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    Ahmad_Bilal
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    You surely don't know the qur'aan, nor scientific research!

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    O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from them twain hath spread abroad a multitude of men and women. Be careful of your duty toward Allah in Whom ye claim (your rights) of one another, and toward the wombs (that bare you). Lo! Allah hath been a watcher over you.

    7189

    He it is Who did create you from a single soul, and therefrom did make her mate that he might take rest in her. And when he covered her she bore a light burden, and she passed with it, but when it became heavy they cried unto Allah, their Lord, saying If thou givest unto us aright we shall be of the thankful.

    I can't see a rib, nor someone created from another.

    So, based on that, you figure I don't know the Qur'aan or scientific research? ) Okay... Is there any passage that says that G-d did NOT create Eve ("Hawwa&quot from Adam's rib? Is there any scientific evidence that refutes the "Genesis" creation episode of Adam and Eve? Is there any Qur'aanic proof that the "single soul" (or self) mentioned in 41 is NOT talking about Adam? It's not talking about a collective body, it's talking about one person. And the only person mentioned as being directly shaped by G-d in the Qur'aan is Adam (the first man). Therefore, everyone else descends from him, INCLUDING HIS WIFE... So, what's the objection?

    By the way, the passage doesn't have to specifically refer to a rib. Again, the Qur'aan is a "reminder". It's reminding the people of the previous scripture, the Torah... If Torah mentions someone being stabbed with a sword, and the Qur'aan simply says the person was stabbed, does that mean the person could've possibly been stabbed with something other than a sword (i.e. a fork or kitchen knife), simply because the Qur'aan doesn't specify?!

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      Samia
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      So, based on that, you figure I don't know the Qur'aan or scientific research? Okay... Is there any passage that says that G-d did NOT create Eve ("Hawwa&quot from Adam's rib?

      What a weird kind of logic! If it says how they are created, why should it say how they are not created? And is "not created" is equivalent to "not created from a rib"? Well, the qur'aan did not tell us that Noah, after the flood, grew a vineyard and got drunk and lied naked, and was then involved in a sexual incident. His son rediculed him, and that the curse of God fell on this son and God turned him black, and that his descendents will be black too and be slaves to the descendants of the other two sons of Noawho in effect receive a blessing because they were kind to their father. But the Torah says so, so we should believe it, because the qur'aan did not say it didn't happen.

      Is there any Qur'aanic proof that the "single soul" (or self) mentioned in 41 is NOT talking about Adam?

      You haven't read the other verse. Or, if you have, you have read it with a preconception, the same preconception that made you put the name of Adam to the soul mentioned in verse 41.

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        Noah, after the flood, grew a vineyard and got drunk and lied naked, and was then involved in a sexual incident. His son rediculed him, and that the curse of God fell on this son and God turned him black, and that his descendents will be black too and be slaves to the descendants of the other two sons of Noawho in effect receive a blessing because they were kind to their father. But the Torah says so,
        The Torah could be made into a soap! Quite the story I must say.

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          Peace,

          What a weird kind of logic! If it says how they are created, why should it say how they are not created? And is "not created" is equivalent to "not created from a rib"? Well, the qur'aan did not tell us that Noah, after the flood, grew a vineyard and got drunk and lied naked, and was then involved in a sexual incident. His son rediculed him, and that the curse of God fell on this son and God turned him black, and that his descendents will be black too and be slaves to the descendants of the other two sons of Noawho in effect receive a blessing because they were kind to their father. But the Torah says so, so we should believe it, because the qur'aan did not say it didn't happen.

          The passage does NOT say how Eve ("Huwwa&quot was created, and the Qur'aan never mentions G-d shaping her at all... And the whole story you relayed about Noah and his offspring is a European Christianized myth, and that's not the story given in the Torah at all. Noah was already black-skinned, and so were all his descendants, as were their descendants. The Torah says this pretty clearly and specifically. I think you've been reading too many European Christian scripts regarding this incident...

          You haven't read the other verse. Or, if you have, you have read it with a preconception, the same preconception that made you put the name of Adam to the soul mentioned in verse 41.

          The other verse (7189) gives the same story. It's referring to Adam, and all creation being descended from him, INCLUDING HIS WIFE. He reproduced with her, and his offspring is all of humanity... I didn't put Adam's name in the passage, Adam is implied because of the other passage in 41.

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            Samia
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            Peace,

            And the whole story you relayed about Noah and his offspring is a European Christianized myth, and that's not the story given in the Torah at all. Noah was already black-skinned, and so were all his descendants, as were their descendants. The Torah says this pretty clearly and specifically. I think you've been reading too many European Christian scripts regarding this incident...

            Which part of the story is not in the torah? Does the torah say that Noah was black?!

            The other verse (7189) gives the same story. It's referring to Adam

            Then I will rephrase my comment
            You haven't read the other verse. Or, if you have, you have read it with a preconception, the same preconception that made you put the name of Adam to the soul mentioned in verse 41.
            It seems that you do not read what you do not want to see in a direct verse from the qur'aan. I wonder if the same "quality" reflects in your reading of the torah you read what you like and you ignore what you do not like (as in the story of Noah).

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              Peace,

              Is this really what the Torah is saying, or are you just speaking from a biased perspective?

              Do you want verses? Crystal clear verses?

              Do you believe that G-d sent down the Torah or not? And does He condone wickedness?

              I believe that the god revealed the Torah, but that the Old Testament doesn't contain the Torah. The god described in the KJB is vastly different from the pure and beautiful god who sent us the great reading.

              Do the modern Jews kill their kids, stone all adulterers, kill gays, and marry rape victims to their assailants?

              That's immaterial to what we're discussing.

              People make the same types of accusations in relation to Islaam, claiming that the Qur'aan authorizes muslims to kill every idolator and polytheist in sight!

              And they're wrong because the great reading contains no such commandments. Now you'll say that some people insist that the great reading does so how do we decide which interpretation of the great reading is right and which isn't? The great reading claims that a society that truly follows it will be a prosperous and peaceful one so only a peaceful and prosperous society will be living according to the great reading's laws and a peaceful and prosperous society is one in which polytheists and idolators have the right to live.

              Sometimes you have to look at the entire context of the scripture to understand the command...

              So are you saying such commandments are in the Old Testament? And I have looked at the entire context. It still seems to me that the god of the Old Testament is nothing more than the creation of stupid angry people who had no decency.

              Besides, you're talking about Torah commands, not concepts.

              Commands come from concepts.

              This doesn't really have anything to do with what the Jews were commanded to do; rather it's about what they were instructed to believe.

              Nonsense, and even if you were right, the god of the Old Testament would still be pretty bad.

              And the "in G-d's image" concept is a universally accepted idea that is accepted by Jews everywhere...

              And that makes it right? Do you know what an argumentum ad numerum (appeal to numbers) logical fallacy is?

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                Peace,

                I believe that the god revealed the Torah, but that the Old Testament doesn't contain the Torah. The god described in the KJB is vastly different from the pure and beautiful god who sent us the great reading.

                That's a debatable argument. The Torah is found within the "old testament", but the KJB is a mistranslation of another mistranslation. The god of the Jews and the god of the Muslims is the same, and there is only one god. He's just described under different circumstances and to different audiences... The Torah is found within the Hebrew Tanakh and in the oral Law...

                That's immaterial to what we're discussing.

                Actually it isn't. Modern Orthodox Jews claim to follow all of the laws of the Torah, yet they don't stone anyone or condone the rape of anyone. Many of them view these guidelines are specific to a certain audience, and in today's society, they're often seen as allegorical... Muslims, on the other hand, DO stone adulterers, kill gays, and force marriage upon the unwilling. Some of them have even been known to imprison and kill their children for minor offenses, such as writing the name of Muhammad in a bathroom... Who seems to be more wicked to you, the Muslims or the Jews?

                And they're wrong because the great reading contains no such commandments. Now you'll say that some people insist that the great reading does so how do we decide which interpretation of the great reading is right and which isn't? The great reading claims that a society that truly follows it will be a prosperous and peaceful one so only a peaceful and prosperous society will be living according to the great reading's laws and a peaceful and prosperous society is one in which polytheists and idolators have the right to live.

                The Qur'aan doesn't say anything about killing idolators and polytheists?! The whole "peaceful society" concept doesn't necessarily mean the people are living according to G-d's commandments, and it can also refer to multiple societies. For example, regarding the Jews, they've been living peacefully in many countries for decades, while the Islaamic societies have been in constant turmoil and conflict. So, who's really being guided by G-d, the Muslims or the Jews?

                So are you saying such commandments are in the Old Testament? And I have looked at the entire context. It still seems to me that the god of the Old Testament is nothing more than the creation of stupid angry people who had no decency.

                This is absolutely false, and this is obvious foolishness. What you're misunderstanding is the concept of what Islaam teaches... Even though I agree with the idea of taking religious guidance from the Qur'aan alone, this is not the basis of Islaam at all. In reality, Islaam existed long before Muhammad was born and long before the revelation of the Qur'aan; that means you don't need the Qur'aan to be a muslim. The Jews were the original nation of "muslimoon"/submitters, and they lived their life according to the Torah, the same Torah contained within the Hebrew Tanakh and oral Law. So, how can you allege that this is a forgery written by "stupid angry people"? Do the laws of the Torah condone or suggest hatred of others and wickedness?

                Nonsense, and even if you were right, the god of the Old Testament would still be pretty bad.

                How would it be pretty bad? Can you give some examples of this badness? The god described in the Tanakh is the same god described in the Qur'aan... Do you think the Torah was lost somewhere between the time of Muhammad and today? When the Qur'aan describes the Torah, it mentions it as if it is still widely known and accepted by the Jews of the day, and during that time they were using the same Torah and Tanakh that is in Jewish circulation today...

                And that makes it right? Do you know what an argumentum ad numerum (appeal to numbers) logical fallacy is?

                Absolutely, but this is not what I'm talking about at all. Like I said, the concept of "in G-d's image" is not governed by specific actions, it is an idea. When a divinely inspired writing says specifically to believe in an idea, it's not a question of action as much as it is a question of doctrine. There's no question... For example, the Qur'aan clearly and specifically tells us to believe in one god (called "Allah&quot. So, in Islaamic doctrine, this is not a debatable issue, and all muslims believe it. Believing in more than one god is equivalent to disbelieving in Islaam. The same is the case in Judaism... When everybody believes in the same doctrine based on scripture, it could very well be true, and this is the case concerning any religious system...

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                  Peace,

                  Which part of the story is not in the torah? Does the torah say that Noah was black?!

                  The Torah says that Noah's sons were black... Now, can a white man produce black children? The answer is no, he can't. According to chemical genetics, it's physiologically impossible. Therefore, the Torah implies that Noah was black, just like his descendants... There is nothing in the Torah that even implies the concept of Noah's son being "cursed" with black skin, and this is a total European Christian fabrication.

                  Then I will rephrase my comment
                  You haven't read the other verse. Or, if you have, you have read it with a preconception, the same preconception that made you put the name of Adam to the soul mentioned in verse 41.
                  It seems that you do not read what you do not want to see in a direct verse from the qur'aan. I wonder if the same "quality" reflects in your reading of the torah you read what you like and you ignore what you do not like (as in the story of Noah).

                  It seems like you have a preconceived notion regarding this NOT referring to Adam, even though everything else clearly implies that it does. This is your error, not mine... Also, I didn't ignore anything from the story of Noah; rather, you added in parts of the story that are totally unfounded and unreasonable, not based on the Torah at all. Is this also what you do regarding the Qur'aan, adding your own ideas into the mix, even if they don't appear in the scripture and aren't implied, promoting your own "quality" of reading the scripture?

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                    Samia
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                    Peace,

                    The Torah says that Noah's sons were black...

                    In what context was the colour of his sons mentioned? Does the Torah usually tells about the color of people whose stories are narrated?
                    Why do you stick to this part and ignore the part about growing a vineyard, getting drunk,lying naked, and gettin? involved in a sexual incident?

                    It seems like you have a preconceived notion regarding this NOT referring to Adam, even though everything else clearly implies that it does.

                    Verse 7189 balances this understanding and refutes the creation of a specific gender from the other . Make an effort to read it with some comprehension.

                    Is this also what you do regarding the Qur'aan, adding your own ideas into the mix, even if they don't appear in the scripture and aren't implied, promoting your own "quality" of reading the scripture?

                    My understanding is not part of the qur'aan, and if I , or anyone else, added to or substracted from the qur'aan, anyone would easily find out, because thre's no European or English copy with more or less material than the original. This is how it's preserved accross time and languages; not like the torah that changes drastically with every translation and within every land.

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                      Peace,

                      Saying that the hebrew Torah is mistranslated is a bit of an exaggeration. True but almost always minimal.

                      The Torah condones Capital punishment for any preach on the major commandments eg. Idolatry, Adultery, Sabbath etc.

                      The LAWS of the Torah should be upheld and they are NOT allegorical.

                      Muslims follow the Torah more than the Jews without even knowing.

                      Christians blame the Muslims for following some teachings of the Torah. I call it 'the abrahamic anomaly'. It proves that the Muslims are drunk and the Christians mock the Torah subconciously.

                      The Torah is an instruction for the Israelite nation for all their generations.

                      There is no afterlife promised to the righteous. Only fertility,lands and crops.

                      The wicked is punished in this world directly or through his seed.

                      The Goyim should avoid the capital crimes to remain safe from God's punishments as outlined in the Noahide Laws.

                      True Torah Judaism in a nutshell.

                      Peace,

                      Rami

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                        Ahmad_Bilal
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                        In what context was the colour of his sons mentioned? Does the Torah usually tells about the color of people whose stories are narrated?
                        Why do you stick to this part and ignore the part about growing a vineyard, getting drunk,lying naked, and gettin? involved in a sexual incident?

                        The Qur'aan doesn't say anything about Noah growing a vineyard, getting drunk, lying naked, or getting involved in a sexual incident. But this does NOT mean this is not what happened; it just means they weren't necessary to mention in the Qur'aan. The Torah mentions them because it is a total sketch of the Israelite history. And because they were black people, this is a feature directly implied in the scripture. Again, it's not about their teaching, it's about their history...

                        Verse 7189 balances this understanding and refutes the creation of a specific gender from the other . Make an effort to read it with some comprehension.

                        This is a flawed interpretation. Just because the Qur'aan uses the term "it" does not mean it's not speaking about a male or female. In fact, the Torah often refers to the soul as "her" (in the feminine), even if it's talking about a man. The Qur'aan does the same thing, and it even does the opposite. For example, G-d is called "He" and "Him" throughout the scripture; but this doesn't mean that "He" is a male, since He is beyond being defined by gender.

                        My understanding is not part of the qur'aan, and if I , or anyone else, added to or substracted from the qur'aan, anyone would easily find out, because thre's no European or English copy with more or less material than the original. This is how it's preserved accross time and languages; not like the torah that changes drastically with every translation and within every land.

                        What's really up with all these anti-Torah speculations?! The Torah has not changed over the years, and the Jewish translations have been properly translated in many languages. The law does NOT change across lands, and the Torah studied today is the same Torah studied thousands of years ago. Why is G-d capable of preserving the Qur'aan, but not capable of preserving the Torah? Is this reasonable to you? Since one confirms the other, then BOTH are most likely preserved, not just the Qur'aan...

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                          Rami
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                          Peace,

                          It seems some people thought I was joking when I said that God is a superman sitting on a throne that sits on waters.

                          I was not!

                          Some people speculate that God has no gender nor does the angels!

                          The truth thay are all males in orientation. No need for sexual organs. The Earth is female in orientation so is the Fire.

                          If gender is not important, why is God mad when people call the angels feminine names?

                          And why God refutes Jesus sonship by denying that he has no a female companion!?

                          The Torah is very clear that God is corporeal. Again the mystic absolutists will say that God is a trancedant one blah blah. God is a superman!

                          Read the scriptures!

                          Peace,

                          Rami

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                            Ahmad_Bilal
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                            Peace,

                            The Torah is very clear that God is corporeal. Again the mystic absolutists will say that God is a trancedant one blah blah. God is a superman!

                            How does the Torah imply that G-d is corporeal?

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                              No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                              Peace,

                              It seems some people thought I was joking when I said that God is a superman sitting on a throne that sits on waters.

                              I was not!

                              Some people speculate that God has no gender nor does the angels!

                              The truth thay are all males in orientation. No need for sexual organs. The Earth is female in orientation so is the Fire.

                              If gender is not important, why is God mad when people call the angels feminine names?

                              And why God refutes Jesus sonship by denying that he has no a female companion!?

                              The Torah is very clear that God is corporeal. Again the mystic absolutists will say that God is a trancedant one blah blah. God is a superman!

                              Read the scriptures!

                              Peace,

                              Rami

                              http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aHWASyMjwg
                              look at what he says when he prostrates

                              I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                Rami
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                                http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aHWASyMjwg
                                look at what he says when he prostrates

                                Yeah transcedant one. He is a friend of mine called Yousef.

                                Whatever man, the scriptures are clear that God is similar to man in form. He has a face, hands, throne to sit on, He can approach a mountain, He will come from the clouds in J-Day, His throne is carried by Angels, His throne was on water etc.

                                Note that God created Man in His own image. Man NOT woman! He is a superman!!!

                                Peace,

                                Rami

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                                  No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                                  Whatever man, the scriptures are clear that God is similar to man in form. He has a face, hands, throne to sit on, He can approach a mountain, He will come from the clouds in J-Day, His throne is carried by Angels, His throne was on water etc.

                                  Evidence is welcomed, if you have any.

                                  Peace

                                  I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                    Evidence is welcomed, if you have any.
                                    Peace

                                    754 Your Lord is God who created the heavens and Earth in six days, then He settled upon the throne. The night runs from the day, which seeks it continually; and the sun and the moon and the stars are all subjected by His command; to Him is the creation and the command. Glory be to God, the Lord of the worlds.

                                    Why did He take six days, because He is a superman creating doing one thing at a time. Then he settled on the Throne. If you think throne means control or management, this is bogus as of the following verse,

                                    2386 Say Who is the Lord of the seven universes and the Lord of the great throne?

                                    The throne is decribed as Great and separate from the Heavens. Thats actually a real throne.

                                    3975 And you will see the angels surrounding the throne, glorifying the praise of their Lord. And it will be judged between them with truth, and it will be said Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds

                                    How da heck can you surround the Throne if its a metaphor.

                                    6917 And the angels will be on its borders, and the throne of your Lord will be carried above them by eight.

                                    Throne is an actual thing!

                                    7143 So when Moses came to Our appointed time, and his Lord spoke to him, he said My Lord, let me look upon you. He said You will not see Me, but look upon the mountain, if it stays in its place then you will see Me. So when his Lord revealed Himself to the mountain, He caused it to crumble; thus Moses fell unconscious. When he awoke, he said Glory be to You, I repent to You and I am the first of those who believe.

                                    Note God told him you WILL see me if it stood in place and He revealed Himself. SUPERMAN!

                                    God is within time,

                                    2247 And they seek you to hasten the retribution; and God will not break His promise. And a day with your Lord is like one thousand of the years you count.

                                    Actually it takes time to reach Him,

                                    325 He arranges matters from the heaven to the Earth, then it ascends to Him in a day which is equivalent to one thousand of the years which you count.

                                    God will come through the clouds with the Angels!

                                    2210 Are they waiting for God to come to them shadowed in clouds with the angels? The matter would then be finished! And to God all matters will return.

                                    The Quran didn't deny it! God will come with Angels carrying the throne and praising Him. The Angels is like God's military!

                                    2525 And the Day when the sky will be filled with clouds, and the angels will be sent down in succession.

                                    3969 And the Earth will shine with the light of its Lord, and the record will be placed, and the prophets and the witnesses will be brought forth; and it will then be judged between them with truth, and they will not be wronged.

                                    God is a King, luminicient superman sitting on a throne moving with His soldiers.

                                    You are the one who must give evidence that God is a singularity trancednant outside of time yada yada yada! peace

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                                      754 Your Lord is God who created the heavens and Earth in six days, then He settled upon the throne. The night runs from the day, which seeks it continually; and the sun and the moon and the stars are all subjected by His command; to Him is the creation and the command. Glory be to God, the Lord of the worlds.

                                      754 Your Lord is God who created the heavens and earth in six days, and then He established the authority. The night covers the day, which seeks it continually; and the sun and the moon and the stars are all subjected to His law; to Him is the creation and the law. Glory be to God, the Lord of the worlds.

                                      Edip-Layth - Quran A Reformist Translation
                                      Edip-Layth - End Note 17 (754)
                                      This verse, like many other verses informs us that God is employing evolution and stages in His creation (419-10; 769; 1528-29; 2445; 2918-20; 327-9; 7114-17). Furthermore, creation in six days provides a yardstick regarding the times allocated for the creation of the earth and the universe. According the Quran the creation of earth took four out of six days. If universe started 13.7 billion years ago, ignoring the possibility of early inflation, then 4/6th of this, would be approximately 9 billion years, which is about 4 billion years more than currently estimated age. According to the Bible, God created the universe for a special purpose (Psalms 1356), and creation shows the power of God (Isaiah 4026,2, His glory and handiwork (Psalms 191), and the wisdom of God (Psalms 10424; 1365). In six days. Exodus 2011; 3117). First day, making light and dividing it from darkness (Genesis 13-5; 2Co 46). Second day, making the firmament or atmosphere, and separating the waters (Genesis 16-. Third day, separating the land from the water, and making it fruitful (Genesis 19-13). Fourth day, placing the sun, moon, and stars to give light (Genesis 114-19). Fifth day, making birds, insects, and fish (Genesis 120-23). Sixth day, making beasts of the earth, and man (Genesis 124,2. God rested on the seventh day (Genesis 22- 3). Those who distorted the revelation in the Bible misunderstood the meaning of the phrase "six days" as "six 24-hour days." According to the Bible, the earth is only 5700-plus years old. The Quran rejects the assertion of God "resting" on the seventh day (503.

                                      2247 They seek you to hasten the retribution; and God will not break His promise. A day with your Lord is like one thousand of the years you count

                                      325 He arranges matters from the heaven to the earth, and then it ascends to Him in a day which is equivalent to one thousand of the years which you count

                                      704 The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day which is equivalent to fifty thousand years

                                      37 He is the One who sent down to you the book, from which there are definite signs; they are the essence of the book; and others, which are multiple-meaning, metaphoric or allegorical. As for those who have disease in their hearts, eager to cause confusion and eager to derive their interpretation, they will follow what is multiple-meaning from it. But none knows their meaning except God and those who are well founded in knowledge; they say, "We acknowledge it, all is from our Lord." None will remember except the people of intellect.

                                      Perhaps you will pay heed.

                                      Peace

                                      I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                                        754 Your Lord is God who created the heavens and earth in six days, and then He established the authority. The night covers the day, which seeks it continually; and the sun and the moon and the stars are all subjected to His law; to Him is the creation and the law. Glory be to God, the Lord of the worlds.

                                        Edip-Layth - Quran A Reformist Translation
                                        Edip-Layth - End Note 17 (754)
                                        This verse, like many other verses informs us that God is employing evolution and stages in His creation (419-10; 769; 1528-29; 2445; 2918-20; 327-9; 7114-17). Furthermore, creation in six days provides a yardstick regarding the times allocated for the creation of the earth and the universe. According the Quran the creation of earth took four out of six days. If universe started 13.7 billion years ago, ignoring the possibility of early inflation, then 4/6th of this, would be approximately 9 billion years, which is about 4 billion years more than currently estimated age. According to the Bible, God created the universe for a special purpose (Psalms 1356), and creation shows the power of God (Isaiah 4026,2, His glory and handiwork (Psalms 191), and the wisdom of God (Psalms 10424; 1365). In six days. Exodus 2011; 3117). First day, making light and dividing it from darkness (Genesis 13-5; 2Co 46). Second day, making the firmament or atmosphere, and separating the waters (Genesis 16-. Third day, separating the land from the water, and making it fruitful (Genesis 19-13). Fourth day, placing the sun, moon, and stars to give light (Genesis 114-19). Fifth day, making birds, insects, and fish (Genesis 120-23). Sixth day, making beasts of the earth, and man (Genesis 124,2. God rested on the seventh day (Genesis 22- 3). Those who distorted the revelation in the Bible misunderstood the meaning of the phrase "six days" as "six 24-hour days." According to the Bible, the earth is only 5700-plus years old. The Quran rejects the assertion of God "resting" on the seventh day (503.

                                        2247 They seek you to hasten the retribution; and God will not break His promise. A day with your Lord is like one thousand of the years you count

                                        325 He arranges matters from the heaven to the earth, and then it ascends to Him in a day which is equivalent to one thousand of the years which you count

                                        704 The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day which is equivalent to fifty thousand years

                                        37 He is the One who sent down to you the book, from which there are definite signs; they are the essence of the book; and others, which are multiple-meaning, metaphoric or allegorical. As for those who have disease in their hearts, eager to cause confusion and eager to derive their interpretation, they will follow what is multiple-meaning from it. But none knows their meaning except God and those who are well founded in knowledge; they say, "We acknowledge it, all is from our Lord." None will remember except the people of intellect.

                                        Perhaps you will pay heed.

                                        Peace

                                        Peace,

                                        Where is the proof?? I gave multiple verses that confirm that God is like a Man. Note that God created Man in the best image. It is the best because it is HIS image. Proof from two texts. Ofcourse the corporeality of God in the Torah is deafening.

                                        You just quoted a mistranslation and then 37.

                                        There is no confusion in the corporeality of God. It is a straightforward rendition of the verses.

                                        Peace,

                                        Rami

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                                          Peace Rami,

                                          "754 Your Lord is God who created the heavens and Earth in six days, then He settled upon the throne. The night runs from the day, which seeks it continually; and the sun and the moon and the stars are all subjected by His command; to Him is the creation and the command. Glory be to God, the Lord of the worlds.

                                          Why did He take six days, because He is a superman creating doing one thing at a time. Then he settled on the Throne. If you think throne means control or management, this is bogus as of the following verse,"

                                          Response Your thinking is flawed, your logic flawed. Why would you reject the option that the God was doing numerous simultaneous tasks in those six days? Do you know the complexity of such creation? Do you even comprehend the creation? If He chose to do it in six days than that is his wish. You have no say in it. Why don?t you show us that you can do a better creation in less than six days?

                                          Moreover, if you allow the God to be like human (superman) than you must allow other creations to think that the creator looks like them. See the dilemma you created via your illogical thinking.

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