Beating wife theory is negated by Qur'aan=4:34
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and you people make them surfaced/evident/move them out from the bed rooms .
bravo bravo
This is the correct explanation of the word, especially when we compare the actions taken before (advise them, keep away from their beds), which are confined to the home/done in the privacy of the house; and the action taken after taking the case to the court/arbitrators.I slightly differ in my understanding of this part
and distance/shift them away from yourselves inside the bed rooms
You do not shift them away, you stay away from them. This is not a "punishment" to her in as much as a punishment to him. In fact it's not a punishment at all, but a test for the husband to see how life would be away from her/her intimacy; maby then he will see the bright side (by missing it) and then find that it is not so difficult to put up with her nushuuz.
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I would like to draw the attention to the fact that these wives are not the dependent wives, but these are the ones who support the husband. It's interesting to see that the verse gives two examples of females in this verse. This is normal in the qur'aan (6610-12)
6610Allah citeth an example for those who disbelieve the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot, who were under two of Our righteous slaves yet betrayed them so that they (the husbands) availed them naught against Allah and it was said (unto them) Enter the Fire along with those who enter.
6611And Allah citeth an example for those who believe the wife of Pharaoh when she said My Lord! Build for me a home with thee in the Garden, and deliver me from Pharaoh and his work, and deliver me from evil-doing folk;
6612And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, whose body was chaste, therefor We breathed therein something of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.
The examples of the two women in this verse are examples of "rijal" women who are bread winners. I do not see any meaning in giving example of those you support. The qur'aan does not describe them except as vulnerable. Nothing about their manners or faith. The description is always for active people.
The first kind are ( / the good doers are pious, keeping the secret) the secret that they are supporting the husband. This throws a shadow on the meaning of "nushuz arrogance/rising abnormally). This when the wife starts bragging and boasting about how much she spends and does not keep the secret.
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I would like to draw the attention to the fact that these wives are not the dependent wives, but these are the ones who support the husband. It's interesting to see that the verse gives two examples of females in this verse. This is normal in the qur'aan (6610-12)
6610Allah citeth an example for those who disbelieve the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot, who were under two of Our righteous slaves yet betrayed them so that they (the husbands) availed them naught against Allah and it was said (unto them) Enter the Fire along with those who enter.
6611And Allah citeth an example for those who believe the wife of Pharaoh when she said My Lord! Build for me a home with thee in the Garden, and deliver me from Pharaoh and his work, and deliver me from evil-doing folk;
6612And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, whose body was chaste, therefor We breathed therein something of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.
The examples of the two women in this verse are examples of "rijal" women who are bread winners. I do not see any meaning in giving example of those you support. The qur'aan does not describe them except as vulnerable. Nothing about their manners or faith. The description is always for active people.
The first kind are ( / the good doers are pious, keeping the secret) the secret that they are supporting the husband. This throws a shadow on the meaning of "nushuz arrogance/rising abnormally). This when the wife starts bragging and boasting about how much she spends and does not keep the secret.
why a wife should keep this a secret that she is supporting her family?
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Because it's nobody's business.
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but one can choose not to interfere. I respectfully would disagree with you on that interpretation.
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Why should anyone interfer? Interfer in what?
If you are unemployed, would you like your wife to tell evrybody that you are not working and she is the one supporting you and buying you cigars, which you burn?in a family everyone support each other, there is nothing to hide. If one is being lazy and prefer to be like that wife must not keep it a secrete. and if one is trying hard and in the meanwhile wife is supporting the family that would be fine.
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I slightly differ in my understanding of this part
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and distance/shift them away from yourselves inside the bed roomsYou do not shift them away, you stay away from them. This is not a "punishment" to her in as much as a punishment to him. In fact it's not a punishment at all, but a test for the husband to see how life would be away from her/her intimacy; maby then he will see the bright side (by missing it) and then find that it is not so difficult to put up with her nushuuz.
Sister,
The word used is . And the basic perception in the Root of this word at all 31 occurences is physical change of location/placing. For staying away,another word is used in 4129. This physical distancing is within the four walls of bed rooms which has only one connotation, and very apparent. But this brekage/Hijr is not apparent to other members of the family, they remain under the false perception that both are enjoying normal relations because they cant peep to find both are on two different locations. If the "breakage" is to prolong even in that case the safe course is to make the wife move out of the bed room since by certain gestures she can make a healthy husbands nights sleepless and heavy upon him.
Allah does not permit that the atmosphere inside the bed room should be such which is untrue to the general perception prevailing in the minds of the people outside the bed room. For this reason, Allah has said that the affairs can not be left to the whims of husband. If he has taken oath not to sleep with his wife Allah has given him four months to decide either way, break his oath in which case he will find Allah forgiving mercifully; in other words Allah is prompting such husband to break his oath, or openly announce divorce so that people know he is not having sex with his wife; but in that case he will not find Allah as forgiving but as listner and knower which create an obligation for judgment. -
Because it's nobody's business.
Peace
Nashooz (Betrayal) is a violation of the contract ,no matter if it is carried out by the woman or man. It is a serious matter because whole family including children are affected morally.It has to be punished.
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Peace
Nashooz (Betrayal) is a violation of the contract ,no matter if it is carried out by the woman or man. It is a serious matter because whole family including children are affected morally.It has to be punished.
Regardswhat is the punishment of a husband if he nushuz?
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what is the punishment of a husband if he nushuz?
Peace
Because female is physically weak ,she will make the "state " to interfere.581
(581) Allah *1 has indeed heard the words of the woman who is pleading with you concerning her husband and is making her complaint to Allah. Allah is hearing your mutual conversation *2 . He is All-Hearing, All-Seeing.]
Any complaint on the part of the woman the "state" should address it.If the husband is found guilty ,he will be punished accordingly.
Regards
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Peace
Nashooz (Betrayal) is a violation of the contract ,no matter if it is carried out by the woman or man. It is a serious matter because whole family including children are affected morally.It has to be punished.
RegardsWhy punished? She did not tell a lie she is supporting him. What's the punishment for being arrogant?
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Peace
Because female is physically weak ,she will make the "state " to interfere.thats why we should beat her if she is guilty of nushuz? what is the punishment of a husband if he is guilty of nushuz?
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Peace
Because female is physically weak ,she will make the "state " to interfere.581
(581) Allah *1 has indeed heard the words of the woman who is pleading with you concerning her husband and is making her complaint to Allah. Allah is hearing your mutual conversation *2 . He is All-Hearing, All-Seeing.]
Any complaint on the part of the woman the "state" should address it.If the husband is found guilty ,he will be punished accordingly.
Regards
Any punishment is the business of the community. No individual has the right to judge and/or punish another.
And this is a twisted logic because a woman is physically weak, the husband has the right to beat her up?! -
thats why we should beat her if she is guilty of nushuz? what is the punishment of a husband if he is guilty of nushuz?
But where is the punishment for wives for their Nashooz?
Advise, is it called punishment anywhere?
Remove her away to seperate bed inside the bed room--don't have sex with her--who calls it punishment? For healthy husband it is other way round, self punishment.
Remove her from bed room into other part of the house---is it punishment?
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But where is the punishment for wives for their Nashooz?
Advise, is it called punishment anywhere?
Remove her away to seperate bed inside the bed room--don't have sex with her--who calls it punishment? For healthy husband it is other way round, self punishment.
Remove her from bed room into other part of the house---is it punishment?
Women also have their needs laugh
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But where is the punishment for wives for their Nashooz?
Advise, is it called punishment anywhere?
Remove her away to seperate bed inside the bed room--don't have sex with her--who calls it punishment? For healthy husband it is other way round, self punishment.
Remove her from bed room into other part of the house---is it punishment?
Dear brother, I agree with you, am asking q_student who implied "nushuz has to be punished" and according to him 434 says "punish her" so where is punishment of husband is mentioned? when nushuz on part of husband is mentioned it says why the two different remedies for same act? Is nushuz of husband different than nushuz of wife?
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Women also have their needs laugh
The funny thing is when nushuz is explained by traditionalists as (when the wife refuses to sleep with the husband). It will be silly to consider such an act as a punishment to the wife, when actually she would say "good riddance"!