Did Jesus Christ have a father?

Alen

In traditional Christianity his father was God. In non-traditional Christianity his father was Joseph

Peace,
Respectfully.

This is what i find difficult regaridng the trinity and the Father being the father of messenger/prophet Jesus.
If The Father is The Father of Jesus, then how come at the same time, Jesus is god in the flesh? Is he then his own dad?
Furthermore, if Jesus is god in the flesh, then does that mean, that Jesus is not human but above-human, a nonterrestrial being? How can Mary the virgin (human) then give birth to a non-human?

No offence, just asking.
I've spoken to several Christians here regarding this and we are yet to find the solution to this.
Glory be to our God.
Peace.

TAJ

(359)

Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allh is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was.

Easa (Jesus) was not only fatherless but also motherless. Mariam (The Virgin Mary) was his surrogate mother. She received him in her womb already made. Her (egg) did not have a part in his making.

(1919)

He said, "I am but the messenger of your Lord to give you (as a gift) a pure boy."

Rev_John

Peace,
Respectfully.

This is what i find difficult regaridng the trinity and the Father being the father of messenger/prophet Jesus.
If The Father is The Father of Jesus, then how come at the same time, Jesus is god in the flesh? Is he then his own dad?
Furthermore, if Jesus is god in the flesh, then does that mean, that Jesus is not human but above-human, a nonterrestrial being? How can Mary the virgin (human) then give birth to a non-human?

No offence, just asking.
I've spoken to several Christians here regarding this and we are yet to find the solution to this.
Glory be to our God.
Peace.

Also, if Jesus was God, why would he go out into the desert to pray to himself?

ardee

Brothers and sisters, the answer is simple.

The Quran states in Surah Maryam the following And I quote several translations

Maryam 019020
She said, "How can I have a son when no man has ever touched me? For, never have I been a loose woman!" (346), (192.

Maryam 019021
He said "So (it will be) Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us' It is a matter (so) decreed."

He said So (it will be). Thy Lord saith It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained.

He said, 'Even so thy Lord has said "Easy is that for Me; and that We may appoint him a sign unto men and a mercy from Us; it is a thing decreed."'

He said Even so; your Lord says It is easy to Me and that We may make him a sign to men and a mercy from Us, and it is a matter which has been decreed.

He said, "This is true but your Lord says, "It is very easy for Me. We have decided to give you a son as evidence (of Our existence) for human beings and a mercy from Us. This is a decree already ordained."

He said, "Thus said your Lord, `It is easy for Me. We will render him a sign for the people, and mercy from us. This is a predestined matter.' "

He said "So (it will be), your Lord said That is easy for Me (Allah) And (We wish) to appoint him as a sign to mankind and a mercy from Us (Allah), and it is a matter (already) decreed, (by Allah). "

He said, "Thus ; your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter decreed.' "

The angel replied "So shall it be -Your Lord says `It is easy for Me. We wish to make him a Sign for mankind and a blessing from Us? - and this matter has already been decreed."

The angel answered, "Thus it is; but your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, so that We make him a symbol for people and a grace from Us. (A symbol of belief and disbelief, with the grace of Revelation). And it is a thing decreed." (346-47).

He said So (it will be). Thy Lord says It is easy to Me; and that We may make him a sign to men and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter decreed.

He said "It is such that your Lord has said, it is easy for Me. And We shall make him a sign for mankind and a mercy from Us. It is a matter already ordained."

Gabriel replied, so shall it be Thy Lord saith, this is easy with Me; and We will perform it, that We may ordain him for a sign unto men, and a mercy from Us For it is a thing which is decreed.

He said "So shall it be. Thy Lord hath said 'Easy is this with me;' and we will make him a sign to mankind, and a mercy from us. For it is a thing decreed."

answered "Thus it is; thy Sustainer says, `This is easy for Me;" and so that We might make him a symbol unto mankind and an act of grace from US.-16 And it was a thing decreed

All these translations show that the angle said that it will be!

Now ask ourselves the question, What will be?

What is meant that ?will be??

It clearly it means that this will happen!

So, we ask, what will happen?

Only two possibilities are there, viz, the lawful and the unlawful. No third possibility is indicated by the said verse.

Maryam said, "How can I have a son when no man has ever touched me? The angel replied "So shall it be", or ?So (it will be)?

What does "so it will be mean?

Answer, that indeed a man wil touch her lawfully as she was a woman who guarded her chasticy.

Clearly Maryam will marry a man and that man will ?touch? her.

Cn you see how simple it is?

A positive approach, because she was not a loose woman, as the Quran states as, "For, never have I been a loose woman!" (346), (192.

So simple, no unusual occurrence, no miracle at all.

MUNZIR_ALI

Also, if Jesus was God, why would he go out into the desert to pray to himself?

yes that is a good point!

Rev_John

yes that is a good point!

In the prayer that Jesus gave to his disciples, he says "Our Father" not "My Father"

MUNZIR_ALI

In the prayer that Jesus gave to his disciples, he says "Our Father" not "My Father"

rotfl that is yet another flaw. bravo good one! rotfl

Rev_John

rotfl that is yet another flaw. bravo good one! rotfl

In Judaism, especially in those days, God is referred to as the Father, or my Father or our Father by everyone, so Jesus calling the Temple "My Fathers house" would not be unusual for anyone to say.

Rev_John

Someone sent me this email - not very religious but funny.

Three Good Arguments ...

There are 3 good arguments that Jesus was Black

He called everyone "brother"
He liked Gospel
He couldn't get a fair trial.

But then there are 3 equally good arguments that
Jesus was Jewish

He went into His Father's business.
He lived at home until he was 33.
He was sure his Mother was a virgin and his mother thought he was God.

But then there are 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Italian

He talked with his hands.
He had wine with every meal.
He used olive oil.

But then there are 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was a Californian

He never cut his hair.
He walked around barefoot all the time.
He started a new religion.

But then there are 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Irish

He never got married.
He was always telling stories.
He loved green pastures.

But the most compelling evidence of all - 3 proofs that Jesus was a woman

He fed a crowd at a moment's notice when there was no food.
He kept trying to get a message across to a bunch of men who just didn't get it
And even when he was dead, He had to get up because there was more work to do.

MUNZIR_ALI

Someone sent me this email - not very religious but funny.

Three Good Arguments ...

There are 3 good arguments that Jesus was Black

He called everyone "brother"
He liked Gospel
He couldn't get a fair trial.

But then there are 3 equally good arguments that
Jesus was Jewish

He went into His Father's business.
He lived at home until he was 33.
He was sure his Mother was a virgin and his mother thought he was God.

But then there are 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Italian

He talked with his hands.
He had wine with every meal.
He used olive oil.

But then there are 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was a Californian

He never cut his hair.
He walked around barefoot all the time.
He started a new religion.

But then there are 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Irish

He never got married.
He was always telling stories.
He loved green pastures.

But the most compelling evidence of all - 3 proofs that Jesus was a woman

He fed a crowd at a moment's notice when there was no food.
He kept trying to get a message across to a bunch of men who just didn't get it
And even when he was dead, He had to get up because there was more work to do.

Its kinda funny. rotfl But I think ourborn again baptist will be angry. laugh

Alen

(359)

Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allh is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was.
Easa (Jesus) was not only fatherless but also motherless. Mariam (The Virgin Mary) was his surrogate mother. She received him in her womb already made. Her (egg) did not have a part in his making.
(1919)

He said, "I am but the messenger of your Lord to give you (as a gift) a pure boy."

Peace,
Respectfully.

You're forgetting one important verse, sister

4157 And their saying ?We have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of God!? And they had not murdered him, nor killed him by crucifixion, but it appeared to them as if they had. Those who dispute are in doubt of him, they have no knowledge except to follow conjecture; they did not kill him for a certainty.

Glory be to THE MOST Merciful.
Peace.

TAJ

Peace,
Respectfully.

You're forgetting one important verse, sister

4157 And their saying ?We have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of God!? And they had not murdered him, nor killed him by crucifixion, but it appeared to them as if they had. Those who dispute are in doubt of him, they have no knowledge except to follow conjecture; they did not kill him for a certainty.

Glory be to THE MOST Merciful.
Peace.

Thank you, Alen.
He was her son still, for the reason of being carried by her. She could have been his mother too even by only breastfeeding him. According to the Quran, one can be a son of any woman who would nurse/breastfeed him, let alone carry him in her womb. The physical and the emotional bond would be of course much greater and deserving of the title mother and child.

Rev_John

Its kinda funny. rotfl But I think ourborn again baptist will be angry. laugh

I'm sure she will call me lots of not nice things

TAJ

Peace Alen,

Prohibited to you are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother?s daughters, your sister's daughters, your mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your step-daughters under your guardianship of your wives unto whom you have gone in. But if you have not gone in unto them, there is no sin upon you. And the wives of your sons who are from your loins, and that you take two sisters simultaneously, except for what has already occurred. Indeed, Allh is ever Forgiving and Merciful. (423)

Jafar

Also, if Jesus was God, why would he go out into the desert to pray to himself?

Because people in the city will call him lunatic once they saw a guy praying to himself?
Jesus kinda bored with hectic city life?

What is the need of praying, if one praying to himself anyway?
I imagine how funny it is for someone to pray to himself..
Me, grant me my daily bread.
Me, forgive me of my wrongdoings.
Glory to Me for ever and ever, Amen.

THere also a figure of the Devil tempting Jesus in the desert..
Then the Devil was also God?
Thus it is a God tempting God to betray God?
Or
the Devil is one of God's creature..
Then it is God's creature tempting God to betray God?

It's a total logical mess...

Salam / Peace

Rev_John

Because people in the city will call him lunatic once they saw a guy praying to himself?
Jesus kinda bored with hectic city life?

What is the need of praying, if one praying to himself anyway?
I imagine how funny it is for someone to pray to himself..
Me, grant me my daily bread.
Me, forgive me of my wrongdoings.
Glory to Me for ever and ever, Amen.

THere also a figure of the Devil tempting Jesus in the desert..
Then the Devil was also God?
Thus it is a God tempting God to betray God?
Or
the Devil is one of God's creature..
Then it is God's creature tempting God to betray God?

It's a total logical mess...

Salam / Peace

I completely agree. Jesus was a man, a prophet, nothing else (and that coming from a Christian)