JALABIB in the context of v33:59
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Dear Herbman and Q-Student, not an appropriate example. Let me take another shot again with some example. Having compound words is not unusual in languages. Two independent words forming a new word. In English two words "Black" and "Bird". The can be written together to form a new word called a Blackbird for any bird of black color. In addition by an accent on BLACKbird one could imply, the bird that sings. You could note that this compound word does carry meanings of individual words so to call "roots". Same way are "LilMutaqeena" and "Jalabibhuna"
Peace.
Badar
Dear Brother
If one word is compound of two words ,then it is ok.But how can you decide that some word is a compound or single unless you know the language.
I give you an example.
There is an English word cupboard.Two syllables
Cup
Board
Both have different meanings individually but when they become compound they give absolutely a different meaning.
Exactly in the same way ,there are words in the classical arabic and these words are known as " " but we ourselves cannot decide .As per other languages we have to learn the language first in letter and spirit.
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Dear Bkanwar, Kn, all
Why don't you ask the FM Administrators to create a new section under General Issues, Project or wherever is the best dedicated to your method where you can centralise all your articles and posts so you have a central repository with all the informations related to your method. So will avoid repeting your point of view hundred times. Also people interested in your view know where to go straight forward and can either help/criticise/support or just read. This is just a suggestion.
Peace
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Dear Q-Student, again a wrong analogy. There is a branch of linguistics, a science of lnguage, called entomolgy, that traces the origin of words. Here is the entomolgy of word cupboard. It was meant to be what it includes. However it's meaning have changed just like Lilamutaqeena over time. This is a natural linguistic phenomenon, called sementic shift or change.
http//podictionary.com/?p=281Vitaliano Pancaldi Neck Tie
http//www.answers.com/topic/cupboard
It is this science of language, we need to use to understand the message, not the natural art of making sounds that a baby learns, in mothers lap while growing up.
Herbman thanks for suggestion. It is very good idea. I do not know who is the organizer/owner of this site? Do you?
Badar
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If one doesn't have a blog or something, you can create a thread in any appropriate section and list clearly and precisely what your views/methods etc are and link to it via your signature. Make the title clear as to what it contains as well and you can keep adding to it etc. It's relatively easy and imo, better than creating a separate section.
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If one doesn't have a blog or something, you can create a thread in any appropriate section and list clearly and precisely what your views/methods etc are and link to it via your signature. Make the title clear as to what it contains as well and you can keep adding to it etc. It's relatively easy and imo, better than creating a separate section.
Thanks for your suggestion. But you did not answer my question. Who are patrons for this site? Who established it?
Peace,
Badar
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Layth afaik.
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The owner of this site is called Layth Al Shaiban. That is his name. I'm sorry but I don't know how to elaborate any further, maybe I could knight him and call him Sir Layth or something? You can get in touch with him by using the PM system and messaging "Layth", or by sending him an email which you could get off the main site.
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Happy to have helped.
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Separation is often only indicative of writing technique utilized in different script formats. If you look at the Gold Quran script from Johns Hopkins library of archives, recently posted by you, you will see extensive use of separating the letters. If we look at different scripts of the word in question, can the firsr root be Jiim Lam Lam, followed by another word starting with Ba? But we have to very carefully analyze the word and keep an eye on the whole context as well.
Peace brother,
Jiim Lam Lam is not part of the word, why add tashdeed when there isn't?
And Jiim Lam alone do not exist.I am looking into ETYMON to try to explain this word.
Etymon are bi-letters that originally made the word we know.
The so called ROOT in arabic derived/are inherited from the Etymons
I will give more examples later when I will have time, I created a post called Root Theory vs Etymon Theorie.Regards
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In my reseach for the word JALABIB I found out the following
root can be JLBB then if it is the case the class for these 4 letters type root is called in arabic
These 4 letter root words are based on 3-letters roots plus the last letter doubled e.g.
becomes JALABA become JALBABA
or insering between the radicals either a
e.gformed from
reference
http//books.google.com/books?id=uFwUAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA101&lpg=PA101&dq=racine+arabe+quadrilit%C3%A8res&source=bl&ots=rtiXrIzxt2&sig=9bPX4CN2NQVnuECzk1HBuFKZR3g&hl=en&ei=QA02SrGwN9ib-gak3snQCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8Peace
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In a ARAB-French dictionnary nammed Kazimirski we can find JILBAB that also means "slave"
JILBAB any living good (cheap, goat camels or slave) that can be brought to the market and soldreference ARAB-French dictionnary Kazimirski
please if anyone can find such dictionnary online, please share.
So my suspicion was correct to think JILBAB can be someone and not something
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Dear Herbman, I was not questioning your intergarity of research. You had French, book as attachment in your post above. It was just a question, to find out, if you have come across his books English translation. I have not seen so it far.
Badar
Dear Badar,
previous post was intended for all, it was not a specific reply for you )
I was looking for this french dictionnary to proof my saying, which now is done.
For your question I still have to look for it, but in any case I use google as everyone.regards
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Peace,
Here is an hypothesis I will try to develop if God wills, and I hope you can help to support or reject this idea
I seek refuge in God against Satan the banished.
In 3359 we read the following
O prophet! tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad) that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Dal-Nun-Waw (Dal-Nun-Alif) = To be near, come near or low, let down, be akin to.
JALABIB root is JIM-LAM-BA
Also JALIB means the he helped, he assistedAlso PR-Online take the root Jiim-Lam-Ba-Ba = Woman's outer wrapping garment, that which envelopes the whole body, wide garment for a woman, dominion or sovereignty or rule
The whole idea of the verse is to protect the women which are the weakest to be protected from offenses from offenders.
How to protect them? They have to be known, by the offenders.
Once they are known they will be no more offended.
The question is does a piece of tissue protect you against the offenders? Knowing that everyone in these time, men and women were covering their heads and body against sun.The problem is to find the correct meaning of a word which has no other reference in Qur?an, the only occurance we can find is with the root JLB.
Jiim-Lam-Ba = To drive/bring/convey/transport, to draw/attract/procure a thing, gain or earn, seek after or seek to gain, to raise cries/shouts/noises, chide or urge on, to threaten, bring together/assemble/gather/collect, commit a crime or offence, to heal, to help/aid or assist, take or borrow, to seek or demand, to cover or clad oneself.
This occurrence can be found in 1764 and means to assemble/collect/put together
In Lane?s we find JLBB under JLB and means garnement.
SO let?s take the origine of the word to try to understand the context and meaning.
The first meaning is to drive, bring one thing from one country to another or from one town to another. That supports the idea of migrating from one town to another.
So back in the context
By 9100 to 9103 we know some believers moved to Medina, they were the first and therefore a minority in a new town.
Some people from Medina were hypocrites and were therefore offending the minority.
At that time and still now in some countries/town when you are a stranger you are an easy victim for thieves/ aggressors/ offenders etc and that is why GOD promised to the offenders to be killed if they continue in their behaviors.In conclusion
My idea here is that JALABIB does not mean a piece of tissue/ garnment to protect you from the offenders but a PERSON who can help you, defend you from offenders in a foreign town and who is well known by the citizen of that town so the immigrant are safe with him.
So the verse should look like
O prophet! tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should come near/ be near/get closer/ in group from the jilbab (assistant/helper/guide of the town) So these who offend know you and therefore will not offend you and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful
This is an hypothesis and I am looking forward for yours comment to support or reject this idea.
Peace
any thought on this issue?