IS THERE PHYSICAL SALAT IN THE QURAN?
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no, of course not. the quran talks about only mental salat and there is nothing as physical salat like some people conjure about.
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please don't confuse the guy even more.
physical part is of no importance, especially if one is an invalid and can't do it, how does he do physical? he can't, and he can't do iot mentally because therte is no such thing according to you... oh well. guess he doesn't have to do it then, yeah salat doesn't apply to that person, it's just for physically fit people. not for all humanity like it says, only for physically capable ones. yeah. ... gimme a break.
look at all ones doing hysical salat that brings them nothing, that hurts more then benefits...
(if you ask me, i'd say physical salat was invented by some fool who wanted people to waste time instead of doing what they're supposed to be doing, productive things for humanity (with that themselves))
of course it's a mental thing, it's the mental thing that drives us, it's the soul, that's what salat is for, to change the soul (for the better), and that's not done physically, it has been proven, even hadithist believe that, physical does nothing, it is just a gesture, and on many occasions an empty gesture because it did nothing for the soul.
but mental salat does just that, with mental salat person would show it in real life, it would lead to good, even for all humanity...
imagine for a minute that whole world did only physical salat, not mental one, where would that lead, as far as i've seen for myself (and was amazed at it's vanity), the world would look more like middle east... we'd be stuck, people would still be doing horrible things because it has not come to change within them.
now imagine whole world doing just mental salat, connecting with God, with it, as a result could only do good, as it prevents from evil and vice, and there would only be good things for all humanity...
new inventions for example, that don't destroy earth or us (use of solar and wind power...), cars, phones, internet, ... developing new technology for the benefit of humans...(and much more) it all comes from mental salat.
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What you have said only refletcs your wrong perception on Salat
same goes, by the way.
but can't you open your mind a little bit, consider it from all angles.
i did it, believe me, i did the physical one for years and nothing, no results, no benefit, i was same old selfish, lazy bum i always was... is that what God wants? i don't think so.
so i considered all possibilities, looked at other forms of salat and saw that mental one is better.ok for me at least. don't get me wrong, if you or anyone wants to do it physically that's ok, i just hope it's accompanied by mental of course. as long as it brings positive results. what else would be the point of salat, right?
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same goes, by the way.
but can't you open your mind a little bit, consider it from all angles.
i did it, believe me, i did the physical one for years and nothing, no results, no benefit, i was same old selfish, lazy bum i always was... is that what God wants? i don't think so.
so i considered all possibilities, looked at other forms of salat and saw that mental one is better.ok for me at least. don't get me wrong, if you or anyone wants to do it physically that's ok, i just hope it's accompanied by mental of course. as long as it brings positive results. what else would be the point of salat, right?
I thought that was what this site was all about Free-Minds = Open-Minds
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http//19.org/forum/index.php/t/7500/0/you are right, Thanks! handshake peace
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ok for me at least. don't get me wrong, if you or anyone wants to do it physically that's ok, i just hope it's accompanied by mental of course. as long as it brings positive results. what else would be the point of salat, right?
Yeah, I won't pray like a zombie (like hadhisists) without knowing the meaning and praying in arabic! I will pray with my own language!
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Good for you. God understands no matter what language.
My islam teacher at school once told me that arabic is the language spoken in heaven rotfl ...aparently muslims who read the quran (in arabic) will know it automatically when they go to heaven! rotfl x100
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I thought that was what this site was all about Free-Minds = Open-Minds
well yes )
Can you tell me more about mental salat? Do you mean meditation of some sort?
sure, meditation can be a form of salat, yes.
but it's something that affects you on the inside. i mean since it is about making a connection with God, it's the mental part which is important here, we are mental beings, not physical, this is just a vehicle for the soul, doesn't matter what color you paint the car, how you decorate it, if you park it here or there... the driver must be sober, you know what i mean. the soul must be clensed so it drives this body to good... it's our soul that will last forever, not the body, so what's the difference how one positions the body.so salat (mental) would be about us fixing our souls to be a certain way which will lead to positive/productive results in this world, which will make us emit a certain type of energy and vibrations, which by laws of attraction will make us recieve it back after we pass on and we'd automatically adjust to higher levels of vibrations... but we call it heaven.
and it can be done through meditation. not saying it's exclusive to it, there can be other ways of course. different things work for different people. we are not robots that we should all do only 1 thing, 1 form of salat, 1 way that works for all... no such thing.
Yeah, I won't pray like a zombie (like hadhisists) without knowing the meaning and praying in arabic! I will pray with my own language!
that's great to hear ) bravo
Good for you. God understands no matter what language.
My islam teacher at school once told me that arabic is the language spoken in heaven rotfl ...aparently muslims who read the quran (in arabic) will know it automatically when they go to heaven! rotfl x100
lol, unbelievable.
see that's what comes from not thinking, from just blindly accepting what they tell us, then you have people parroting things not knowing what they saying as if it's good...if only they knew that in a way... even we don't speak any languages, it's just a way for us to understand each other in this world (like somebody said in another thread)... talking (in any language) is just a way of expressing thoughts, if there was another way, we'd do it, like telepathy... and that's what God understands, our thoughts, no matter what sound comes out of our mouths.
so there can't be arabic (or any other) language there because we don't have mouths, we are only souls, energy, we speak through thoughts.
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Peace vivek
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http//19.org/forum/index.php/t/7500/0/I found the reasoning in your posts to be quite narrow in there scope. Your definitions of salat hung on very few verses. If you look at all occurrences of the concept in the quran, it becomes clear that salat is a much broader concept than the one you put forward & much broader than what is traditionally accepted.
There is no evidence in quran of the format we are traditionally taught, nor is there evidence of your concept of salat. While I agree that salat is to be done in the way taught by God, I don't see evidence of the incense burning theory, as it does not bring about a benefit to the society at large, which for me is a prerequisite in the establishment of salat.
Much of the confusion regarding salat stems from viewing everything in the quran being applicable all the time. People have argued that there is no abrogation in the quran & therefore none of the verses can be regarded as non applicable. I have found that different verses are applicable at different times in the development of a society. This applies to salat as well & resolves any "apparent" contradictions in the quran where the same concept is described with different instructions.
Imraan
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Peace Imraan,
Peace vivek
I found the reasoning in your posts to be quite narrow in there scope. Your definitions of salat hung on very few verses. If you look at all occurrences of the concept in the quran, it becomes clear that salat is a much broader concept than the one you put forward & much broader than what is traditionally accepted.
There is no evidence in quran of the format we are traditionally taught, nor is there evidence of your concept of salat. While I agree that salat is to be done in the way taught by God, I don't see evidence of the incense burning theory, as it does not bring about a benefit to the society at large, which for me is a prerequisite in the establishment of salat.
Much of the confusion regarding salat stems from viewing everything in the quran being applicable all the time. People have argued that there is no abrogation in the quran & therefore none of the verses can be regarded as non applicable. I have found that different verses are applicable at different times in the development of a society. This applies to salat as well & resolves any "apparent" contradictions in the quran where the same concept is described with different instructions.
Imraan
By God's grace and guidance, I have brought forth the truth about Salat. I can only show the path. It is upto you whether to tread on it or not. You can decide for yourself. Each of us are responsible for our own deeds.
Yours truly,
K.Vivekanandan
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Peace Munzir Ali,
Yeah, I won't pray like a zombie (like hadhisists) without knowing the meaning and praying in arabic! I will pray with my own language!
First of all, there is a clear difference between Dua(prayer/supplication) and Salat(ritual worship). In other words, both Dua and Salat are acts of worship but Salat differs from Dua in that it has to be done only in a specific manner ie performing certain rituals whereas prayer is only an act of supplicating to God and does not involve rituals.
Prayer can be done in mother tongues and must be done so if it has to make sense because it is only making supplication(requests) to God which can be done only in a known language.
But Salat involves certain rituals like reciting from the scripture and burning incense, oil, food items,etc as oblation to God(ignorant and blindly following so-called muslims do not accept this as they have been brought up to believe in a fake salat). So recital of the scriptures must be done only in the language of the scripture while performing Salat.
Yours truly,
K.Vivekanandan
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Peace Vivek
Peace Imraan,
By God's grace and guidance, I have brought forth the truth about Salat. I can only show the path. It is upto you whether to tread on it or not. You can decide for yourself. Each of us are responsible for our own deeds.
Yours truly,
K.Vivekanandan
You have not responded to my post adequately in my opinion. If you cannot do so, we'll leave it at that
Imraan
