the Quran definitely discourages capital punishment ------- RK

TAJ

Peace Bigmo,

Please quote the verse fully and quote other verses relevant also

Which verse do you want me to quote fully!? In my post, I did not quote any verse. I was asking Student a question.

No longer a Sunna-rejecter

(217 O you who believe, equivalence is
the law decreed for you when
dealing with murder--the free
for the free, the slave for the slave,
the female for the female. If one is
pardoned by the victim's kin,
an appreciative response is in order,
and an equitable compensation
shall be paid. This is an alleviation
from your Lord and mercy. Anyone
who transgresses beyond this incurs
a painful retribution.

(2179) Equivalence is a life saving law for
you, O you who possess intelligence,
that you may be righteous.

Q_student

(217 O you who believe, equivalence is
the law decreed for you when
dealing with murder--the free
for the free, the slave for the slave,
the female for the female. If one is
pardoned by the victim's kin,
an appreciative response is in order,
and an equitable compensation
shall be paid. This is an alleviation
from your Lord and mercy. Anyone
who transgresses beyond this incurs
a painful retribution.

(2179) Equivalence is a life saving law for
you, O you who possess intelligence,
that you may be righteous.

Dear Brother
If you have translated the word " as "Equivalence", please provide the evidence for it.

Regards

No longer a Sunna-rejecter

Dear Brother
If you have translated the word " as "Equivalence", please provide the evidence for it.

Regards

OK... I dont know arabic as I have already told you. I am getting this from translations. Besides, why do you always ask for proof of meanings of words?? This is just like the issue we had with "arab" meaning "arab".

I will give you various translations of 2179

Equivalence is a life saving law for
you, O you who possess intelligence,
that you may be righteous. (Translated by Rashad Khalifa)

Through equivalent execution, you will be protecting life, O you who possess intelligence,
that you may be righteous. (Translated by Edip Y?ksel)

And through equivalence you will be protecting life, O people of understanding,
that you may be righteous. (Translated by "The Monotheist Group&quot

In the Law of Equality there is (saving of) Life to you, o ye men of understanding;
that ye may restrain yourselves. (Translated by Yusuf Ali)

Q_student

OK... I dont know arabic as I have already told you. I am getting this from translations. Besides, why do you always ask for proof of meanings of words?? This is just like the issue we had with "arab" meaning "arab".

I will give you various translations of 2179

Equivalence is a life saving law for
you, O you who possess intelligence,
that you may be righteous. (Translated by Rashad Khalifa)

Through equivalent execution, you will be protecting life, O you who possess intelligence,
that you may be righteous. (Translated by Edip Y?ksel)

And through equivalence you will be protecting life, O people of understanding,
that you may be righteous. (Translated by "The Monotheist Group&quot

In the Law of Equality there is (saving of) Life to you, o ye men of understanding;
that ye may restrain yourselves. (Translated by Yusuf Ali)

Dear Brother
As I have always told you RK was a Cheat and Edip is his followers. Quran does not allow me to trust such persons.
Yusaf Ali translate it "Equality". Equality is not equal to Equivalence.
Mangoes are equal to mangoes
Mangoes are not equal to dollars but may be equivalent to dollars.
Equality is somewhat acceptable but not Equivalence. Please in future never quote illiterate persons.
Regards

Bigmo

(217 O you who believe, equivalence is
the law decreed for you when
dealing with murder--the free
for the free, the slave for the slave,
the female for the female. If one is
pardoned by the victim's kin,
an appreciative response is in order,
and an equitable compensation
shall be paid. This is an alleviation
from your Lord and mercy. Anyone
who transgresses beyond this incurs
a painful retribution.

(2179) Equivalence is a life saving law for
you, O you who possess intelligence,
that you may be righteous.

The Koran could be talking about revenge killings, very common among the tribes which usually ends up out of control. But I really do not see your point. What exactly are you trying to say?

No longer a Sunna-rejecter

The Koran could be talking about revenge killings, very common among the tribes which usually ends up out of control. But I really do not see your point. What exactly are you trying to say?

Brother Q_s is trying to refute the fact that the Quran discourages capital punishment, and I am giving a counter-arguement for that. God definitely condemns revenge/"honor" killings. Revenge/"honor" killing is a form of aggression.

Note the following in (217

"...If one is pardoned by the victim's kin, an appreciative response is in order,
and an equitable compensation shall be paid."

Edip_Yuksel

Dear Brother
As I have always told you RK was a Cheat and Edip is his followers. Quran does not allow me to trust such persons.
Yusaf Ali translate it "Equality". Equality is not equal to Equivalence.
Mangoes are equal to mangoes
Mangoes are not equal to dollars but may be equivalent to dollars.
Equality is somewhat acceptable but not Equivalence. Please in future never quote illiterate persons.
Regards

This is not the first knee-jerk nonsence produced by Q_student. He is splitting the literary hair of a word, yet unable to comprehend that such a literary nuance has no relevancy in this argument.

This will be my last post as a reply to this person.

Peace,
Edip

No longer a Sunna-rejecter

This is not the first knee-jerk nonsence produced by Q_student. He is splitting the literary hair of a word, yet unable to comprehend that such a literary nuance has no relevancy in this argument.

This will be my last post as a reply to this person.

Peace,
Edip

peace Exactly. Dear Q_student, I think just because you oppose Rashad Khalifa you attack all of his views. If a Bahai comes to you and says "worhship God alone", do you object just because he is a Bahai???

@ Edip

Please respond to the PM which I sent to you about salaat/namaz

Q_student

Dear Q_student, I think just because you oppose Rashad Khalifa you attack all of his views. If a Bahai comes to you and says "worhship God alone", do you object just because he is a Bahai???

Brother Peace
It is the point where you are misguided by Richard Kalif alias Rashid Khalifa.
Quran says

631

(631) O Prophet, when the hypocrites come to you, they say, "We bear witness that you are indeed Allah's Messenger." Yes, Allah knows that you are indeed His Messenger, but Allah bars witness that these Hypocrites are utter liars.

It is clearly says that a "shahaadah" of a munaafiq is not acceptable though it may be 100% correct.Because he must be speaking the truth to cheat and dodge the people
Regards

TAJ

Student,

Brother Peace
It is the point where you are misguided by Richard Kalif alias Rashid Khalifa.
Quran says

631

(631) O Prophet, when the hypocrites come to you, they say, "We bear witness that you are indeed Allah's Messenger." Yes, Allah knows that you are indeed His Messenger, but Allah bars witness that these Hypocrites are utter liars.

It is clearly says that a "shahaadah" of a munaafiq is not acceptable though it may be 100% correct.Because he must be speaking the truth to cheat and dodge the people
Regards

You clearly are projecting.

As I have always told you RK was a Cheat and Edip is his followers. Quran does not allow me to trust such persons.
Yusaf Ali translate it "Equality". Equality is not equal to Equivalence.
Mangoes are equal to mangoes
Mangoes are not equal to dollars but may be equivalent to dollars.
Equality is somewhat acceptable but not Equivalence. Please in future never quote illiterate persons.

whatever

TAJ

Student,

Dear Brother
As I have always told you RK was a Cheat and Edip is his followers. Quran does not allow me to trust such persons.
Yusaf Ali translate it "Equality". Equality is not equal to Equivalence.
Mangoes are equal to mangoes
Mangoes are not equal to dollars but may be equivalent to dollars.
Equality is somewhat acceptable but not Equivalence. Please in future never quote illiterate persons.
Regards

Not all mangoes are equal. No mangos are equal to Alfonso's. And this special treat http//s174.photobucket.com/albums/w113/HouseView/?action=view&current=Camel-Mango-Pickle-Big.jpg has no equal in market.

Samia

Salaam Brothers and sisters

Source http//www.submission.ws/quran/appendices/appendix37.html

But Quran says

Regards

Salaam Student

I also believe that there is no capital punishment in the quraan. This verse, IMO, has nothing to do with people. Does it mean if a slave of mine is killed by a free, the free should not be killed for him and only a slave should take the punishment?!
Moeover, means equivalnce, compensation. From the root is derived the word / story, which is the verbal equivalent of what really happend in reality. Aslo in the qur'aan we have the verse 1864

Moses said "That was what we were seeking after" So they went back on their footsteps, following (the path they had come).
Which means they made an equal journy back on their footsteps.

Q_student

Salaam Student

I also believe that there is no capital punishment in the quraan. This verse, IMO, has nothing to do with people. Does it mean if a slave of mine is killed by a free, the free should not be killed for him and only a slave should take the punishment?!
Moeover, means equivalnce, compensation. From the root is derived the word / story, which is the verbal equivalent of what really happend in reality. Aslo in the qur'aan we have the verse 1864

Moses said "That was what we were seeking after" So they went back on their footsteps, following (the path they had come).
Which means they made an equal journy back on their footsteps.

Salaam Sister

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Regards

Samia

Salaam Student

It's again circular argument. You do not redo the steps when it's "following the traces", nor do you reenact the events when you retell a story, otherwise, qasaas would mean copy. It's not. It's equivalent. Otherwise tell me what's the meaning of ? Is it to excute a "free man" if the victim is a free man, irrespective of who the murderer is?

If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever) And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him.

Where's capital punishment here?

Q_student

Salaam Student

It's again circular argument. You do not redo the steps when it's "following the traces", nor do you reenact the events when you retell a story, otherwise, qasaas would mean copy. It's not. It's equivalent. Otherwise tell me what's the meaning of ? Is it to excute a "free man" if the victim is a free man, irrespective of who the murderer is?

If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever) And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him.

Where's capital punishment here?

Dear Samia
I think you are struck up.
What is the meaning of Qisaas as per your understanding.
Please provide the evidence for it .Thanks

Samia

Dear Samia
I think you are struck up.
What is the meaning of Qisaas as per your understanding.
Please provide the evidence for it .Thanks

Salaam student

Why should I answer your questions and give evidence if you do not bother to reply to the question I asked you twice? You are the one who brought up verse 2178 without explaining what you understand of qasaas in its context. You are not debating, but sitting like a chief inspector asking questions and demanding proof!

ramzi

Salaam student

Why should I answer your questions and give evidence if you do not bother to reply to the question I asked you twice? You are the one who brought up verse 2178 without explaining what you understand of qasaas in its context. You are not debating, but sitting like a chief inspector asking questions and demanding proof!

I have said this a few times.... The discussions lead nowhere.

Q_student, you have proved your point regarding RK, and your posts are becoming ruder and ruder. You label people with shirk, call them liers, and hypocrites, and I have proven to you how much of a hypocrite you've been on this forum. I think you should move on.

Like I said before, there are bigger lies than those RK stated. I don't see you attacking them with the same passion as you do RK's.

If you really believe these people are mushrik then shouldn't you follow 6108?

Look it up yourself.... you're not worth the effort of cutting and pasting the verse, you clearly do not read posts and replies properly.

Q_student

Salaam student

Why should I answer your questions and give evidence if you do not bother to reply to the question I asked you twice? You are the one who brought up verse 2178 without explaining what you understand of qasaas in its context. You are not debating, but sitting like a chief inspector asking questions and demanding proof!

Salaam sister
You cannot say this . Probably you missed my post of this

Salaam Sister

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Regards

Samia

Salaam sister
You cannot say this . Probably you missed my post of this

Salaam Sister

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Salaam student

1- This is not your answer. This is a copy/paste
2- This is not my question. I never asked you what the word "qasaas" meant.