Question for Sister Samia
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Sister I never said a jazm is a "Marker of end of a word". I have always said and implied Jazm, to indicates end of word. Please show me any of my post that shows where I said Jazm used as "Marker of end of a word". Thanks.
Badar
I said I was quoting what you said, here
to support my argument that "Jezm" indeed does indicate end of a word. Please see below, chapter 2 of AlKitab. This whole chapter is dedicated to markers of end of words.
And since these markers include jazm, therefore I can understand from his that jazm is a marker of end of words.
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Thank you for clarification. I am glad that you brought up, this understanding of yours; that, the Jazm implies ?a marker? of end of word and not a complete end of word. Let me explain, why I think this concept of ?word end marker? to be extremely important, in reference to our understanding of AlKitab; where innumerable Jazms are used. In written script, what appears to be one word, in fact lot of these are compound words i.e., combination of several words. If one were to accept the notion, that Arabic is only cursive, just like English and word end is solely indicated by a space between these words. One is faced with a grave problem of assigning incorrect roots to such words and hence, incorrect meanings. However, by realizing Jazm as "a word end marker". One could avoid the pitfall of so called ?one words? in writing. In addition, it enhances the concept of compound words, indicated by Jazm marks. Furthermore, this enables us to understand and not to continue to assign just one three letter root to these so called compound ?one words? which is very likely without paying attention to the Jazms; the markers indicating end of word. If we continue to assign roots like we do now. We risk that the true message might even be further lost. This notion would be even more important and relevant in current digital media and online age. Where in, all likelihood the probability of future generations going back to written books again is getting to be a remote possibility with every passing day.
Badar
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Thank you for clarification. I am glad that you brought up, this understanding of yours; that, the Jazm implies ?a marker? of end of word and not a complete end of word.
Salaam Badr,
You neither understand my Arabic nor my English. I DID NOT SAY jazm is a marker of end of word. It is not a marker. Here is what I say about jazmI would define it as one of the channels by which ends of verbs are defined. It could also affect parts other than or together with ends. One of the ways to demonstrate it is having a sukuun on the last consonnant of the verb. Nouns or built-on words cannot have jazm.
Even Sybawaih does not accept such a definition.
Moreover, I do not see it as having any effect on the understanding of the qur'aan, or any written Arabic . I am just responding to you because you put my name on this thread. But I am giving up. End of my contribution on this subject. -
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Please share your understanding of Arabic word "". Thanks.
Badar
Frankly speaking, I find the translation "channels" rediculous in this context. I used it just because you quoted the translation, and I did not have the intention to "proof-read" it. The meaning of in this context means "behaviour" or more precisely the way ends of words behave; from the root Jeem Raa Yaa to run; "jaraa mairaa X" behaved like X; "jaraa majraahu" continued (as it is). Again the context is important.
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Sister, all other languages of the world, have phenomenon called grammaticalization of words to create new words. Where new words are created based on concrete words and these new grammatical words carry concepts of concrete words. Why do you feel Arabic is an exception to the norm? Thanks as always.
Badar
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Sister, all other languages of the world, have phenomenon called grammaticalization of words to create new words. Where new words are created based on concrete words and these new grammatical words carry concepts of concrete words. Why do you feel Arabic is an exception to the norm? Thanks as always.
Badar
Because arabic has an only way of growing and enriching its vocabulary and that's through the root and pattern system. Any new Arabic word has to be traced to a root, be it grammatical or theological. I can comfortably say that arabic has neither specific grammmatical nor theological vocabulary that cannot be used in ordinary language.
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So dear sister, why people are having so much problem in translating this word from AlKitab. I will share the translation of title this chapter by person who claims to know Arabic, having learnt it by mixing with Bedwins in Saudi Arabia.
"THIS CHAPTER IS THE CONTINUATION OF THE FINAL STATEMENT IN THE ARABIC LANGUAGE."
Badar
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So dear sister, why people are having so much problem in translating this word from AlKitab. I will share the translation of title this chapter by person who claims to know Arabic, having learnt it by mixing with Bedwins in Saudi Arabia.
"THIS CHAPTER IS THE CONTINUATION OF THE FINAL STATEMENT IN THE ARABIC LANGUAGE."
Badar
Who told you that the beduins of Saudi Arabia are the best in Arabic?!
Anyways, why don't you read the book yourself and see if this translation fits the context?
And what's the "final statement in the Arabic language" for heaven's sake? -
Who told you that the beduins of Saudi Arabia are the best in Arabic?!
Anyways, why don't you read the book yourself and see if this translation fits the context?
And what's the "final statement in the Arabic language" for heaven's sake?Apparently, beduins base this claim, on their whims and conjectures. Since a messenger came there 1400 years ago and left a written script that appears similar to what they write. They ought to be correct in their claim of speaking the same language. Although this is in defiance to all established facts of science of language. But who cares. We are correct by our birth right. Who cares about the right given by creator i.e., a right achieved by "correct deeds". Here correct deed would be to acquire knowledge of the language of the script, by learning science of learning a given language.
You said "And what's the "final statement in the Arabic language" for heaven's sake?"
I thought the same. If one approachs any discipline of knowledge with out following the correct principles of learning it i.e., "the right deeds". This is the end result.
I have already translated it, but you are unlikely to agree with it. should be translated as "rules established or established rules".
Badar
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Hi all,
Maybe I have an example of zipped word, if you can check it with me and tell me what you think.
Quran 3745
what does means for you, is it + = source water
if answer is yes
- which grammatical rule has been used, I don't see any JAZM or SUKUN on top of MIM to mark end of the word
if answer is no
-what does means then?
Peace
- which grammatical rule has been used, I don't see any JAZM or SUKUN on top of MIM to mark end of the word