Qur'an as a constitution or an inspiration
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What's your opinion, can the Qur'an be a constitution, or can it only be an inspiration?
It can be both a constitution and an inspiration in my opinion.
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What's your opinion, can the Qur'an be a constitution, or can it only be an inspiration?
Why can't it be an "inspired constitution"?
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How about inspiring constitution?
That works too...
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Quran is not a constitution. A constition is a collection of legal articles agreed by a number of people. Quran is an uninterpreted text. People need to interpret it.
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Quran is not a constitution. A constition is a collection of legal articles agreed by a number of people. Quran is an uninterpreted text. People need to interpret it.
Are you sure about this? confused
Constitution The system of fundamental laws and principles that prescribes the nature, functions, and limits of a government or another institution.
Constitution The mode in which a state or society is organized; especially the manner in which sovereign power is distributed.
Constitution a the basic principles and laws of a nation, state, or social group that determine the powers and duties of the government and guarantee certain rights to the people in it b a written instrument embodying the rules of a political or social organization.
A constitution is a system of establishment; a decree, regulation, or custom. It does not have to include a collection of legal articles, and it does not necessarily need people to interpret it, especially if the principles outlined in it are clear (i.e. like in the Qur'aan). And it does not have to be agreed upon by a number of people; one person is often sufficient a developing a constitution, or system of practice.
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I speak of national constitutions.
In your definition above , principles of state and society is mentioned. Principles are filtered, distilled and above all interpreted. The Quran must be interpreted. A reader is required for that purpose.
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I speak of national constitutions.
In your definition above , principles of state and society is mentioned. Principles are filtered, distilled and above all interpreted. The Quran must be interpreted. A reader is required for that purpose.
Okay...? I don't understand why you said the Qur'an CAN'T be a "constitution". A constitution doesn't simply apply to nations, but it could apply to any group of people, or even to a single person...
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If it's for a single person, that's fine. But not for a group of people UNLESS they agree to an expression of Quran as a series of articles. Quran is an uninterpreted text, dhikr. It requires language and logic to be interpreted.
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If it's for a single person, that's fine. But not for a group of people UNLESS they agree to an expression of Quran as a series of articles. Quran is an uninterpreted text, dhikr. It requires language and logic to be interpreted.
This is the same as a constitution. Constitutions, in some cases, must also be interpreted through language and logic. Therefore, just as with the case of a national constitution, we're speaking about the Qur'aan being a constitution FOR THE BELIEVERS... What's wrong with this?
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This is the same as a constitution. Constitutions, in some cases, must also be interpreted through language and logic. Therefore, just as with the case of a national constitution, we're speaking about the Qur'aan being a constitution FOR THE BELIEVERS... What's wrong with this?
What's wrong is that you can get believers who think there are rituals in Quran, who quote Ahmedi websites to justify sunni opinion, who spent countless hours finding imaginary codes.
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What's wrong is that you can get believers who think there are rituals in Quran, who quote Ahmedi websites to justify sunni opinion, who spent countless hours finding imaginary codes.
And again, EVEN MORE FOOLISHNESS FROM YOU... It's pretty obvious to everyone reading this thread that you have no idea what the Qur'aanic commandments consist of, you don't know how the believers interpret the scripture, and you have no idea what a "constitution" is. I suggest you use a dictionary, along with a little common sense. Maybe you'll learn something...
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Dear brothers, please understand the difference. Alkitab= the bound book of principles, Dalika= eternally for. AlQur'Aan= The one I established. What is established by "I" or our Rubb? All universe, including us. We need to understand eternal principles given in AlKitab, first; to be able to easily understand AlQur'Aan, that is to say, all what is establised by our Rubb, including ourselves.
Badar
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Scriptures give only guidelines to establishing constitutions.
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And again, EVEN MORE FOOLISHNESS FROM YOU... ) It's pretty obvious to everyone reading this thread that you have no idea what the Qur'aanic commandments consist of, you don't know how the believers interpret the scripture, and you have no idea what a "constitution" is. I suggest you use a dictionary, along with a little common sense. Maybe you'll learn something...
Can you provide me evidence from the Quran (not Ahmediya, lahori or otherwise, websites) that the believers are meant to confer with each other for QURANIC INTERPRETATIONS and CREATION OF CONSTITUTIONS (the caps are necessary to ensure you don't stray from the point as usual).
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Dear brothers, please understand the difference. Alkitab= the bound book of principles, Dalika= eternally for. AlQur'Aan= The one I established. What is established by "I" or our Rubb? All universe, including us. We need to understand eternal principles given in AlKitab, first; to be able to easily understand AlQur'Aan, that is to say, all what is establised by our Rubb, including ourselves.
Badar
Badar, how'd u get your definitions. Dhalika means 'that'. Qur'an means 'recitation' or 'declaration'.
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Scriptures give only guidelines to establishing constitutions.
EXACTLY ! That's why Quran never says its a constitution of anything (arabic would be 'qanoon', a word not used in Quran). Rather its 'huda' or guidance and so we must constantly refer to it in whatever we do (including writing constitutions).
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A constitution is a statement outlining the basic laws or principles by which a country or organization or people are governed. It has a permanent and stable value for all outlining fundamental values to be adhered to by all. It is a code of conduct of a nation.
A part of Grand Qur'aan outlines and permanently prescribes the permanent values and code of conduct.
Hence Qur'aan has already given in writing what today we perceive from the word "Constitution".
And what we understand from "Qanoon" or "law" is a statement that prescribes and guides for everyday conduct of individuals of the nation and society as a whole. Conduct is in time and space, and time means day and night. Qur'aan calls it Huda and it is itself Al Huda, a Guide in time and space for shaping one's conduct in varying situations of time and space.
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What about the element of interpretation, Mazhar?
Who gets to be the interpreter?