Alif; Laam and Meem with ancillary glyph/prolongation sign
-
Peace RasulHamsa,
2145 And even if you bring to those who have been given the Book every sign they would not follow your qiblah, nor can you be a follower of their qiblah, neither are they the followers of each other's qiblah, and if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, then you shall most surely be among the unjust.
2148 And every one has a direction to which he should turn, therefore hasten to (do) good works; wherever you are, Allah will bring you all together; surely Allah has power over all things
Purpose serves as a principle around which to organize our lives.
so what is your QIBLA??You are precisely right. This is why the truth shines even in Layth's erroneous translation
- We see the shifting of your face towards the sky; We will thus set for you a focal point that will be pleasing to you ?You shall set yourself towards the Sacred Temple; and wherever you may be, you shall all set yourselves towards it.?Those who have been given the Scripture know it is the truth from their Lord. And God is not unaware of what you do.
Even from Layth's erroneous translation we can see that "al-masjid al-haram" is nothing other than "the truth from our lord". So our focal point should be the truth from our lord. In other words, as you said, the truth from our lord provides the principles around which we organize our lives. It is instituting the truth from our lord in our personal lives and govenment. So "al-masjid al-haram" is primarily an institution and not a superficial four walls and a roof.
- Those to whom We have given the Scripture know it as they know their own children; and a group of them hides the truth while they know.
Those who were given the book (not a map to Mecca or anywhere else) know it ("al-masjid al-haram" as they know their own children. No one here or anywhere knows Mecca or anything in it as they know their own children. On the other hand, deep inside those who were given the book know the truth from their lord but most of them hide it.
Peace,
Ayman
-
Frankly speaking You are an idiot as well an emotionalist. Senseless talk. No discussion.
Actually agreed with most if not all that he said.
As for where I face during prayer, why the heck does it matter. It's not like you can ever even pinpoint the exact direction to Mecca's ka'ba. It will always be off.
And it's no wonder I've always realized PROSTRATING TO A DAMN CUBE borders on idol worship. Imo it's even worse that prostrating to a quran.
-
We, true Muslims, do not believe in directions; Jews and Christians sanctify directions. While we are inside the Masjid alharam we stand in the circle for the congregational prayer so that each one confronts, is face to face to Ka'aba. Thus all 360 directions are covered. And when you are away, then it is said confront/be face to face Masjidal haram, since there people say congregational prayers in a straight row because of which every one will not be face to face to Ka'aba.
Who are particular fools referred to in 2142??
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.02.C.142.htm
-
Interesting discussion!
Mazhar, what do you mean by covering 360 directions? It is believed that there were 360 idols in and arround kaabah.
We, true Muslims, do not believe in directions; Jews and Christians sanctify directions. While we are inside the Masjid alharam we stand in the circle for the congregational prayer so that each one confronts, is face to face to Ka'aba. Thus all 360 directions are covered. And when you are away, then it is said confront/be face to face Masjidal haram, since there people say congregational prayers in a straight row because of which every one will not be face to face to Ka'aba.
Who are particular fools referred to in 2142??
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.02.C.142.htm
-
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.011.gif
Alif; consonants of Arabic alphabet ( ‎, Laa'm and Mee'm. Initial letter Alif has no speech sound and is not conjoined with the succeeding consonants of the word, while Laam and Meem are conjoined, and both have above them ancillary glyph/prolongation sign/mark which extends/stretches the sound value of the letter to which it is added. It reflects that the Book in hand is in the language that has letters and other marks, representing that its writing system is letter-diacritic combination based, resulting in the combination of sounds that form a syllable, rather than a single sound.The prolongation mark reflects that the following letter is still with which it is joined resulting in pause as consonant ends with still resulting in natural pause in its pronunciation "Laa'm". And so has the consonant the prolongation sign suggesting that it is to be pronounced with stretched sound to make last still letter vivid in sound ending in natural pause "Mee'm- ". Prolongation sign will also appear when the following consonant is "Hamza, " which can distinctly and audibly be pronounced only if the preceding letter is pronounced elongate. It may be noted that the prolongation sign is not the equivalent nor it represents hamza followed by alif.
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/030.%20Ar%20Rume/030.%20Ar%20Rome.htm
-
Salam Mazhar, all
i read all this discussion from the begining and i can tell you this1 - You didn't answer any of the logical questions Ayman and others have raised in this topic. But instead, you ended insulting people and calling names like "idiot" and "mentally under aged".
2 - You did not give a single proof (archeological or historical ) of mecca being known as a famous city before 8th century. the burden of proof is upon you.
3 - Quoting from your colorful website didn't help in any way the purpose of this discussion.
4 - Do you really believe that a muslim should circumvulate around a stone cube and kiss a black piece of meteorite ?? if so, you'll have a lot of trouble with your (sunni/shiaa) religion.Salam all
-
Salam Mazhar, all
i read all this discussion from the begining and i can tell you this1 - You didn't answer any of the logical questions Ayman and others have raised in this topic. But instead, you ended insulting people and calling names like "idiot" and "mentally under aged".
2 - You did not give a single proof (archeological or historical ) of mecca being known as a famous city before 8th century. the burden of proof is upon you.
3 - Quoting from your colorful website didn't help in any way the purpose of this discussion.
4 - Do you really believe that a muslim should circumvulate around a stone cube and kiss a black piece of meteorite ?? if so, you'll have a lot of trouble with your (sunni/shiaa) religion.Salam all
Read this and answer if you are truthful
Quote from ayman on August 20, 2009, 072609 PM
Peace Mazhar,You don't even understand a single word from the above. Any idiot can mindlessly copy and paste verses. If you undertand anything them please translate the above passages and I will show you where the location is. There is no point in giving the location if you don't even understand the basics.
Good so like you translated this passage, translate the above. In your translation you say "make this valley/locality a place of peace". Is Mecca a place of peace? How many people get trampled to death every year while they get pushed and shoved by people trying to kiss a Black Stone or stone three oblisks? Hundreds of people died in an armed rebellion in Mecca back in the seventies. In the eightees thousands of Iranian pilgrims were trapped and killed by security forces. Etc. Etc. Doesn't sound like a safe place.
Also, you say whoever enters it is safe. Did you or anyone you know ever entered it? Please don't lie.
Peace,
Ayman
I thought I was in duscussion with a literary person.
And when We appointed/declared/made "The House" the place of pilgrimage/return/assembly for people
and a place of safety/shelter/amnesty;
and for them to adopt the standing place of Iebra'heim as a standing/assembly place of sa'laat;
and We enjoined/imposed a pledge/duty upon Iebra'heim and Iesma'eile
that they should maintain/manage the cleanliness/sanctity of My House for those people who circle around it, and stay around it, and for the purpose of bowing and prostration of people.
Allah has appointed/declared the Sanctified House Al-Ka'abata enduringly a place of assembly/stay/congregation for the people.
If you find time you may find that it is not mindlessly copy and paste by an idiot, please see the translation by me here
http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.01.A.htmI would be happy if you point out mistakes or anyhypothetical assertions therein. Now can you tell me which one is "My House" and in which city it is located?
Quote from ayman on August 20, 2009, 072609 PM
Peace Mazhar,You don't even understand a single word from the above. Any idiot can mindlessly copy and paste verses. If you undertand anything them please translate the above passages and I will show you where the location is. There is no point in giving the location if you don't even understand the basics.
Good so like you translated this passage, translate the above. In your translation you say "make this valley/locality a place of peace". Is Mecca a place of peace? How many people get trampled to death every year while they get pushed and shoved by people trying to kiss a Black Stone or stone three oblisks? Hundreds of people died in an armed rebellion in Mecca back in the seventies. In the eightees thousands of Iranian pilgrims were trapped and killed by security forces. Etc. Etc. Doesn't sound like a safe place.
Also, you say whoever enters it is safe. Did you or anyone you know ever entered it? Please don't lie.
Peace,
Ayman
I thought I was in duscussion with a literary person.
And when We appointed/declared/made "The House" the place of pilgrimage/return/assembly for people
and a place of safety/shelter/amnesty;
and for them to adopt the standing place of Iebra'heim as a standing/assembly place of sa'laat;
and We enjoined/imposed a pledge/duty upon Iebra'heim and Iesma'eile
that they should maintain/manage the cleanliness/sanctity of My House for those people who circle around it, and stay around it, and for the purpose of bowing and prostration of people.
Allah has appointed/declared the Sanctified House Al-Ka'abata enduringly a place of assembly/stay/congregation for the people.
If you find time you may find that it is not mindlessly copy and paste by an idiot, please see the translation by me here
http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/002.01.A.htmI would be happy if you point out mistakes or anyhypothetical assertions therein.
Now can you tell me which one is "My House" and in which city it is located?Now can you tell me which one is "My House" and in which city it is located?
-
Peace,
1 - It is YOU who understand/translate " " as meaning House !!
Try to be honest with yourself don't you see that "bayt/ " means something else than a physical house ??
we you read all the occurences of this word in the quran, not a single time do you find that it doesn't mean a physical house ?
2 - if you understand that the stone cube in Mecca is the house of God (read it again at loud to see how it's ringing in your ear) then, why should one circle it from outside ?? why aren't we invited INside ?? if you invited me at your house, should i have dinner outside ??
And the most important.... Why the hell should GOD have a house ???????? does He hate Hotels ?? rotflthink of it again and again, it's not very hard to wash yourself from the sunni/shiaa/pagan dirt ...
salam
-
Peace,
1 - It is YOU who understand/translate " " as meaning House !!
Try to be honest with yourself don't you see that "bayt/ " means something else than a physical house ??
we you read all the occurences of this word in the quran, not a single time do you find that it doesn't mean a physical house ?
2 - if you understand that the stone cube in Mecca is the house of God (read it again at loud to see how it's ringing in your ear) then, why should one circle it from outside ?? why aren't we invited INside ?? if you invited me at your house, should i have dinner outside ??
And the most important.... Why the hell should GOD have a house ???????? does He hate Hotels ?? rotflthink of it again and again, it's not very hard to wash yourself from the sunni/shiaa/pagan dirt ...
salam
Evasive answer as pagans do.
-
I cannot give an answer that you'll like because you are asking the wrong questions .
You want to know where is the "house of god" and in which city !!??
Okay here's my answer again
"house of god" is not a location, it's an institution, a principle,... it's monotheisme
salam
Evasive answer as pagans do.
you know far better than me what pagans do rotfl
-
"house of god" it's monotheisme- but then it is restrictively located in a particular locality, which is that town?
quickduck and mazhar were arguing about what would be that black animal 2 miles away far from them..
mazhar said i bet it's a cow !
quickduck no , it's a crow !
Mazhar i'm sure it's a cow !
quickduck open your eyes dude, it's a crow !
Mazhar NO , it's a cow i said !!!!!
suddenly, this black thing took off , spread wings and flew in the sky...
quickduck you see ? i was right
Mazhar Altough it flies, it's a cow !!!!!!!!!!!!!Salam all ,
-
quickduck and mazhar were arguing about what would be that black animal 2 miles away far from them..
mazhar said i bet it's a cow !
quickduck no , it's a crow !
Mazhar i'm sure it's a cow !
quickduck open your eyes dude, it's a crow !
Mazhar NO , it's a cow i said !!!!!
suddenly, this black thing took off , spread wings and flew in the sky...
quickduck you see ? i was right
Mazhar Altough it flies, it's a cow !!!!!!!!!!!!!Salam all ,
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/022.%20Al%20Hajj/Temp%2001%2022.26.gif
And when We earmarked for Iebra'heim the site/plot of the House ,
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/022.%20Al%20Hajj/22.26c.gif
that " You never associate with Me anything,
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/022.%20Al%20Hajj/022.%20A4.gif
and you maintain/manage the cleanliness/sanctity of My House for those people who circle around it/"circum gyration" and stay around it, and for the purpose of bowing and prostration of people.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/022.%20Al%20Hajj/22.27.gif
And you pronounce amongst the people for Hajj ,
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/022.%20Al%20Hajj/22.27a.gif
they will come to you on foot and upon each and every ride, they coming from every deep and distant mountain highways;http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/022.%20Al%20Hajj/022.C%20%20Al%20Hajj.htm
-
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/022.%20Al%20Hajj/Temp%2001%2022.26.gif
And when We earmarked for Iebra'heim the site/plot of the House ,
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/022.%20Al%20Hajj/22.26c.gif
that " You never associate with Me anything,
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/022.%20Al%20Hajj/022.%20A4.gif
and you maintain/manage the cleanliness/sanctity of My House for those people who circle around it/"circum gyration" and stay around it, and for the purpose of bowing and prostration of people.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/022.%20Al%20Hajj/22.27.gif
And you pronounce amongst the people for Hajj ,
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/022.%20Al%20Hajj/22.27a.gif
they will come to you on foot and upon each and every ride, they coming from every deep and distant mountain highways;http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/022.%20Al%20Hajj/022.C%20%20Al%20Hajj.htm
From where did you get the translation that "hajj" means ''pilgrimage to kaaba'' ??
can you bring proofs that all the prophets after Abraham ever did this pilgrimage ??
Salam
P.S i'm pretty sure you will not answer except evasively ... nope
-
they will come to you on foot and upon each and every ride, they coming from every deep and distant mountain highways
Where/which place would they come? Can you point out at which place was he where people were to come to him?
I say it was obviously the place where people are required to go for Hajj of the Bait, and that is Ka'aba. If you do not agree then you answer the question above.
-
Where/which place would they come? Can you point out at which place was he where people were to come to him?
I say it was obviously the place where people are required to go for Hajj of the Bait, and that is Ka'aba. If you do not agree then you answer the question above.
as i expected, no real answer !
here are the questions again , pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase answer1- From where did you get the translation that "hajj" means ''pilgrimage to kaaba'' ??
(i mean is there any word for it in previous religions, since this "hajj" thing started from the era of Abraham ?)2 - can you bring proofs that all the prophets after Abraham ever did this pilgrimage ??
( i mean archelogical, historical, etc...proofs that Abraham and all the prophets after Him, as well as the "people" who he called on, really came to "your" Mecca and did pigrimage to ''your'' Kaaba Before islamic era ? )If you don't know the answer, be brave and tell everybody and yourself that you're following nothing but conjectures .
Moreover, these "conjectures" seems to be more related to paganism than to real "monotheism" . you cannot ignore that !
Salam
-
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/003.%20Aale%20Imran/03.92-7.gif
Indeed/undoubtedly the FIRST House which was appointed/ built/placed on the Earth for the mankind is undoubtedly that one which is at Becca/Mecca; its peculiarity/prominent characteristic is its permanence/stability and is apparent/raised above the ground emblem of guidance for the mankind.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/003.%20Aale%20Imran/03.92-8.gif
In its peculiar distinct features is the place of Iebra'heim and whoever entered therein he gets secure/amnesty.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/003.%20Aale%20Imran/03.92-9.gif
And it is obligation from Allah for the one who has the capacity and wherewithal for travel he should decide to visit/perform Huj of The House.
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/003.%20Aale%20Imran/03.92-11.gif
And whoever refused the discharge of this obligation,
http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/003.%20Aale%20Imran/03.92-10.gif
then indeed Allah is the Absolutely Independent, free from any need from the known and existing worlds/all that exists.http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/003.%20Aale%20Imran/03.92--.htm