Beating wife theory is negated by Qur'aan=4:34
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peace QS,
It is 1st column on left, middle.
Peace Brother
First of all I thank you for the help. But this meaning of "Prevention or Prohibition" is not that of "" but of " " which has meaning of "He struck his hand" but figuratively it has two meanings
1He struck a bargain
2He prevented himIf the Quranic verse would have been " then this translation would have been absolutely perfect.This is an idiomatic expression and The Quran is NOT USING IT IN THE DISPUTED VERSE MEANINGS.
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"The book of the 3ain" by al Khaleel ibn Ahmad, the first classical dictionary, gives these meanings for the word "dharaba" (sorry, in Arabic). Inerestingly, none means "to strike"; some mean, indirectly to strike with a sword
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Peace,
In marriage, a women must obey her husband in all marital issues in exchange to the gift and caretaking done by the husband. He has the upper hand.
Nushuz means total rebellion and disregard of the husband. Nushuz doesn't come immediately but in stages.
If you fear your wife is going to a state of nushuz, you must act, otherwise, she will disregard you completely ie. Nushuz.
To avoid nushuz, doing the three steps including beating, the final and corporeal punishment, is enough to avoid nushuz.
Peace,
Rami
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peace QS,
I never said this is the meaning of DRB in 434.
I am hesitant of coupling meanings to prepositions in the sense that it cannot mean anything else but XYZ with this preposition, but we can add notes to various meanings in PRL, as it is a work in progress. I have made a note of it.
Perhaps you can help out with something. Are there any examples of beat or strike by a human against another human in which no additional clarifying words or prepositions are used in any Classical Arabic dictionary? What I have personally noticed on this topic is the shocking lack of information there is from Classical Arabic dictionaries in the articles for those who advocate "beat" or even "strike".
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Peace,
In marriage, a women must obey her husband in all marital issues in exchange to the gift and caretaking done by the husband. He has the upper hand.
Nushuz means total rebellion and disregard of the husband. Nushuz doesn't come immediately but in stages.
If you fear your wife is going to a state of nushuz, you must act, otherwise, she will disregard you completely ie. Nushuz.
To avoid nushuz, doing the three steps including beating, the final and corporeal punishment, is enough to avoid nushuz.
Peace,
Rami
yeah
and if by any chance the man is not the "caretaker and provider" or not the only one, then what ? they can't be muslims ?
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peace QS,
I never said this is the meaning of DRB in 434.
I am hesitant of coupling meanings to prepositions in the sense that it cannot mean anything else but XYZ with this preposition, but we can add notes to various meanings in PRL, as it is a work in progress. I have made a note of it.
Perhaps you can help out with something. Are there any examples of beat or strike by a human against another human in which no additional clarifying words or prepositions are used in any Classical Arabic dictionary? What I have personally noticed on this topic is the shocking lack of information there is from Classical Arabic dictionaries in the articles for those who advocate "beat" or even "strike".
Dear Brother
You saidpeace QS,
I never said this is the meaning of DRB in 434.
True you never said but you did not object TS to attach meanings of an idiom to the verb when I asked for reference.
You saidI am hesitant of coupling meanings to prepositions in the sense that it cannot mean anything else but XYZ with this preposition, but we can add notes to various meanings in PRL, as it is a work in progress. I have made a note of it.
That is your own opinion and you have all to right to own it. But any language treats verbs and their idiom differently."To break " and "to break out" cannot be treated similarly in English as far as meanings are concerned.
Regards
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peace QS,
I was not even conversing with ts11 in this thread. If you thought it was wrong, you could have said why. In any case, Lane is only one Classical Arabic dictionary, for example, Dictionary of Holy Quran which utilises several Classical Arabic dictionaries states "prevent" but does not mention a prespotion or conditions on it. Since you have access to other Classical Arabic dictionaries, we can only assume you have either not checked them or have checked them and found "prevent/restrain" etc can only be with such conditions etc. God knows best.
That is your own opinion and you have all to right to own it. But any language treats verbs and their idiom differently."To break " and "to break out" cannot be treated similarly in English as far as meanings are concerned.
It is not all opinion, for example 'drb fi al ard' can be treated the same as 'drb al ard' according to the above mentioned book, and I am sure there are other examples.
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peace QS,
. Since you have access to other Classical Arabic dictionaries, we can only assume you have either not checked them or have checked them and found "prevent/restrain" etc can only be with such conditions etc. God knows best.
Dear Brother
One should not assume without any evidence. The Holy Quran forbids such assumptions.It would have been much better ,if you had asked me whether I consulted other Classical dictioanaries for this meaning or not.
My answer is yes I tried my level best but I could not find that the verb "dharaba" means "restraints or Prevention".
I will be extremely happy if someone could help us in this matter. -
peace QS,
But if you researched such a thing, why not mention it? In any case, I asked of you the following
Perhaps you can help out with something. Are there any examples of beat or strike by a human against another human in which no additional clarifying words or prepositions are used in any Classical Arabic dictionary?
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Peace,
In marriage, a women must obey her husband in all marital issues in exchange to the gift and caretaking done by the husband. He has the upper hand.
Nushuz means total rebellion and disregard of the husband. Nushuz doesn't come immediately but in stages.
If you fear your wife is going to a state of nushuz, you must act, otherwise, she will disregard you completely ie. Nushuz.
To avoid nushuz, doing the three steps including beating, the final and corporeal punishment, is enough to avoid nushuz.
Peace,
Rami
Of course you will have to marry a weak woman or one who does not have strong males/females in her family or circle of friends; and you should be a physically strong man with no disability. Otherwise, tell me, who would beat up this one
http//xtremeupload.com/free-images/image.php?id=973C_49F32BAC
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Of course you will have to marry a weak woman or one who does not have strong males/females in her family or circle of friends; and you should be a physically strong man with no disability. Otherwise, tell me, who would beat up this one
http//xtremeupload.com/free-images/image.php?id=973C_49F32BAC
A professional wrestler
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Peace,
In marriage, a women must obey her husband in all marital issues in exchange to the gift and caretaking done by the husband. He has the upper hand.
of course a woman must obey her husband, how can you go against the one who is feeding you? that would be unethical. husband surely has the upper hand and UPPERposition plus two hands of his wife as well. and if after all the scaretaking a husband fears nushuz he has god given right to beat her wife elhamdulillah. god knows better, we do not.
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of course a woman must obey her husband, how can you go against the one who is feeding you? that would be unethical. husband surely has the upper hand and UPPERposition plus two hands of his wife as well. and if after all the scaretaking a husband fears nushuz he has god given right to beat her wife elhamdulillah. god knows better, we do not.
With such an understanding, anybody feeding another has the right to beat them up if they do not "obey" them, but in the end, you cannot beat someone who is stronger than you. This means that this remedy goes only for the strong against the weak, and weaker, older husbands and husbands who are sick and/or with disabilities are deprived of this "God-given right". Same goes to wives a stronger richer wife, a wife whose father or a relative is a man of authority, a gangster or just one who is ready to hire a gangster to revenge for his dughter/sister/relative/friend cannot be beaten up. And what shall we end up with? The stronger spouse beating up the helpless one....and you call this a God-given right? No, this is "domestic violence", not a godly right given to a violent, unkind arrogant person who commands the weaker to "obey" them.
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of course a woman must obey her husband, how can you go against the one who is feeding you? that would be unethical. husband surely has the upper hand and UPPERposition plus two hands of his wife as well. and if after all the scaretaking a husband fears nushuz he has god given right to beat her wife elhamdulillah. god knows better, we do not.
What if the wife was feeding the husband? ;D
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In that case, if I was responsible for my old grandma I will beat her up and she can't do anything about it because I am feeding her )
Take a look at your own mother. Will you be happy if your dad beat her up simply because he was afraid?
Are you married? I hope not. I hope you never do until you realise the worth of a woman.
