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    bkanwar2
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    So dear sister, why people are having so much problem in translating this word from AlKitab. I will share the translation of title this chapter by person who claims to know Arabic, having learnt it by mixing with Bedwins in Saudi Arabia.

    "THIS CHAPTER IS THE CONTINUATION OF THE FINAL STATEMENT IN THE ARABIC LANGUAGE."

    Badar

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      Samia
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      So dear sister, why people are having so much problem in translating this word from AlKitab. I will share the translation of title this chapter by person who claims to know Arabic, having learnt it by mixing with Bedwins in Saudi Arabia.

      "THIS CHAPTER IS THE CONTINUATION OF THE FINAL STATEMENT IN THE ARABIC LANGUAGE."

      Badar

      Who told you that the beduins of Saudi Arabia are the best in Arabic?!
      Anyways, why don't you read the book yourself and see if this translation fits the context?
      And what's the "final statement in the Arabic language" for heaven's sake?

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        bkanwar2
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        Who told you that the beduins of Saudi Arabia are the best in Arabic?!
        Anyways, why don't you read the book yourself and see if this translation fits the context?
        And what's the "final statement in the Arabic language" for heaven's sake?

        Apparently, beduins base this claim, on their whims and conjectures. Since a messenger came there 1400 years ago and left a written script that appears similar to what they write. They ought to be correct in their claim of speaking the same language. Although this is in defiance to all established facts of science of language. But who cares. We are correct by our birth right. Who cares about the right given by creator i.e., a right achieved by "correct deeds". Here correct deed would be to acquire knowledge of the language of the script, by learning science of learning a given language.

        You said "And what's the "final statement in the Arabic language" for heaven's sake?"

        I thought the same. If one approachs any discipline of knowledge with out following the correct principles of learning it i.e., "the right deeds". This is the end result.

        I have already translated it, but you are unlikely to agree with it. should be translated as "rules established or established rules".

        Badar

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          herbman
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          Hi all,

          Maybe I have an example of zipped word, if you can check it with me and tell me what you think.

          Quran 3745

          what does means for you, is it + = source water

          if answer is yes

          • which grammatical rule has been used, I don't see any JAZM or SUKUN on top of MIM to mark end of the word
            if answer is no
            -what does means then?

          Peace

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            Mazhar
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            Have you been to a drink party of upper class?

            If yes, read the four Aa'ya'at, you may find what is being done there.

            Water is something tasteless.

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              herbman
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              smth white with a good taste and would not intoxicate.

              mmmm it is either milk or batida de coco alcohol free rotfl

              sorry in the translation mislead me ???

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                bkanwar2
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                Herbman excellent pick of a word again. So what do you make out of this one?

                Badar

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                  Mazhar
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                  smth white with a good taste and would not intoxicate.

                  mmmm it is either milk or batida de coco alcohol free rotfl

                  sorry in the translation mislead me ???

                  Neither that will cause hangover nor they will get stupified with it. Superior/old age whisky- less hang over/headache--less possibility of loosing senses.

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                    bkanwar2
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                    Dear Herbman, its root is a Hmonym, usually a combination of two words and written like this . Hope this should help.

                    Badar

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                      bkanwar2
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                      so is it not a noun derived from a verb .

                      Badar

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                        bkanwar2
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                        But I guess your next question would be what means? Please look it up under it's roots & . Hope this helps. Peace.

                        Badar

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                          Samia
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                          But I guess your next question would be what means? Please look it up under it's roots & . Hope this helps. Peace.

                          Badar

                          Still insisting on this imaginary theory which you fail to prove?

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                            bkanwar2
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                            My Dear Sister proof is there. Is there anybody willing to heed to it. Please open Lane's lexicon and Look up both words & . With peace and lots of respect.

                            Badar

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                              bkanwar2
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                              Dear Herbman, so did I tell you the meanings of ? I do not think so. But I do not believe your intent was just to find out the meanings of this word. If I understood you correctly; you were looking for analysis of this word. An analysis based on Linguistic, the science of the language. I tried to present an analysis based on the data presented by you. That is to say the presumed root for word being . Do I believe it to correct? Absolutely not, question would be why? This is based upon following reasons.

                              1. I am a novice to the language.
                              2. The language is lost as spoken language
                              3. Did I apply all rules and principles of Grammar and linguistics to my analysis to above word? If not what was left out? To just name a few.
                              4. I am trying to understand the message of my Rubb. The only way to understand him is via this message. So how could one be so casual in ones approach? When stakes are so high.
                                Based on traditional wisdom, we have assumed that this word root to be . However, based upon research it appears that this word, a supposed root for , could itself be a combination of two words & . So far I have not come across a rule of forming a noun from a word formed due combination of two roots. However, if I were to accept this notion of as a root. The rule of making noun from rule of Masdar of Miime will apply here like from root . However, in word of interest you see that there is no Jezm on second consonant, unlike where a Jezm was applied, while making a noun by adding Miim at the beginning of three letter root. Please contrast this with the word in question. The Jezm actually disappears from so to called root. So please contemplate is actually the root of ? Does not it appear, that presence or lack of Jezm, does help in deciding correct roots? Hence correct meanings of the word in the message.

                              Peace.

                              Badar

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                                Mazhar
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                                Dear Badr,

                                Went over the head.

                                Is it not this

                                http//www.pewterreplicas.co.uk/second%20site%20pictures/tudor%20flagon.jpg

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                                  bkanwar2
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                                  Brother Mazhar stop emptying that pot. I can promise things will start sinking in. Clean slate of mind is first prerequisite for understanding everything. What to talk about message of Rubb. Cheers.

                                  Badar

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    So please contemplate is actually the root of ?

                                    Now contemplate and see the similarity between and the flagon. And then read the verse.

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                                      bkanwar2
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                                      Dear sisterr Samia and all. Let us discuss another so called word from AlKitab. is this one word? if it is. What is its meaning? If not one word. Is it combination of words? If so, what are those words? Thanks.

                                      Badar

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                                        bkanwar2
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                                        Respected and Dear Sister Samia, are you aware that in Classic Arabic, alphabet could be changed to in script?

                                        Badar

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