8:50 and 47:27 - 1400 years of misinterpretation solved?

Mazhar

Walaw tara ith yatawaffa allatheena kafaroo almala-ikatu yadriboona wujoohahum wa adbarahum wa thooqoo AAathaba al hareeqi
= And if you could but see when the angels/controllers* are taking (unto themselves, i.e. at death) those who reject striking their faces/fronts and backs and (say) "taste the penalty of the fire."

Fakayfa itha tawaffathumu almalaikatu yadriboona wujoohahum wa adbarahum
= So/then how (will it be) when the angels/controllers* take them (unto themselves, i.e. in death) striking their faces/fronts and their backs?

Dear Wakas, salaam,

Consider these as the scene of the Day of Resurrection and these would become simple and clear. "tawaffathumu" is not death but to segregate, alienate the criminals from the crowd of people. Just watch some mob where Police is getting hold of wanted people and taking them out of the crowd.

herbman

proto-root initially means "move"

here are example with the same proto-root

flowed
soaked
escaped
approached
departed

hope it helps

Q_student

proto-root initially means "move"

here are example with the same proto-root

flowed
soaked
escaped
approached
departed

hope it helps

Peace
What about these

Regards

herbman

Peace Q_student ,

you are right non of your words has the meaning of moving, never mind you can find hundreds of words with RB but for DAD-RA-BA one of the meaning is "travel" which is confirmed by the proto-root.

Proto-roots are the ancestors of the roots and are bi-letters, it can sometimes help to find the meaning of a word but is not 100% effective as you demonstrated.

regards

Q_student

Peace Q_student ,

you are right non of your words has the meaning of moving, never mind you can find hundreds of words with RB but for DAD-RA-BA one of the meaning is "travel" which is confirmed by the proto-root.

Proto-roots are the ancestors of the roots and are bi-letters, it can sometimes help to find the meaning of a word but is not 100% effective as you demonstrated.

regards

Peace
Language is not based on self concocted concepts
Regards

herbman

Peace
Language is not based on self concocted concepts
Regards

it is not "a self concocted concepts".

Q_student

it is not "a self concocted concepts".

Peace
Classical arabic is an established and vast language.
Dharaba ( ) = travel
you need to prove through classical arabic work.
BTW what is meant by

According to you self concocted theory which meaning is drawn from this sentence /
regards

herbman

Peace Q_Student

I know where you coming from, so for you all the occurrences of in the Quran can only mean "to beat".

BTW this is the subject of the thread.

Q_student

Peace Q_Student

I know where you coming from, so for you all the occurrences of in the Quran can only mean "to beat".

BTW this is the subject of the thread.

Peace
"Beauty needs no ornaments "
I have given a sentence ,translate it according to travel (self concocted meaning) theory. Why are you reluctant to translate this sentence?

Regards

herbman

Peace
"Beauty needs no ornaments "
I have given a sentence ,translate it according to travel (self concocted meaning) theory. Why are you reluctant to translate this sentence?

Regards

I said yes in that context it means "to beat"
But it is only one of the meaning for and I said that the etymology of the word originally means "move" as by proto-root.

Now you show me in the following from the Quran also means "to beat"

peace

herbman

or I should have simply taken the example from 7320

In any case I don't understand what you are trying to prove here, the fact is the original meaning is "move" then words evolve to what ever meanings depending on context and situations.

peace

Q_student

I said yes in that context it means "to beat"
But it is only one of the meaning for and I said that the etymology of the word originally means "move" as by proto-root.

Now you show me in the following from the Quran also means "to beat"

peace

Peace
This is "Dharaba mathalan" . This is well known arabic phrase written and explained in very classical dictionary .
We are not talking about phrases /idioms of the this verb. We are talking about only about the verb "dharaba".
To break
To break out
To break the ice
All of the above have different meaning.
This is basic priniciple of the language.
"To beat" is the meaning of the word "dharaba". Look at the Lane's Lexicon.
It means you have to learn the difference between parent verb and its idiomatic expression and you are commenting on the language usages.
Regards

unknownuser

Peace everyone

how would we translate the following

peace

herbman

Peace
This is "Dharaba mathalan" . This is well known arabic phrase written and explained in very classical dictionary .
We are not talking about phrases /idioms of the this verb. We are talking about only about the verb "dharaba".
To break
To break out
To break the ice
All of the above have different meaning.
This is basic priniciple of the language.
"To beat" is the meaning of the word "dharaba". Look at the Lane's Lexicon.
It means you have to learn the difference between parent verb and its idiomatic expression and you are commenting on the language usages.
Regards

Salam, Peace,

No you are wrong "dharaba"= "To beat" is one of the meanings, see Lane's Lexicon.

Now let me explain you my point of view

let's take some of the meanings of "dharaba" from Al Quran (if you have more please provide), where we all agree

1-To beat
2-To travel
3-To explain or to expose

So I said the basic and guenuin meaning of "dharaba" is "move", so let's apply this to the 3 meanings we have

1-To beat= the basic process if you break up the action of beating is a "move" of an object from one place to another (F=m*a) see also the definition below
http//www.collinslanguage.com/results.aspx?context=3&reversed=False&action=define&homonym=-1&text=beat

2-To travel = to move frome one place to another

3- To explain, expose = to move, transpose a situation, idea into an image so you can undestand easily.
colins definition, explain to make something easily understandable, esp. by giving a clear and detailed account of it,

Let's continue and take other examples from the contempory usage

4- to multiply to transpose (move) one number several times

5- to stamp (money or whatever) to move an image into a media

wa salam

herbman

Peace
Language is not based on self concocted concepts
Regards

please click the link below

http//www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=arabic+proto-root

peace

Q_student

Salam, Peace,

1-To beat
2-To travel
3-To explain or to expose

wa salam

Peace
Here you are mistaken.
7320
It is not dharaba which means "travel " rather a full phrase i.e dharaba fil ardh.

1424
Again it is not simply dharaba ,rather dharaba mathalan. which means to narrate parable.

Regards

unknownuser

salaam brother

Peace

1424
Again it is not simply dharaba ,rather dharaba mathalan. which means to narrate parable.

Regards

what do you say about the following example

Peace everyone

how would we translate the following

peace

herbman

salaam brother

what do you say about the following example

Thanks Head of Hamza,

I didn't know about that one, I think QS is out of arguments now.
Can you please tell us what's is your understanding of it

Peace

Samia

Peace
Classical arabic is an established and vast language.
Dharaba ( ) = travel
you need to prove through classical arabic work.
BTW what is meant by

According to you self concocted theory which meaning is drawn from this sentence /
regards

Why do you add the adverb to your sentence?

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598471.msg206418#msg206418

To avoid such an answer?

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598471.msg206452#msg206452
laugh
You know without modifying this verb with intensity/tool/place to strike...etc you cannot translate it into (to beat). Even in colloquial, a question would follow how did he "beat" him? With what? Was it serious?...etc

Q_student

Why do you add the adverb to your sentence?

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598471.msg206418#msg206418

To avoid such an answer?

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598471.msg206452#msg206452
laugh
You know without modifying this verb with intensity/tool/place to strike...etc you cannot translate it into (to beat). Even in colloquial, a question would follow how did he "beat" him? With what? Was it serious?...etc

Peace
To know its meaning please consult Lane's lexicon.
To know its use please W.Wright English Grammar.
Your questions are fully elaborated in them.
regards