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Alif; Laam and Meem with ancillary glyph/prolongation sign

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    ayman
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    Peace Mazhar,

    May I know what you think the inconsistency is? And if you think there is insistency in the explanation by Lisan how can you attribute it to the language itself that it suffers from inconsistencies?

    Among other things, it is saying that "7arth" and "zar3" can have the same meaning while they are clearly used in the great reading to mean plants at different stages of the agriculture cycle.

    Some one could have said that the language is inconsistent because it applies the same Root for menses and quraan; but today we would have said that he was himself ignorant of the reality and fact.

    This is a wrong classification by Lisan Al-3arab. The term "QuR'AN" should be under QR'A not under QRW. There are many such classification errors in Lisan Al-3arab. Another example is its misclassification of Allat in 5319 under LTT as opposed to its correct classification under ALH, etc.

    And have given a thought to the fact that you are basically not aware of the Plant Kingdom and its classification that might be causing inconsitency in your perception? Qur'aan and Arabic Mubeen are not based on generalizations; both are specific and act as making everything specific and distinct. When you say Arabic suffers from inconsistences you in fact refute the "Grand Reading" which tells its language is Mubeen.

    You are spraying conjectural thoughts and opinions that contradict reality.

    Peace,

    Ayman

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      Mazhar
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      Some one could have said that the language is inconsistent because it applies the same Root for menses and quraan;
      but today we would have said that he was himself ignorant of the reality and fact.

      This is a wrong classification by Lisan Al-3arab. The term "QuR'AN" should be under QR'A not under QRW.

      Where did you find that Quran is under QRW? Both menses and quran is under qra, in Lane's lexicon. one meaning collection of blood and the other means collection of words; commonaility is that of collection, the basic perception of the Root.

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        ayman
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        Peace Mazhar,

        Where did you find that Quran is under QRW? Both menses and quran is under qra, in Lane's lexicon. one meaning collection of blood and the other means collection of words; commonaility is that of collection, the basic perception of the Root.

        Lisan Al-arab is wrong. Menses should be under QRA/QRW not under QR'A. The meaning of "collection of words" would make 7517 illogical since "its collection and its collection" is nonsense. On the other hand, / is a synonym of .

        I also noticed that you evaded addressing my other points. It seems that your idea about the valley where Abraham settled some of his descendants was nothing but conjecture.

        Peace,

        Ayman

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          Mazhar
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          I also noticed that you evaded addressing my other points. It seems that your idea about the valley where Abraham settled some of his descendants was nothing but conjecture.

          The valley he referred is the one where he said "your honourable bait is located" and that is what I know Mecca. I hope you agree and restrit yourself to the word "valley" and do not expand it whole of Arabia. Kaaba is located in the valley. That valley is not cultivated for crops even today. It is not conjecture but ground reality. This valley was not created for cultivation and agriculture; its purpose is defined and it only takes the visitors from outside it.

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            Peace Mazhar,

            The valley he referred is the one where he said "your honourable bait is located" and that is what I know Mecca.

            The great reading never says "your honourable bait is located in the valley of Mecca". You are spreading basless lies.

            Peace,

            Ayman

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              Mazhar
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              The valley he referred is the one where he said "your honourable bait is located" and that is what I know Mecca.

              The great reading never says "your honourable bait is located in the valley of Mecca". You are spreading basless lies.

              Do you refer to Grand Qur'aan by the words "great reading"? If so it is in it

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                ayman
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                Peace Mazhar,

                Do you refer to Grand Qur'aan by the words "great reading"? If so it is in it

                Here is what you said earlier

                The valley he referred is the one where he said "your honourable bait is located" and that is what I know Mecca.

                You are a liar because Mecca is not mentioned at all. If you are not a liar then please undeline for everyone the word Mecca here

                Peace,

                Ayman

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                  Peace Mazhar,

                  Here is what you said earlier

                  You are a liar because dear Mazhar Mecca is not mentioned at all. If you are not a liar then would you please undeline for everyone the word Mecca here

                  Peace,

                  Ayman

                  peace

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                    ayman
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                    peace

                    Peace Rasul Hamsa,

                    Thank you for correcting me.

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                      Mazhar
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                      Peace Mazhar,

                      Here is what you said earlier

                      You are a liar because Mecca is not mentioned at all. If you are not a liar then please undeline for everyone the word Mecca here

                      Peace,

                      Ayman

                      qualfies/indicates the valley where he made to reside one of his progeny. is a definite physically existing point/location. And I exclusively submit allegiance to the Sustainer Lord of this particular house, adhering to the command of my Sustainer Lord.

                      Therefore/for reason you people be subservient/allegiant to the Sustainer Lord of this House.

                      Any one who does not know this house and its location, he may be worshipping some lord but then that is not the Sustainer Lord of this House.

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                        ayman
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                        Peace Mazhar,

                        qualfies/indicates the valley where he made to reside one of his progeny. is a definite physically existing point/location. And I exclusively submit allegiance to the Sustainer Lord of this particular house, adhering to the command of my Sustainer Lord.

                        Therefore/for reason you people be subservient/allegiant to the Sustainer Lord of this House.

                        Please underline Mecca in the above. If you can't then have the decency to admit the indisputable fact that your argument that the house is in Mecca has no basis in the great reading.

                        Any one who does not know this house and its location, he may be worshipping some lord but then that is not the Sustainer Lord of this House.

                        Any one who does not know this inviolable house and its real clear physical location given in 2226, he may be worshipping some false stone cube in Mecca but then that is not the sustainer lord of the real inviolable house.

                        Peace,

                        Ayman

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                          Mazhar
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                          Any one who does not know this inviolable house and its real clear physical location given in 2226, he may be worshipping some false stone cube in Mecca but then that is not the sustainer lord of the real inviolable house.

                          Where is this particular location/plot of the house? Can you show me "clear physical location" on the map?

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                            ayman
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                            Peace Mazhar,

                            Where is this particular location/plot of the house? Can you show me "clear physical location" on the map?

                            The clear physcial loaction is given in 2226 in no uncertain terms and it is certainly not Mecca. Just read the rest of 2226 and don't snip it.

                            Peace,

                            Ayman

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                              Just to confirm, the real house is the ka'ba...right?

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                                Mazhar
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                                Peace Mazhar,

                                The clear physcial loaction is given in 2226 in no uncertain terms and it is certainly not Mecca. Just read the rest of 2226 and don't snip it.

                                Peace,

                                Ayman

                                Let us notsnip it

                                here is definite and certain. If it is not Mecca, then why are you reluctant to point it out where is it? Pl tell us which place is this?

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                                  ayman
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                                  Peace Meteora,

                                  Just to confirm, the real house is the ka'ba...right?

                                  The word "ka'ba" is not meaningless. So to know the answer you have to translate it.

                                  Peace,

                                  Ayman

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                                    Peace Meteora,

                                    The word "ka'ba" is not meaningless. So to know the answer you have to translate it.

                                    Peace,

                                    Ayman

                                    Peace
                                    There is no such word as "Ka3bah" in the Quran . It is Al - Ka3bah. It is a "Definite Noun" .I hope you know the significance of the "alif laam " in Arabic language.
                                    It is exactly like the difference between
                                    A democrate
                                    BThe Demorcrate

                                    Regards

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                                      ayman
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                                      Peace Mazhar,

                                      Let us notsnip it

                                      here is definite and certain. If it is not Mecca, then why are you reluctant to point it out where is it? Pl tell us which place is this?

                                      2226 points out exactly where it is. The location of the house is where those who maintain it do not setup any partners with the god and cleanse it from dirt, idols and falsehood.

                                      Since those who maintain the pagan stone cube in Mecca idolize the prophet, their clergy, the stone cube, a Black Stone, etc. etc. then their house is certainly not the god's house.

                                      Their pagan house is not clean but is full of filthy idols ranging from the stone cube to the black stone to footprints to magical water etc. etc. so it cannot be the god's house.

                                      So the question is who are you going to believe? Are you going to believe the god's clear instructions in 2226 or your forefathers and imagine that Mecca is mentioned in 2226?

                                      Once you believe in the god alone instead of in Mecca and its pagan idols then you will understand 2226.

                                      Peace,

                                      Ayman

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                                        ayman
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                                        Peace Q_student,

                                        There is no such word as "Ka3bah" in the Quran . It is Al - Ka3bah. It is a "Definite Noun" .I hope you know the significance of the "alif laam " in Arabic language.
                                        It is exactly like the difference between
                                        A democrate
                                        BThe Demorcrate

                                        Let me explain it in simple terms and slowly so that maybe you can understand. The definite article doesn't turn something from a common noun into a meaningless proper name in Arabic or in any language for that matter. For example
                                        A man
                                        B the man (doesn't magically become a proper name)

                                        Also, the word Democrat can be a proper name and "the democrat" can be a common noun.

                                        For example, in the following sentence "the democrat" is a common noun

                                        The democrat is a proponent of democracy.

                                        On the other hand, in the following sentence the word "Democrat" (without the definite article) is a proper name

                                        Bill Clinton is a Democrat.

                                        Peace,

                                        Ayman

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                                          Peace Q_student,

                                          Let me explain it in simple terms and slowly so that maybe you can understand. The definite article doesn't turn something from a common noun into a meaningless proper name in Arabic or in any language for that matter. For example
                                          A man
                                          B the man (doesn't magically become a proper name)

                                          Also, the word Democrat can be a proper name and "the democrat" can be a common noun.

                                          For example, in the following sentence "the democrat" is a common noun

                                          The democrat is a proponent of democracy.

                                          On the other hand, in the following sentence the word "Democrat" (without the definite article) is a proper name

                                          Bill Clinton is a Democrat.

                                          Peace,

                                          Ayman

                                          Peace
                                          This post shows that you do not know even the use and significance of "The".
                                          We are not talking about common nouns and Proper nouns.We are talking about Indefinite and Definite nouns.
                                          Try to learn the difference between them.
                                          Regards

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