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3:142 Does God know the future?

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    Jack
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    That God needs to see evidence.

    e.g. 4729-31

    If we understand this without preconceptions, does God know the future? I am not sure.

    Peace

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      Abdun_Nur
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      Salaam RasulHamsa,

      you should read this essay, it explains the concept of infinite potential, and answers you question.

      http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/92/1/

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        Rev_John
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        That God needs to see evidence.

        e.g. 4729-31

        If we understand this without preconceptions, does God know the future? I am not sure.

        Peace

        I believe he does, because I believe God knows everything.

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          Shumali
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          God is the creator and master of time, so I think for God,he is above time restraints of Past, Present and Future. I think it is impossible us to ponder about how he uses time.

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            unknownuser
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            God is the creator and master of time, so I think for God,he is above time restraints of Past, Present and Future. I think it is impossible us to ponder about how he uses time.

            If God is above time restraints then what does He mean by this

            Allah has not yet known those who strive hard from among you ? doesn't it show that he uses the time in the same manner we do?

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              unknownuser
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              I believe he does, because I believe God knows everything.

              I/We/You/whoever believe doesn't make anything true.

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                unknownuser
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                Salaam RasulHamsa,

                you should read this essay, it explains the concept of infinite potential, and answers you question.

                http//servantofthelight.com/content/view/92/1/

                Peace Abdun Nur

                thanks for the link, yes I'll read it.

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                  Shumali
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                  3142

                  Do you think that you would enter Paradise without God distinguishing those among you who strive, and without distinguishing the steadfast?

                  Here is a different translation of the same Ayah from QXP, which conveys a different idea than yours.

                  In Message of Freeminders is also uses distinguishingh.
                  3142 Or did you think that you would enter the Paradise without
                  God distinguishing those who would strive among you and
                  distinguishing those who are patient

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                    unknownuser
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                    3142

                    Do you think that you would enter Paradise without God distinguishing those among you who strive, and without distinguishing the steadfast?

                    Here is a different translation of the same Ayah from QXP, which conveys a different idea than yours.

                    In Message of Freeminders is also uses distinguishingh.
                    3142 Or did you think that you would enter the Paradise without
                    God distinguishing those who would strive among you and
                    distinguishing those who are patient

                    yes, different but incorrect! ;D

                    If you really want to learn GOD's message stay away from QXP.

                    thanks

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                      Shumali
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                      Message also says the same,Allama Nooruddin , so does RK, so what is so different from QXP.
                      RK translation.
                      3142] Do you expect to enter Paradise without GOD distinguishing those among you who strive, and without distinguishing those who are steadfast?
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                        unknownuser
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                        Message also says the same,Allama Nooruddin , so does RK, so what is so different from QXP.
                        RK translation.
                        3142] Do you expect to enter Paradise without GOD distinguishing those among you who strive, and without distinguishing those who are steadfast?
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                        because they are afraid to say "God has not known yet"

                        but not afraid to translate it incorrectly.

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                          Samia
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                          This is just like saying can God be unfair?
                          When we think of God as "someone" who can and can't.
                          We do not, and cannot, know what God is
                          So let's just think of what His attributes are...

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                            slif
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                            I can't say for sure.

                            The English translations always come across a bit muddled for me.

                            Let me consult my alien sheik.

                            jedi

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                              Jack
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                              Doesn't 230 imply that God knows the future?

                              FM translation

                              And your Lord said to the angels "I am placing a successor on earth." They said "Would You place in it those who would corrupt in it, and spill blood, while we sing Your glory, and praise You?" He said "I know what you do not know."

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                                unknownuser
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                                Doesn't 230 imply that God knows the future?

                                FM translation

                                And your Lord said to the angels "I am placing a successor on earth." They said "Would You place in it those who would corrupt in it, and spill blood, while we sing Your glory, and praise You?" He said "I know what you do not know."

                                hi jack

                                not really it only shows God knows more than angels. but if you look at the history and current situation and read that verse again it would imply that angels knew our future better. ;D

                                we are living in a horrible world

                                Atom bombs 22311
                                Hydrogen bombs 3409

                                The message is PEACE!

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                                  Alen
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                                  http//www.submission.org/efarsi/arabic/Surat3_files/3_142.gif
                                  Do you think that you will enter the garden while Allah has not yet known those who strive hard from among you, and (He has not) known the patient.
                                  peace
                                  how do you understand the above verse?
                                  thanks

                                  Peace,
                                  Respectfully. handshake

                                  I think we need to strive hard and be patient and only then we'll enter The Garden, God willing, right? God lives outside Space-Time Continuum, right, so He The Most Wise already knows who will enter Heaven/HellFire.

                                  Peace. bravo

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                                    nerspi
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                                    If you really want to learn GOD's message stay away from QXP.

                                    why? what's wrong with it? who's to say YOU use the perfect translation.

                                    but actually, we CAN'T understand it as 'God not knowing it', because it would then contradict rest of quran. just like we can't understand 'kill them wherever you find them' as some excuse to kill nonbelievers, because it goes against other parts of quran.

                                    This is just like saying can God be unfair?
                                    When we think of God as "someone" who can and can't.
                                    We do not, and cannot, know what God is
                                    So let's just think of what His attributes are...

                                    exactly.

                                    now i KNOW that God knows everything, incliuding the future, although it doesn't mean HE brought those decisions. we just have to know what God is and how He is and/or operates.

                                    how i see it is, we make the future with our thoughts and intentions (for example, you may think of going somewhere tomorrow and when you decide that you almost already did it) but since we're not alone here, there's other people involved, their intentions get in the way, and there's lets say 5 different possibilities and the one most likely to happen stays... it's kinda mathmatical. and since God invented the system... of course He will be aware of it... will know all possibilities and see which one has most potential.

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