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Are we punished before we go to heaven?

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    nsws1988
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    Peace

    Thanks for the Quranic verses YAYA. Remember the prophet Mohammed never died and came back to life nor does he know the future to know what happens in the grave or what happens at Judgement day other than what was revealed to him in the Quran...

    They say 'If only a sign was sent down to him from his Lord?' Say, 'The future belongs to God; so wait. I too will wait along with you!'

    Say, 'I have no power to benefit or harm myself. What happens to me is only what God wills and if I knew the future I would have taken only the good things and evil would not afflict me. I am only a warner and a bringer of good news to a community who believe

    Say, "I do not say to you that I possess the treasures of GOD. Nor do I know the future"

    They say, "How come no miracle came down to him from his Lord?" Say, "The future belongs to GOD; so wait, and I am waiting along with you."

    "I do not claim that I possess the treasures of GOD, nor do I know the future"

    Say, "No one in the heavens and the earth knows the future except GOD"

    I recommend belH's response. It contradicts with some of your claims.

    God bless

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      YAYA
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      Peace

      Thanks for the Quranic verses YAYA. Remember the prophet Mohammed never died and came back to life nor does he know the future to know what happens in the grave or what happens at Judgement day other than what was revealed to him in the Quran...

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      They say 'If only a sign was sent down to him from his Lord?' Say, 'The future belongs to God; so wait. I too will wait along with you!'

      Say, 'I have no power to benefit or harm myself. What happens to me is only what God wills and if I knew the future I would have taken only the good things and evil would not afflict me. I am only a warner and a bringer of good news to a community who believe

      Say, "I do not say to you that I possess the treasures of GOD. Nor do I know the future"

      They say, "How come no miracle came down to him from his Lord?" Say, "The future belongs to GOD; so wait, and I am waiting along with you."

      "I do not claim that I possess the treasures of GOD, nor do I know the future"

      Say, "No one in the heavens and the earth knows the future except GOD"

      I recommend belH's response. It contradicts with some of your claims.

      God bless

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        nsws1988
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        Don't bang your head on the wall )

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          afridi220
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          Don't bang your head on the wall
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          No problem he is headless. '(

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            belH
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            Muslim belief about this is as follows

            When a person dies, he or she will be laid in the grave. The Prophet told us that in the grave, all people will be questioned in the grave about their belief. They will sit up and answer the angels' questions. The believers will answer, "Allah is my Lord, Islam is my religion, and Muhammad is my prophet." The unbelievers will say, "I do not know. I heard the people saying something and I said it."

            Peace All

            I'm advising you to Not Associate with God's Religion What Was not Revealed in Quran, otherwise, You are committing the SIN that God Does Not Forgive--SHIRK.

            Say ?My Lord has forbidden all lewd action, what is obvious from them and what is subtle, and sin, and aggression without cause, and that you associate with God that which He has never authorized (revealed in His Books), and that you say about God what you do not know* .?

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            • What we Do not Know About God is What He Did Not Reveal in His Books (True Quran, Torah, and Injeel)

            The Hadiths that you are Quoting Are NOT the Words of God Nor The Words of Prophet Mohamed, who was forbidden to Speak about God What was not Revealed to Him; hence, every Word That was revealed to the Prophet is Written By Him during His Life Time.

            If you keep spreading conjecture about the UNSEEN, you will be Sorry in the Hereafter.

            Please, Read the Following Verses and Let me Know what they Mean

            6112 And as such, We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and Jinn devils - to inspire each other with fancy words in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.
            6112

            6113That is so the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter will listen to it, and they will accept it, and they will take of it what they will.
            6113

            6114 ?Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you this Scripture fully detailed?? Those to whom We have given the Scripture know it is sent down from your Lord with truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.
            6114

            6115 And the word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice; there is no changing His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.

            6115

            6116 And if you obey the majority of those on Earth they will lead you away from God?s path; that is because they follow conjecture, and that they should keep their Words to Themselves.
            6116

            May God Bless Those who are seeking The Truth of Their Lord--Allah.

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              nsws1988
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              YAYA

              Also read the message that I sent you a few days ago. They are all God's verses from the Quran.

              God bless

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                MUNZIR_ALI
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                What message? just curious? ;D

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                  nsws1988
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                  What message? just curious? ;D

                  Peace

                  Just a pm I sent to him. Quranic verses related to

                  • Quran being complete
                  • Not to follow hadeeths
                  • Prophet Mohammed couldn't tell the future
                  • Prophet Mohammed was not allowed by God to utter any other teachings
                  • God explains the Quran
                  • Messengers deliever God's message only

                  God bless

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                    MUNZIR_ALI
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                    Peace

                    • Prophet Mohammed couldn't tell the future

                    God bless

                    According to the hadhis the prophet once saw a dead jewess who was put in a coffin for burial...the prophet (according to the hadhis) said the women is burning in hell.. rotfl

                    Can you believe this?

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                      Rev_John
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                      Why would he think that?

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                        No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                        Why would he think that?

                        It's fabricated. Prophet Muhammad did not actually say that. It's from Hadiths - the same thing that says that the "earth is carried on a bull".

                        I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                          Rev_John
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                          rotfl I understand now. Why are all these things made up by people about Muhammad, Jesus, and even God unless it be to control the people and stop them from thinking for themselves?

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                            Peace Rev.

                            The ahadeeth of the Schools of muslim thought are very much like not letting people think. It tells people how to eat, which hand to eat with, how to trim their pubic hair, when they should cut this or that. It is very detailed in alot of everyday activities one should do. It's like instead of living your life you're born with a book in your hand telling you what should be done.

                            Joe

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                              Rev_John
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                              Peace Rev.

                              The ahadeeth of the Schools of muslim thought are very much like not letting people think. It tells people how to eat, which hand to eat with, how to trim their pubic hair, when they should cut this or that. It is very detailed in alot of everyday activities one should do. It's like instead of living your life you're born with a book in your hand telling you what should be done.

                              Joe

                              But why can you not eat with your left hand?

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                                MUNZIR_ALI
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                                But why can you not eat with your left hand?

                                The hadhis says that, but I believe that we can eat with our left hand eat

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                                  nsws1988
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                                  They say that the left hand is meant for dirty things like cleaning yourself so you can't eat with it. I clean my hands thoroughly with soap and water and use both of my God-given hands to eat.

                                  All these teachings are fabricated and are made out that prophet Mohammed gave these teachings even though these is proof in the Quran that the prophet Mohammed was not allowed to utter any teachings other than the Quran.

                                  To muslims who do not follow the Quran alone, these hadiths are considered sacred and must be followed, which is why Alen was telling you that the men at the mosque kicked him out because he wouldn't accept the hadiths.

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                                    Rev_John
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                                    They say that the left hand is meant for dirty things like cleaning yourself so you can't eat with it. I clean my hands thoroughly with soap and water and use both of my God-given hands to eat.

                                    All these teachings are fabricated and are made out that prophet Mohammed gave these teachings even though these is proof in the Quran that the prophet Mohammed was not allowed to utter any teachings other than the Quran.

                                    To muslims who do not follow the Quran alone, these hadiths are considered sacred and must be followed, which is why Alen was telling you that the men at the mosque kicked him out because he wouldn't accept the hadiths.

                                    Yes I see that. But what would they do if the lost there right hand in an accident? You are lucky in a sense, from what I understand, at least the Quran and the hadiths are separate. In Christianity the whole bible has been changed to include similar things to your hadiths, much more difficult trying to work out which is orriginal and which was introduced to make it "fit"

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                                      MUNZIR_ALI
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                                      Yes I see that. But what would they do if the lost there right hand in an accident? You are lucky in a sense, from what I understand, at least the Quran and the hadiths are separate. In Christianity the whole bible has been changed to include similar things to your hadiths, much more difficult trying to work out which is orriginal and which was introduced to make it "fit"

                                      I find the hadhis more confusing than quran!

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