ARE WOMEN ALLOWED TO INITIATE DIVORCE?
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The "events" to which Farida an Alaraf are referring are there to consult in the forum, can't remember the thread, and Al Araf really did slander and blunder. He really went way beyond, I won't say decency, that he had already done, but beyond wild unbounded fantasy.
I really don't think that important, and I also think that the best way out of tyredness and excess laughing with that person is just to ignore what he (I suppose it is a he) writes, but the point is that I do remember the whole exchange and I want to state that Farida is not exagerating or deviating a bit from truth.
Nevermind, what that person writes is sick, but may be a good thing in that it helps to restate what the Qur'an tenets are not.
Salaam
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The "events" to which Farida an Alaraf are referring are there to consult in the forum, can't remember the thread, and Al Araf really did slander and blunder. He really went way beyond, I won't say decency, that he had already done, but beyond wild unbounded fantasy.
I really don't think that important, and I also think that the best way out of tyredness and excess laughing with that person is just to ignore what he (I suppose it is a he) writes, but the point is that I do remember the whole exchange and I want to state that Farida is not exagerating or deviating a bit from truth.
Nevermind, what that person writes is sick, but may be a good thing in that it helps to restate what the Qur'an tenets are not.
Salaam
Salaam Huruf,
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596857.15
You can recap, what happened in the link above, but I think I would share some more information about my friend whose husband walked out on her last December.
Last week I heard from her husband who had now left his third wife too as things hadn?t worked out between them. He has realised that he has done wrong to his wife (my friend) but can see no going back to her. Sadly he has been diagnosed with Skeletal Cancer. I felt really sorry for him, as he is now on his own and getting treatment for his cancer every three months with no one by his bedside. I knew him well and they were, in many respects, a good couple, but it is on the encouragement from the likes of A_A that a man doesn?t not have to think of his responsibility towards his wife/ves and he is not answerable to anyone if he walks out on them.
This is what A_A wrote ?If the gentleman had married one woman, went on to marry another woman, then married a third woman, all three without giving any one of them a talaq, this gentleman is well within the hudood, he has a right accorded to him by Allah to have more than one wife. To speak ill of his conduct is gheebat, his conduct is that of a momin.?
Now, within a year of this incident, my friend has learned to manage on her own and is quite comfortable by herself, but look who lost out in the end.peace
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Salaam Huruf,
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596857.15
You can recap, what happened in the link above, but I think I would share some more information about my friend whose husband walked out on her last December.
Last week I heard from her husband who had now left his third wife too as things hadn?t worked out between them. He has realised that he has done wrong to his wife (my friend) but can see no going back to her. Sadly he has been diagnosed with Skeletal Cancer. I felt really sorry for him, as he is now on his own and getting treatment for his cancer every three months with no one by his bedside. I knew him well and they were, in many respects, a good couple, but it is on the encouragement from the likes of A_A that a man doesn?t not have to think of his responsibility towards his wife/ves and he is not answerable to anyone if he walks out on them.
This is what A_A wrote ?If the gentleman had married one woman, went on to marry another woman, then married a third woman, all three without giving any one of them a talaq, this gentleman is well within the hudood, he has a right accorded to him by Allah to have more than one wife. To speak ill of his conduct is gheebat, his conduct is that of a momin.?
Now, within a year of this incident, my friend has learned to manage on her own and is quite comfortable by herself, but look who lost out in the end.peace
elektro That is what i said that verse is widely abused by Mohammadens
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salam arnab. you display a characteristics common to new readers of the quran. cut/copy/pasting large sections of dictionaries and lexicons, do not demonstrate depth of study or knowledge, all it demonstrates is computer skills. taking one word out of a dictionary, because it suits your motives, refusing to study the implications of its use, is not quran study.
let me begin with your claim that nisa is not a woman, but simply a person delayed. fahad examined the implications for the claim it means a person delayed, and produced a list of verses that are reduced to incomprehensibility. because your definition reduces verses to incomprehensible, your definition cannot be correct. one verse in particular defies your definition and there is no way around it.
Quran 2222.
men do not menstruate, only women menstruate. this verse says the nisa menstruate. reasonably it is impossible that nisa are men. reasonably nisa can only mean women.
now you throw another random word as a definition for talaq, because it suits your motives, refusing to study the implications of its use. the result is an another incomprehensible.
you claim that talaq means to go on ones way, quit, be free from bond etc.. without studying the implications of these uses in the quran. you present these multiple definitions, not because you know what talaq means, but because you do not know what it means, therefore throwing multiple words from cut/copy/paste is your solution.
let us examine your implication that a woman who has a nikah with a man is as you claim, free to go on ones way, quit, or simply to be free from bond. this is not a novel issue, allah has already issued a judgment with regard to this claim.
Quran 543.
allah commands us to examine the torah for his judgments, and those who turn away are not believers. therefore i turn to the torah as he commands. what does the torah say regarding your claims that a wife may consider herself free to go on her way, quit, or simply be free from bond.
"speak unto the children of israel, and say unto them, if any man's wife go aside and commit a tresspass against him" Torah, Numbers 511
"when the woman drinks the water, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, the curse bearing water shall enter her body to poison her, and her belly shall swell, and her sexual organs shall rupture the woman will be a curse among her people" Torah, Numbers 527
"this is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled" Torah, Numbers 528
any wife who claims she may go aside from her husband, i give her this bitter water to drink. may allah issue and enforce his judgments.
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salam jasmin. do you know that hyenas laugh? your laughter is not an indicator of your superior knowledge.
Unfortunatly, I have spent most of my life surrounded by people who share the same views and attitude like yourself...and when i questioned them...they seemed to have the same response
obviously you have been asking, you have received the same answer, time and time again. those whom you ask have given you the answer. the problem lies not with those who you asked. the problem lies with you, a rejecter, who rejects the answer. do you think you are unique, no, many have gone before you who rejected. read the quran and find out what allah has promised rejecters.
allah is the truth.
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i asked you to present a verse that says husbands and wives are equal, to support your claim. find a sentence that has these three words "husband" "wife" and "equal"
is there evidence to prove they are not?
3195 Their Lord answered them ?I do not waste the work of any worker from among you, be you male or female, you are all as each other. For those who emigrated and were driven-out from their homes and were harmed in My cause, and they fought and were killed, I will remit for them their sins and admit them to paradises with rivers flowing beneath; a reward from God; and God has the best reward.?
husbands and wives are males and females and therefore they are all as each other..
unless u have any proof to show that with the marriage contract male and female become something else that makes them unequal..So if it's not stated in the Quran that it is prohibited for a woman to initiate a divorce, there is no one who can prohibit it. God has already detailed in the Quran what is prohibited..
Al Araf where does God say women are prohibited from initiating divorce?
6119 Why should you not eat that on which God's name has been mentioned, when He has sufficiently detailed to you what has been made forbidden; except what you are forced to? Many misguide by their desires without knowledge; your Lord is fully aware of the transgressors. -
salam jasmin. do you know that hyenas laugh? your laughter is not an indicator of your superior knowledge.
obviously you have been asking, you have received the same answer, time and time again. those whom you ask have given you the answer. the problem lies not with those who you asked. the problem lies with you, a rejecter, who rejects the answer. do you think you are unique, no, many have gone before you who rejected. read the quran and find out what allah has promised rejecters.
allah is the truth.
you need help.
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salam zerda.
is there evidence to prove they are not
yes, there is evidence to prove they are not. husbands are a degree above wives. wives are required to obey their husbands. wives are not equal to husbands.
husbands and wives are males and females and therefore they are all as each other
this is where your problem comes from. all males are not husbands, all females are not wives. you take the rule that says male and female are equal, and then try and say this means husbands and wives are equal, this is your dishonesty. no. males and females are equal. husbands and wives are not equal. learn the difference.
unless u have any proof to show that with the marriage contract male and female become something else that makes them unequal
yes, there is evidence to prove they are not. husbands are a degree above wives. wives are required to obey their husbands.
So if it's not stated in the Quran that it is prohibited for a woman to initiate a divorce, there is no one who can prohibit it. God has already detailed in the Quran what is prohibited
wrong. wives are required to obey their husbands, the husband can prohibit it. allah has prohibited wives from disobeying their husbands.
Al Araf where does God say women are prohibited from initiating divorce?
wives are required to obey their husbands, the husband can prohibit it.
women are prohibited from initiating divorce
this is where you have problems in your brain. you confuse women and wives, females and wives. a wife is a subcategory of women, a wife is a subcategory of females. you are thinking backwards and you are wrong. let me give you another example of your thinking.
a fish is a living creature, a dog is a living creature, therefore fish are dogs.
a female is a woman, a wife is a woman, therefore females are wives.do you see how you make no sense. obviously fish are not dogs. obviously not all females are wives. this is a common weakness of thinking in illiterate people. there is a name for this mistake. it is called "inferring from the general to the specific" a well known logical fallacy.
a woman is general, a wife is specific. you can say all wives are women. you cannot say all women are wives.
when you are not careful, and say things like, women can get a divorce, you already started out wrong, there are many women who are not married, who shall they divorce?
allah is the teacher.
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anyway. god says in the quran not to keep women against their will. If woman does not want, then BELIEVER will not keep her being married with him against woman's will..
Why would a man prohibit his wife from divorcing him? That is called oppression. And oppression is worse than murder..
Nobody can force other to do something against their will. God does not like oppressors...My point is why should a woman marrry if it takes her into a prison like situation?
There is no compulsion in religion. Why should there be a compulsion in marriage?males and females are equal. husbands and wives are not equal. learn the difference
i as a female am equal to my male husband..
wives are required to obey their husbands.
bring proof.
allah has prohibited wives from disobeying their husbands
prove itthe only obedience i've come across with is obeying God, messengers, those with authority..
the husband can prohibit it.
the only things husbands can prohibit, are the things prohibited by GOD. Nobody can make extra prohibitions and force it to someone. God has not prohibited wife to initiate divorce and husband has no right to impose such prohibition on his wife. If he does, he is one of the oppressors that force people doing things against their will. That makes them worse than murderers.. -
salam zerda. once again we have to go over the whole issue with you, because just like others you dont read the quran.
god says in the quran not to keep women against their will
that is forging a lie against allah. the verse says, not to inherit a woman against her will. nothing to do with wives. has to do with women inherited.
i as a female am equal to my male husband.. bring proof.. prove it
the proof is in your hand. allah has given you the quran.
Quran 444.
go play your tricks with ignorant people.
allah is the truth.
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why should a woman marrry if it takes her into a prison like situation?
There is no compulsion in religion. Why should there be a compulsion in marriage?can you answer this, please?
i reapeat this again
the only things husbands can prohibit, are the things prohibited by GOD. Nobody can make extra prohibitions and force it to someone. God has not prohibited wife to initiate divorce and husband has no right to impose such prohibition on his wife.
no ayas to prove your point? If you're telling the truth, then prove it. prove that wives have to obey their husbands. Bring reference please. And also please bring reference to your argument that Allah has prohibited wives from disobeying their husbands!
where in the Quran does it say that husband got right to keep his wife with him even if she does not want it? If God does not force His religion on people, why would God suggest that husband got right to keep his wife as his prisoner?
i stick to my point that wife as a female got equal rights to her husband as a male. male and female they are equal to one another. All females and all males are equal. Saying that men are superior to women is contradicting the previous statement. They may have different roles in life but that's all.
you confuse women and wives, females and wives. a wife is a subcategory of women, a wife is a subcategory of females.
Not all females are wives, but all wives are female
Not all males are husbands, but all husbands are male.
If male is equal to female
then husband is equal to wifethis is just some simple logic.
if something applies to general category, it must also apply to its sub-categories.
a fish is a living creature, a dog is a living creature, therefore fish are dogs.
a female is a woman, a wife is a woman, therefore females are wives.category living creatures
sub categories dogs and fish.
therefore dogs and fish are living creatures.category females
sub category women and wives
therefore women and wives are femalesThat's what i can remember from my logic lessons..
do you see how you make no sense. obviously fish are not dogs. obviously not all females are wives. this is a common weakness of thinking in illiterate people. there is a name for this mistake. it is called "inferring from the general to the specific" a well known logical fallacy.that what you posted, was your logic. As you can see, it has nothing to do with my logic..
You are trying to tell me that as a wife i have no rights God has given me as a female. Sorry if it annoys you, but being a wife does not stop me from being a female. I am both. At the same time ) Therefore equality law must apply for me weather you like it or not. As long as i keep being female i am equal to males. (unless you can prove that i'm not a female ) )
and I am a wife. Therefore all the laws that God has given me as a wife, apply to me as well.
If you believe that husband is not equal to his wife.. then.. you have found a contradiction in the quran.. congrats! you just proved its from other than God. -
salam zerda.
yes, there is evidence to prove they are not. husbands are a degree above wives. wives are required to obey their husbands. wives are not equal to husbands.
this is where your problem comes from. all males are not husbands, all females are not wives. you take the rule that says male and female are equal, and then try and say this means husbands and wives are equal, this is your dishonesty. no. males and females are equal. husbands and wives are not equal. learn the difference.
yes, there is evidence to prove they are not. husbands are a degree above wives. wives are required to obey their husbands.
wrong. wives are required to obey their husbands, the husband can prohibit it. allah has prohibited wives from disobeying their husbands.
wives are required to obey their husbands, the husband can prohibit it.
this is where you have problems in your brain. you confuse women and wives, females and wives. a wife is a subcategory of women, a wife is a subcategory of females. you are thinking backwards and you are wrong. let me give you another example of your thinking.
a fish is a living creature, a dog is a living creature, therefore fish are dogs.
a female is a woman, a wife is a woman, therefore females are wives.do you see how you make no sense. obviously fish are not dogs. obviously not all females are wives. this is a common weakness of thinking in illiterate people. there is a name for this mistake. it is called "inferring from the general to the specific" a well known logical fallacy.a woman is general, a wife is specific. you can say all wives are women. you cannot say all women are wives.
when you are not careful, and say things like, women can get a divorce, you already started out wrong, there are many women who are not married, who shall they divorce?
allah is the teacher.salam zerda. i give you the hukum of allah.
Quran 434
Quran 2228
allah is the law.
hmm
My Arabic is not that great, I want to learn the difference &. please some one explain Are all Rijaal, husbands and all Nisa, wives ??? I do not see any specific referece to a husband muscle or a wife '( in the verses above. -