Who made God?
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Peace.
When I was in primary the South African scholar Mr. Deedat visited the Maldives. He met with the school children and when after the lecture the floor was opened for questions. Apparently one of the pupils asked him Who made God? he became rather angry and scoffed. You ask this question to God Himself on Jugdement Day.
Godbless.
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Peace nsws
It's not wrong to ask questions. A couple of months ago i reflected upon this question myself. Because atheist bring it up a lot when they are trying to disprove God's existence. But through logic, rationality and reason i found out that this question is a logical fallacy. And there exist solid arguments that demolish this claim. And i will go through some of the arguments below.
I think nobody created god, and that god has always existed. My first argument is that through logic and reason we will come to the conclusion that there must always be an ultimate first cause to everything. And the first cause everything is God.
As i mentioned in the beginning of my post the argument which you brought up atheist use a lot. they say if god exist, then who created god. Well, nobody have created god. And do we have any more arguments that can back up the claim that nobody has created god and that god always has existed? In my science class we learned that energy can never be created or disapear, it can only be transformed into other forms. that means that energy has existed from almost the beginning of time. And this is a solid argument to back up the claim that God has always existed. Because if energy have existed from the beginning of time (billions of billions of years), then God can also have existed from the beginning of time. God have existed even before energy because god created energy and everything else in the universe.
Did you know that Time and clock is man-made concepts. The clock and time was created by man. And today through modern science we now know that time is relative. And that the universal clock is wrong. For instance if you live in another planet you will get older faster or more slow because time is different there. you will for instance become an old lady in only the age of 30. Time goes faster or slower in that planet. It may go faster or slower than the planet earth. God is not bound by time. he can exist outside of time since he created day and night etc. If a human being create a computer he can exist oustide that computer. God can exist outside of time since he created time, which means that since he is not controlled by the laws of time, he is therefore eternal.
And since there is only one God and everything else exept God has been created, then God must have been the first cause. he is not bound by the same laws like us since he created the laws. He must have always existed. Just like humans that created the computer. Humans have existed before the computer. God existed before mankind. God is therefore eternal. And the Quran tells us that some beings will enter an eternal dimension
7223 It is but an announcement from God, and His messages. And whosoever disobeys God and His messenger, then he will have the fire of Hell to dwell eternally therein.
7619 And they are encircled with eternal children. If you see them you will think they are pearls which have been scattered about.
988 Their reward with their Lord is the gardens of Eden with rivers flowing beneath them, they abide eternally therein....
5315 Near it is the eternal Paradise.
From the verses above we can see that god can give eternal life to human beings if he wants. And since god can give human beings eternal life, it means that God is eternal. Because you can not give eternal life to someone unless you are eternal yourself. So, maybe the test of this life is that, thos who manage to get further development and reach eternal life, will be with God, and exist in his eternal dimension. And since god exist outside of time, he might exist in an eternal dimension where time does not exist. And if time does not exist in a place, that means that the place or dimension if you will have an eternal system. A system where it has never been a beginning nor it will be and end.
There are more that 40 verses in the Quran that tells us about eternality
http//free-minds.org/quran/search
And according to the dictionary, eternality means being without beginning or end
http//www.thefreedictionary.com/eternality
Another argument atheists use to try to disprove god's existence, is that they say Since we can not see god with our eyes, then that means that he cannot exist. Well we can not see aliens with our eyes either, We can not see energy with our eyes. We can not see magnetic fields with our eyes. But it does not matter. Because we know that life on other planets, energy and magnetic fields exist. Even dough we can not see energy with our eyes, we still know that it exists. Because we can feel the energy. We can feel its presence and existence. We don't have to see anything to know that it exists. We can not see god with our eyes but we can feel his presence.
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I agree that there is a God. But the arguments presented are problematic. The "prime mover" argument presupposes a Judeo-Christian (and Islamic) picture of God, and secondly it presupposes causation. Heraclitus and Henri Bergson challenge the first assumption, and David Hume and Immanuel Kant challenge the second (Kant is also famous for trying to refute the ontological argument for God, but I refer to him now because of his view of causation as a synthetic a priori). Note that language is full of the grammar of cause and effect. Everything I have said is based on a "Cause-Effect" framework. So you could say causation is a illusion constructed by language. I do not believe this, but such a argument can be made. And Hume made such conclusions more reasonable. "Well we can not see aliens with our eyes either, We can not see energy with our eyes. We can not see magnetic fields with our eyes. But it does not matter. Because we know that life on other planets, energy and magnetic fields exist." I will not say anything about aliens, but I will say something concerning energy and magnetic fields. Many philosophers of Science have argued that these concepts of energy and fields and other such notions are pragmatic constructs. In other words they do not exist. They are there for the purpose of explaning phenomena that we can see, smell, hear, and touch. Just words. So one could argue that only what we can see, smell, hear, and touch is real. I am of the opinion that the best argument for God's existence is the "ontological argument". But it presupposes God's perfection. And there is also something very fishy about it (but no one has found out what it is that makes this argument so good yet so fishy).
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The first (western) ontological argument was created by St Anselm (although he is not the only philosopher to have offered such a argument, and some earlier Muslim philosophers formulated similar arguments), who is also considered the father of the Scholastic tradition. Anselm's argument is the most famous of the ontological arguments (although it has its problems). Kurt G?del offered something like Anselm's argument, and his version is very interesting. His version is created on the firm ground of modal-logic. But in order to avoid confusion, I will deal only with Anselm's argument (which was the first western presentation of the argument, and is the argument mostly in mind when the ontological argument is made reference to). First let me state a basic family resemblance (to use Wittgenstein's words) between all ontological arguments. These arguments try to prove God's existence by purely a priori means. In other words, these arguments utilize only reason. In explaining Anselm's argument I will ignore the debate surrounding what the argument was really meant to do. Many think that the account givin of Anselm's argument in traditional books on the history of philosophy are wrong. I will not discuss these unconventional views of what Anselm meant (again) to avoid confusion, not because the traditional account of what Anselm meant is right. Now to the ontological argument. Here is the argument of Anselm.
"Thus even the fool is convinced that something than which nothing greater can be conceived is in the understanding, since when he hears this, he understands it; and whatever is understood is in the understanding. And certainly that than which a greater cannot be conceived cannot be in the understanding alone. For if it is even in the understanding alone, it can be conceived to exist in reality also, which is greater. Thus if that than which a greater cannot be conceived is in the understanding alone, then that than which a greater cannot be conceived is itself that than which a greater can be conceived. But surely this cannot be. Thus without doubt something than which a greater cannot be conceived exists, both in the understanding and in reality."
The argument is ingenious. But there is something wrong about it. And opinon is very divided on what exactly is wrong. Kant criticised the argument with his notion of existence as a "linguistic predicate" not a "real predicate". Anyway one chooses to attack (or defend) Anselm's version of the ontological argument, something is wrong with it. But a stronger version of Anselm's argument can be found. The philosopher Norman Malcom has pointed out that in the Proslagion Anselm argued that if a necessary being could exist, then it must exist, because it is a contradiction to assert that a necessary being does not exist. This variant of Anselm's version of the ontological argument (although still fishy) escapes many of the attacks that the more well known version has recieved. I have presented the oldest ontological argument (even though it is one of the weakest) to (another "again" avoid confusion. Much more convincing ontological arguments are out there like the modern ones formulated by G?del, Alvin Plantinga, Norman Malcom, Oppenheimer and Zalta, Hawthorne and a few others. But these arguments are still problematic.
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As a born again christian myself God was always there from the beginning. God is Spirit and created everything. He is My Heavenly Father, who loves His kids and is patience not wanting anyone to perish. God's name is Jahovah, and He has other names like Yahweh. God wants a relationship with us but we are all sinners and none of us can get to Heaven by ourselfs as sin will not enter Heaven. This is where Jesus comes in as Saviour having hung on a tree for our transgressions. For God so loved the world He gave His one and only Begotton Son that who shalt ever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. God bless you mate. and may the peace of God be with you and fill you with His love. Leanne Thanks for the article.
I think the cause of my questioning comes from my personal relationship with God. Almost like treating God as a human being. Christians believe Jesus is God. Maybe this makes it easier for them to believe in God. Even in the Quran, God has personal qualities. He is compassionate of us. He forgives us. He sees us. He hears us. It does not mean He needs ears or eyes. He does not need a physical body. He isn't dependent on anything, including creation and time and space.
I think if I start to view God other than personal, it will help me understand Him better.
God bless
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As a born again christian myself God was always there from the beginning. God is Spirit and created everything. He is My Heavenly Father, who loves His kids and is patience not wanting anyone to perish. God's name is Jahovah, and He has other names like Yahweh. God wants a relationship with us but we are all sinners and none of us can get to Heaven by ourselfs as sin will not enter Heaven. This is where Jesus comes in as Saviour having hung on a tree for our transgressions. For God so loved the world He gave His one and only Begotton Son that who shalt ever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. God bless you mate. and may the peace of God be with you and fill you with His love. Leanne Thanks for the article.
I think the cause of my questioning comes from my personal relationship with God. Almost like treating God as a human being. Christians believe Jesus is God. Maybe this makes it easier for them to believe in God. Even in the Quran, God has personal qualities. He is compassionate of us. He forgives us. He sees us. He hears us. It does not mean He needs ears or eyes. He does not need a physical body. He isn't dependent on anything, including creation and time and space.
I think if I start to view God other than personal, it will help me understand Him better.
God bless
Peace,
you should watch this video http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP9pl1558pc&feature=related
his accent might seem a bit hard to undersand, but it shouldnt be a problem -
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I see the proofs of God everwhere I look and in the miracle of the Quran.
But there there are still parts of me questioning God's existence no matter how much I believe in Him. I just can't help it.
If God created us, then who created God?
Did God just sit there on His own doing nothing in silence then decided to create us?
Who made God as God?I wouldn't dare ask these questions anywhere else &
God, Allah, force or whatever you may call Him, could create us in a state where there would have been NO TIme, No Place and he could create us in a state where no one would have known or used the word such as where, when, who. I hope you understand.
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I see the proofs of God everwhere I look and in the miracle of the Quran.
But there there are still parts of me questioning God's existence no matter how much I believe in Him. I just can't help it.
If God created us, then who created God?
Did God just sit there on His own doing nothing in silence then decided to create us?
Who made God as God?I wouldn't dare ask these questions anywhere else &
I thougt the quran says "there is no god............" ?
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peace
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I'm sure it doesn't
Almost every single verse says that there is a GOD indirectly!
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Almost every single verse says that there is a GOD indirectly!
and there is a God directly too. one of my friends say we shouldn't write God instead write Allah because if you see GOD in the mirror it would become DOG?
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and there is a God directly too. one of my friends say we shouldn't write God instead write Allah because if you see GOD in the mirror it would become DOG?
rotfl so what? Its the mirror's fault! rotfl
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Actually you wouldn't see DOG as the "D" and "G" would be reversed so would no longer be a "D" or "G"
thats true too! LMAO rotfl
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Actually you wouldn't see DOG as the "D" and "G" would be reversed so would no longer be a "D" or "G"
but why the letters are the same for both GOD and DOG?
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Anarchy, Baby.
http//cornelius1.com/blog/uploads/800px-Fibonacci_spiral.svg.png
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I'm sure it doesn't
I think it says
"There is no god but Allah"
What is Allah?
"visible state of relationship" or something according to Omars dictionary p28- i think.