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Compilation of discussions on aspects of salat

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  • WakasW Offline
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    Wakas
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    peace all,

    Having been a member of this forum for a long time, I have seen many many threads discussing "salat", with hundreds (perhaps thousands) of pages in total.

    In the past it used to be possible to refer someone to the use of the search function, which would bring up past threads relating to whatever they wanted to study, but as the forum content has grown, this has become less effective. Good quality information has been mixed with poor quality information. This happens to all forums and is nothing new.

    So, in order to reduce the impact of this problem, I have decided to create a thread, which will be made sticky (so it will appear at the top of this section), which will link to past threads in which detailed discussion took place for various topics relating to "salat", and are generally regarded as some of the better ones in terms of quality info.

    This thread is for recommendations for threads. If you have one, simply post the link here and give a few words on what it covers, e.g. timing, method, ablution etc.

    The intended thread in no way will act as some sort of representation of the free-minds forum members view, or the view of the site etc. It is a forum, hence discussion of many views. There is no one accepted view as that is not a forum's purpose.

    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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      Wakas
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      I will get the ball rolling... ;D

      SJD / sujud
      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=15172.0
      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7428.0
      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598162.msg225018#msg225018
      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601641.0 (detailed article)

      ablution / 443 / 56
      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12309.0
      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596742
      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597975.0
      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598122.0
      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597757.0
      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596517.msg4856#msg4856 (onwards)

      salat al juma
      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12309.msg96387#msg96387
      https//web.archive.org/web/20080303232154/https//www.free-minds.org/articles/hadith/friday.htm

      list of Quran information regarding salat
      http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/quran_on_salat.htm

      in my view, one of the strongest arguments against salat=prayer
      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9765.0

      Also, I think we will create a thread in which additional information about "salat" is listed, but no specific understanding. So people can run their understanding through this filter, or just to see how it fits. If no-one has a clue what I mean, I mean something similar to this.

      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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        No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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        http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8268.0

        I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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          No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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          Concept Of Salat (General)

          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596592.0 (commitment)
          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8243.0 (go/turn towards)
          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7471.0 (629/learning connection)
          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9470.0 (oration/follow closely/commitment/prayer/blessing)

          Salat Times

          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=11539.0 (dawn + dusk)
          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14793.msg151204#msg151204 (dawn + dusk)
          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7532.0 (dawn + dusk / study of 11114 + 177
          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8797.0 (dawn + dusk / study of 11114)
          http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7727.0 (al salat al wusta)

          I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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            unknownuser
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            The Concept of Salat (general)

            http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601105.0

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              Wakas
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              #6

              Two good articles discussing salat timings and formalisation of salat from the earliest traditional sources, showing a two daily method and somewhat informal model originally
              http//www.scribd.com/doc/37518694/Uri-Rubin-Morning-and-Evening-Prayers-in-early-Islam-by-muslims (or here)
              http//www.scribd.com/doc/37518569/CH-Becker-on-the-History-of-early-Muslim-Worship-and-Salat-Prayer

              For those who dont know, according to tradition, AFTER the alleged night journey (isra and miraj) by the prophet Muhammad, it became 5 daily. See here.

              All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                youssef4342
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                Peace be upon you guys as well,

                http//www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/islam/pillars/al-salat_(P1192).html
                http//www.yuksel.org/e/religion/salaat.htm

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                  Mazhar
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                  Meaning of SuJud in Grand Qur'aan-analytical study.

                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603501.0

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                    herbman
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                    Salam, Peace,

                    I understand your frustration, but I always reply the same to people asking me the so called question "what does then salat mean? or how you do salat?"

                    my answer why are you asking me? You should ask The One Who can teach you about it, not me (or bukhari, muslim, any sheikh or imam) and in his book there is a clear guidance for the ones who have NO DOUBT about it.

                    just my 2 cent, I know you don't want to read more about it )
                    http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602248.0

                    Peace

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                      ayman
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                      Peace brother Wakas,

                      Thank you for this good compilation. I also just posted Chapter 3 (the one about ?salat?) of the ?Quran for Peace? book on the book web site

                      http//www.quran4peace.org/documents/Quran4peace-English-part3.pdf

                      If the god willed, this will be beneficial.

                      Peace,

                      Ayman

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                        Wakas
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                        Good discussion on some of the assumptions/issues of 5-daily salat
                        http//quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=477.0
                        Follow up http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/problems-5-salat-Quran.html

                        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                          SalimHoosain
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                          During a discussion with a sunni about why the ritual salat is not found in the Quran , he raised the following point "The point here is these rival factions(sunnis & shias) were enemies since the Shia inception how is it possible for them to collaborate with each other to make Salaah with almost the same ritualistic movements?

                          Any thoughts?

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