Nullification of الوضوء

siki

Salaam Brother
Do you want to say that as such "Quran is slilent about factors which nullify the Wadoo".
This statement that "some say this and some say that does not matter " because no one is an authority except Quran.
Regards

Quran lists four conditions, sickness, travel , touching women sexually and a visit to the lu, all these factors need explanations , which have not been detailed in quran, and has been left to an individual's perception. If you want to get in to details of the other 3 conditions, they are going to be much more tricky. so make out from this listing what ever you percieve and feel comfortable with.

siki

Q_student

Quran lists four conditions, sickness, travel , touching women sexually and a visit to the lu, all these factors need explanations , which have not been detailed in quran, and has been left to an individual's perception. If you want to get in to details of the other 3 conditions, they are going to be much more tricky. so make out from this listing what ever you percieve and feel comfortable with.

siki

Salaam brother
Very strange
How is it if a person pain in the head or his foot is twisted ,his wadood is nullified ?
Can you please explain it ?
Travel
Sickeness

siki

Salaam brother
Very strange
How is it if a person pain in the head or his foot is twisted ,his wadood is nullified ?
Can you please explain it ?
Travel
Sickeness

Take it this way.

you are in clean state, but wadu every time before every salat

you are in clean state, but cant find water, you can salat without wadu.

you are in dirty state, four conditions,(listed) wadu will suffice to purify yourself before salat,

you are in dirty state, four conditions, and you cant find water to carry out wadu, but this time no concession granted to you, You have to carry out some kind of cleansing with clean dry soil.

you are in extremely dirty state , janaba , which is you are in after sexual intercourse resulting into discharge of semen, wadu is not enough , you have to take a bath,

you are in a janaba state,you cant pray untill and unless you take a complete body bath, salat prohibited

if you are travelling and get into janaba state, and unable to take a bath due to any reason, a concession is granted( illa abri sabeelin) to you, and you can go ahead with salat, do the wadu or if no water do the tayammam at least.

above is what quran says regarding wadu , nothing more nothing less, so sort out nitty grittys at your own and use your mind.

Dont expect quran to spell for you the kind, and degree of sicknesses, length of travel, or how have you lamastamum un nissas, weather you touched her here, or there ? and to gauge the degree of arousal you achieved .

I suppose the above should suffice, and please get out of sunni state of mind to re understand the quranic commands of wadu.

peace

siki

Q_student

Take it this way.

you are in clean state, but wadu every time before every salat

you are in clean state, but cant find water, you can salat without wadu.

you are in dirty state, four conditions,(listed) wadu will suffice to purify yourself before salat,

you are in dirty state, four conditions, and you cant find water to carry out wadu, but this time no concession granted to you, You have to carry out some kind of cleansing with clean dry soil.

you are in extremely dirty state , janaba , which is you are in after sexual intercourse resulting into discharge of semen, wadu is not enough , you have to take a bath,

you are in a janaba state,you cant pray untill and unless you take a complete body bath, salat prohibited

if you are travelling and get into janaba state, and unable to take a bath due to any reason, a concession is granted( illa abri sabeelin) to you, and you can go ahead with salat, preferably do the wadu or if no water do the tayammam at least.

above is what quran says regarding wadu , nothing more nothing less, so sort out nitty grittys at your own and use your mind.

Dont expect quran to spell for you the kind, and degree of sicknesses, length of travel, or how have you lamastamum un nissas, weather you touched her here, or there ? and to gauge the degree of arousal you achieved .

I suppose the above should suffice, and please get out of sunni state of mind to re understand the quranic commands of wadu.

peace

siki

Salaam brother
Brevity is the soul of wisdom. VEry long answers actually indicated of non clearance of concepts.
Simple question is
A person had done wadoo and is likely to perform his prayer. But uncontrollably passes gas.
Is his wadoo nullified or not ?
Simple question ,please simple answer.
Regards

siki

Salaam brother
Brevity is the soul of wisdom. VEry long answers actually indicated of non clearance of concepts.
Simple question is
A person had done wadoo and is likely to perform his prayer. But uncontrollably passes gas.
Is his wadoo nullified or not ?
Simple question ,please simple answer.
Regards

Brother , i have said what i had to say, I can only add , that if any body on this forum dug deep into this issue , i was definitely one of them. if above posts are not good enough for you, You need more time on this forum to understand ,as to how Quran deals/spells out its orders.

To finish it up, ask your self a question , do you think , passing a fecal gas is a part of visiting lu?

siki

Q_student

Brother , i have said what i had to say, I can only add , that if any body on this forum dug deep into this issue , i was definitely one of them. if above posts are not good enough for you, You need more time on this forum to understand ,as to how Quran deals/spells out its orders.

To finish it up, ask your self a question , do you think , passing a fecal gas is a part of visiting lu?

siki

Salaam Brother
I have courage to say that I have no answer and I do not find any answer in the Quran accordinig to my knowledge( which might be wrong).That is why I asked. But others should also deveope this courage that they have no anwer.
X-->Y ---->Z---->Y ,so M is proved .I do not think this is correct methodology. Anyway thanks for your time.
Regards

siki

Salaam Brother
I have courage to say that I have no answer and I do not find any answer in the Quran accordinig to my knowledge( which might be wrong).That is why I asked. But others should also deveope this courage that they have no anwer.
X-->Y ---->Z---->Y ,so M is proved .I do not think this is correct methodology. Anyway thanks for your time.
Regards

ok , ask yourself again , if you had some bit of control over releasing those gasses , would you not like to visit lu and release them there, rather than making every body around uncomfortable?

siki

Q_student

ok , ask yourself again , if you had some bit of control over releasing those gasses , would you not like to visit lu and release them there, rather than making every body around uncomfortable?

siki

Brother Peace
It does not matter where you release ,Is the wadoo nullified or not ?
Does the place of release somethinig to do with nullification ?

siki

Brother Peace
It does not matter where you release ,Is the wadoo nullified or not ?
Does the place of release somethinig to do with nullification ?

yes , because the quran mentions , a visit to the lu, Not releasing of gases.

siki

siki

yes , because the quran mentions , a visit to the lu, Not releasing of gases.

siki

Once again,

Would you like to go to the lu for releaseing gases, or, can you do this exercise at any secluded place other than lu, as well ?

truthseeker11

Peace everyone,

I could not find this term in the qur'aan. How can someone ask qur'aanic questions relevant to a term that is nonexistant in the qur'aan? How can someone use a non-qur'aanic term and then ask others to bring qur'aanic evidence relevant to the non-qur'aanic term?
Gas in the digestive tract can be expelled from the mouth (belching/burping) or from the rectum (flatus). Both are similar physiological actions and can be termed "flatulence" and usually occur normally.

http//www.emedicinehealth.com/flatulence_gas/article_em.htm

Both can be done without visiting Gh-W-T (see 56 for this root). Excessive flatulence (from mouth or rectum), however, can be a symptom of sickness. If it occurs normally without sickness then no effect on the pre-salat washing. If it is a result of sickness, then even belching from mouth will affect the pre-salat washing.

Q_student

Peace everyone,

I could not find this term in the qur'aan. How can someone ask qur'aanic questions relevant to a term that is nonexistant in the qur'aan? How can someone use a non-qur'aanic term and then ask others to bring qur'aanic evidence relevant to the non-qur'aanic term?
Gas in the digestive tract can be expelled from the mouth (belching/burping) or from the rectum (flatus). Both are similar physiological actions and can be termed "flatulence" and usually occur normally.

http//www.emedicinehealth.com/flatulence_gas/article_em.htm

Both can be done without visiting Gh-W-T (see 56 for this root). Excessive flatulence (from mouth or rectum), however, can be a symptom of sickness. If it occurs normally without sickness then no effect on the pre-salat washing. If it is a result of sickness, then even belching from mouth will affect the pre-salat washing.

Thanks Truth seeker
Do you want to say that Passage of Gas per rectum is not a "nullification of the Wadoo?
Did I get it properly ?
Thanks

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Nullification of الوضوء