The Scripture? In the Quran, the original Arabic Quran, it is the same word repeated twice in this Ayah. So who gave the translator the right to choose different words to translate one, same word ? Well, this is the understanding of the translator. He thought that Allah could not have meant that Al Kitab means Quran in both places because if so, then the previous people must have also received Al Quran way before Muhammad did! So, they concluded, Allah must mean another thing even though Allah has used the same word twice.
Well, I do agree with the translators that the word Al Kitab (The Book) can have more than one meaning, depending on context and also on one?s own understanding. In my personal understanding, it could sometimes mean The Universe. jedihandshake peace
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Dear Brother
First of all we should stop Sunni Rituals and perform our own and preach them .
Preaching = Quran alone
Practice = Sunni Salaat
What is this called ? Name yourself.
RegardsThe thing is I do not know any other way to pray, and I do not see the point in changing it when I like it as it is now.
The details of prayer are not important, so if you're praying the Sunni way, fine, as long as you're doing it for Allah and not idolizing Muhammad.
Also I'm pretty sure now the obligatory prayers are 3. It mentions from fajr (start) to night (end) and emphasizes the middle prayer, so that sums up to a minimum of 3. I however like to pray more, because, it's easy for me to stare at women even though I know it's wrong (Quran says lower the gaze). I feel that it's right for me to do a little extra worship if you know what I mean.